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« on: January 14, 2007, 05:25:11 PM »
Just to put some of this into perspective.

RE info on Antartica.
http://www.vb-tech.co.za/Antartica/

FE info on Antartica.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/img/fig54.jpg

And FEers call this a sacred text.


This makes the case for FE so obvious!

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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2007, 05:42:33 PM »
Sacred Texts is where the book is hosted.  It is not sacred in the religious sence.  You can get it from Amazon.com if it makes you feel better.


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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2007, 05:53:19 PM »
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Sacred Texts is where the book is hosted.  It is not sacred in the religious sence.  You can get it from Amazon.com if it makes you feel better.


Which is a site listing, guess what..... sacred texts. So who exactly are Rowbotham's ramblings sacred to? REers?

Engineer once again your only source of debate is to pick out the most irrelevant part of a post because it happens to suit you.

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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2007, 06:10:05 PM »
Way to make a standing case against RE Engineer. You pick the most irrelevant parts, and make no forward movement to try and make any progress.

You fail.

Oh and look!  A picture of the conspirators base! AND NO ICE WALL! Wow... amazing.. I bet they are doctored as well, huh? :roll:

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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2007, 06:20:38 PM »
Hara, you've got a little bit of a man-crush on MMMM, don't you? So sweet! Or did you completely re-type his posts for shits and giggles?

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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2007, 06:44:39 PM »
I think we posted at the same time. It happens. That's why you see my posts change almost right after I submit them. I was just too lazy this time.

But if I had the chance, I'd rape MMMM for all their sexyness. <3

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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2007, 06:56:41 PM »
Quote from: "Rick_James"
Hara, you've got a little bit of a man-crush on MMMM, don't you? So sweet! Or did you completely re-type his posts for shits and giggles?


Once again, is this the only dribble you can come up with Rick?

Way to moderate the forum!

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Re: Antartica
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2007, 07:25:05 PM »
Quote from: "MMMM"
Just to put some of this into perspective.

RE info on Antartica.
http://www.vb-tech.co.za/Antartica/

FE info on Antartica.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/img/fig54.jpg

And FEers call this a sacred text.


This makes the case for FE so obvious!


Your RE info on Antartica (sic) is hardly a credible source. For starters they can't even spell Antarctica correctly in the url. Furthermore the majority of information they provide is completely un-sourced and could easily be made up.

This claim that there's a photo of someone in Antarctica that doesn't show the ice wall is significant evidence that there is no ice wall lacks substance. If you consider the FE theory that Antarctica actually in effect runs all the way around the rim of the earth, then it's pretty clear that in such a model Antarctica is significantly bigger than the RE model. Therefore, the fact that there isn't an ice wall in that particular picture in no way at all proves that there is no ice wall.

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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2007, 07:28:12 PM »
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Once again, is this the only dribble you can come up with Rick?

Way to moderate the forum!

Well, I mean, it wasn't really spam or anything was it M?  I mean, if you want, we could just delete the post...otherwise I see no reason it would need moderating...

Quote from: "Hara Taiki"
I think we posted at the same time

Errrr...unless it took you 17 minutes to type that out, I somehow doubt that's what happened...

What, exactly, is your problem with the FE model of antarctica anyhow M?  Is it just the lack of evidence?  Christ, just go whine about the conspiracy then; it won't be more productive, but it'll make you easier to ignore.

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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2007, 07:38:10 PM »
The time and content of my post is irrelevant to the subject.

Not like you will actually understand, but the FE model of Antarctica would most definitely not equal the RE version. The surface area would be far greater, since when applying the RE version to fit the FE model requires distorting the land mass to wrap around a disc who's edge is the equivalent to the southern pole on the RE model.

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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2007, 07:43:23 PM »
Wait...you're saying that a flat earth would be physically different from an earth that is a sphere?

You mean the properties of a disk and that of a sphere are not the same?

Say it ain't so!

No one is contending that a flat earth and a round earth have the same physical properties, in fact, if they did, this debate would not be happening.

Hey, looks like I did understand after all, didn't I?

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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2007, 08:47:28 PM »
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Once again, is this the only dribble you can come up with Rick?

Way to moderate the forum!

Well, I mean, it wasn't really spam or anything was it M?  I mean, if you want, we could just delete the post...otherwise I see no reason it would need moderating...

Sigh...
The comment was relating directly to Rick & the fact that a moderator would make comments like this.

"Hara, you've got a little bit of a man-crush on MMMM, don't you? So sweet! Or did you completely re-type his posts for shits and giggles?"

Or is it a moderator's job on this forum to goad people with childish school boy insults?

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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2007, 08:57:51 PM »
What, exactly, is your problem with the FE model of antarctica anyhow M?  Is it just the lack of evidence?  Christ, just go whine about the conspiracy then; it won't be more productive, but it'll make you easier to ignore.[/quote]

A bit touchy aren't we?

Oh, that wonderful conspiracy. The haven of the fool who thinks this is evidence.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/img/fig54.jpg

Antartica
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2007, 12:22:55 AM »
Who thinks that is evidence? I very much doubt anyone here does.

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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2007, 12:31:03 AM »
Of course nobody thinks that's evidence.  You'd have to be a moron to think that anybody thinks an illustration is evidence for something.  That's a picture of what the world probably looks like.  It's not trying to prove anything.

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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2007, 01:17:25 AM »
Quote from: "beast"
Of course nobody thinks that's evidence.  You'd have to be a moron to think that anybody thinks an illustration is evidence for something.  That's a picture of what the world probably looks like.  It's not trying to prove anything.

Quote texta Who thinks that is evidence? I very much doubt anyone here does.

Yep, you're absolutely correct! It's not even close to being evidence. It is however the only thing you FEers keep pushing, trying to argue your case.
Are you guys sitting on some real evidence?
Please share with us if you do.

Antartica
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2007, 01:22:18 AM »
No one is pushing that picture as evidence.

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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2007, 01:43:08 AM »
Quote from: "MMMM"
Quote from: "beast"
Of course nobody thinks that's evidence.  You'd have to be a moron to think that anybody thinks an illustration is evidence for something.  That's a picture of what the world probably looks like.  It's not trying to prove anything.

Quote texta Who thinks that is evidence? I very much doubt anyone here does.

Yep, you're absolutely correct! It's not even close to being evidence. It is however the only thing you FEers keep pushing, trying to argue your case.
Are you guys sitting on some real evidence?
Please share with us if you do.


What are you talking about?  Give an example of a flat Earther claiming that that picture is evidence.  You can't because it's never happened and you're just making up lies.  What's the point of arguing a point if you just make things up?

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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2007, 02:56:38 AM »
Quote from: "beast"
What are you talking about?  Give an example of a flat Earther claiming that that picture is evidence.  You can't because it's never happened and you're just making up lies.  What's the point of arguing a point if you just make things up?


Here's evidence of a Flat Earther using a picture as evidence.

Quote from: "Tom Bishop"
Fine, I'll provide photographic evidence then.

Here is proof for a flat earth in the form of an untouched photograph:
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8439/horizonik8.jpg


Enough with the baseless arguing already.

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Re: Antartica
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2007, 04:16:34 AM »
Quote from: "MMMM"

FE info on Antartica.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/img/fig54.jpg


You hardly demonstrate the extent of FE discourse on Antarctica by linking this image.

Quote from: "Earth Not A Globe"
"In the geological structure of extreme northern regions, the sedimentary strata are abundant and of vast extent; while the constitution of Antarctic strata seems, on the contrary, as far as yet examined, entirely igneous."

The whole terminates in fog and darkness, where snow and driving hail, piercing sleet and boisterous winds, howling storms, madly-mounting waves, and clashing icebergs, are almost constant.

"The waves rise like mountains in height; ships are heaved up to the clouds, and apparently precipitated by circling whirlpools to the bed of the ocean. The winds are piercing cold, and so boisterous that the pilot's voice can seldom be heard, whilst a dismal and almost continual darkness adds greatly to the danger."

"The sea quickly rising to a fearful height, breaking over the loftiest bergs. . . . Our ships were involved in an ocean of rolling fragments of ice, hard as floating rocks of granite, which were dashed against them by the waves with so much violence that their masts quivered as if they would fall at every successive blow. The rudders were destroyed, and nearly torn away from the stern-posts. . . . Hour passed away after hour, without the least mitigation of the awful circumstances in which we were placed. . . . The loud crashing noise of the straining and working of the timbers and decks, as she was driven against some of the heavier pieces, was sufficient to fill the stoutest heart with dismay. . . . Our ships still rolling and groaning amidst the heavy fragments of crushing bergs, over which the ocean rolled its mountainous waves, throwing huge masses one upon another, and then again burying them deep beneath its foaming waters, dashing and grinding them together with fearful violence. The awful grandeur of such a scene can neither be imagined nor described, far less can the feelings of those who witnessed it be understood. . . . The ships were so close together that when the 'Terror' rose to the top of one wave, the 'Erebus' was on the top of that next to leeward of her; the deep chasm between them filled with heavy rolling masses; and as the ships descended into the hollow between the waves, the main-top-sail-yard of each could be seen just level with the crest of the intervening wave from the deck of the other. Night cast its gloomy mantle over the scene, rendering our condition, if possible, more hopeless and helpless than before."

The cold was severe, and every spray that touched the ship was immediately converted into ice. . . . The gale was awful. . . . A seaman, in endeavouring to execute the order to furl, got on the lee yard-arm, remained there some time, and was almost frozen to death. Several of the best seamen were completely exhausted with cold, fatigue, and excitement, and were sent below. . . . All was now still, except the distant roar of the wild storm that was raging behind, before, and above us; the sea was in great agitation, and both officers and men were in the highest degree excited."

So great had been the sufferings of the crew, that the ward-room officers joined the medical officers in petitioning the commander of the expedition not to continue the voyage on account of the "extreme hardships and exposure they had undergone during the last gales of wind."

"The general health of the crew is decidedly affected. . . . We feel ourselves obliged to report that, in our opinion, a few days more of such exposure as they have already undergone would reduce the number of the crew by sickness to such an extent as to hazard the safety of the ship and the lives of all on board."

How far in the gloom and darkness of the south this wilderness of storm and battling elements extends there is at present no evidence. All we can say is that man, with all his mightiest daring and power of endurance, has only succeeded in reaching the threshold of this restless, dark, and forbidding region of the material world.

The earth rests upon and within the waters of the "great deep." It is a vast "floating island," buoyed up by the waters, and held in its place by long "spurs" of land shooting into the icy barriers of the southern circumference. Geological researches demonstrate that it was originally a stratified structure, definite and regular in form and extent, and that all the confused and irregular formations observable in almost every part have resulted from internal convulsions.

Chemical analysis proves to us the important fact that the great bulk of the earth--meaning thereby the land, as distinct from the waters--is composed of metallic oxides, or metals in combination with oxygen, and also with sulphur, chlorine, carbon, and other elements. When means are taken to remove the oxygen, it is found that many of these metallic bases are highly combustible.. Experiments with electric and other subtle powers of Nature, render it obvious that all the elements of the earth were originally in a state of gaseous solution, or dissolved in the great menstruum of the material world--electricity. That by a sudden abstraction of this great and universal solvent, the elements were liberated; and owing to the different affinities and relative densities which had been attached to them, combination, precipitation, stratification, crystallization, and concretion, successively occurred, giving rise to all the rocks, minerals, ores, deposits, and strata, which now constitute the material habitable world. That by the action of unconcrete or gaseous unprecipitated elements, and free electric and actinic forces upon pre-existing germs, all the numerous forms of animal and vegetable life were brought into being, and are now maintained.

However great such operations may seem to the mind of present man, all the vast structure of the physical world, and its innumerable myriads of organic beings, were the work of only a few hours. It is easily demonstrable that so rapid and intense were the processes and chemical changes, that a few days--such as we now understand by the word--were ample time to bring out of invisible, imponderable chaos, all the tangible and varied elements which now exist, and to develope every possible form of beauty and elegance, and every condition of happiness and wisdom. All opinions to the contrary which are held by philosophers of the present day, are the result of insufficient perception of the whole subject, which insufficient perception is again the result of self-imposed hypotheses, which bias the judgment and confuse the understanding. No man, however learned and accomplished he may be, is able to understand the simple processes of creative effort unless he is himself a simple and humble observer of phenomena, free from the prejudices of education, and anxious only for a knowledge of the truth as it exists in reality, and not in desire and imagination...


Etc., etc., etc.

What's more: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2739&highlight=antarctica

A 17 page thread on Antarctica in which many aspects are thoroughly discussed by Flat Earthers.
"For your own sake, as well as for that of our beloved country, be bold and firm against error and evil of every kind." - David Wardlaw Scott, Terra Firma 1901

Re: Antartica
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2007, 04:23:12 AM »
Quote from: "Dogplatter"
The whole terminates in fog and darkness, where snow and driving hail, piercing sleet and boisterous winds, howling storms, madly-mounting waves, and clashing icebergs, are almost constant.

"The waves rise like mountains in height; ships are heaved up to the clouds, and apparently precipitated by circling whirlpools to the bed of the ocean. The winds are piercing cold, and so boisterous that the pilot's voice can seldom be heard, whilst a dismal and almost continual darkness adds greatly to the danger."

Etc., etc., etc.

I hope you're not using this anecdote as some sort of backup for the FE Antarctica argument. While being a nice story, it doesn't prove or disprove anything remotely related to an FE theory of an Ice Wall, its guards or a conspiracy. It's just irrelevant drivel.

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Re: Antartica
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2007, 04:30:10 AM »
Quote from: "FastEddy"

I hope you're not using this anecdote as some sort of backup for the FE Antarctica argument. While being a nice story, it doesn't prove or disprove anything remotely related to an FE theory of an Ice Wall, its guards or a conspiracy. It's just irrelevant drivel.


My post wasn't trying specifically to prove anything, I was just trying to demonstrate that the Flat Earth community have a lot more to go on about Antarctica. The OP seemed to be trying to suggest that all we had was a small hand-drawn map of the world.
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Re: Antartica
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2007, 03:13:27 PM »
Quote from: "Dogplatter"
Quote from: "FastEddy"

I hope you're not using this anecdote as some sort of backup for the FE Antarctica argument. While being a nice story, it doesn't prove or disprove anything remotely related to an FE theory of an Ice Wall, its guards or a conspiracy. It's just irrelevant drivel.


My post wasn't trying specifically to prove anything, I was just trying to demonstrate that the Flat Earth community have a lot more to go on about Antarctica. The OP seemed to be trying to suggest that all we had was a small hand-drawn map of the world.



Like this?

quote="Dogplatter "Penguins were actually created in the 1960's by Russian scientists who combined the DNA of otters and birds.
The presence of penguins around the ice wall is actually a clever means of providing a reliable food source for conspiracy staff stationed there.

Penguins were deliberately engineered to be very easy to catch (hence their lack of flight), but also to be extremely efficient at catching and eating fish. It is economically easier for conspiracy ice-wall guards to have penguins indirectly harvest fish for them, then shoot or trap the fish-filled penguins with ease.

In answer to your other question - yes, March of the Penguins was filmed in a studio. Those penguins were probably animatronic replicas though, because the government can't afford to use large numbers of penguins except for feeding ice-wall guards".

Thank you Dogplatter, you've just proved my point better than I ever could.

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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2007, 03:51:26 PM »
That was lame MMMM, irrelevant, and made you look stupider than Doplatter by far.

Antartica
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2007, 03:51:49 PM »
"The last known group of Flat Earth proponents, the Flat Earth Society, kept the concept alive and at one time claimed a few thousand followers. The society declined in the 1990s following a fire at its headquarters in California and the death of its last president, Charles K. Johnson, in 2001.[40] In 2004, a new Flat Earth Society (not directly connected to Charles K. Johnson's) was founded and currently maintains the Flat Earth Society website and forum"- Wikipedia

i find this very funny. this goes to show that FE'rs are declining in numbers and that they have no credible scientists or funding. They rely on an internet forum where people can say whatever they want. Is this profesional? is this credible? i dont think so. I find it a joke. get off your computer desks and do something about it. Look at martin luther king. he didnt sit around. he took action for what he believed in. you people just mope around an internet forum. Thats productive. if the people involved in the conspiracy are bad guys, then you must be the good guys. but you dont do anything about it. If your not a part of the solution then you ARE the problem.
s the earth really flat?
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, maybe go fcuk yourself.

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« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2007, 03:55:09 PM »
Actually, Daniel is working quite hard on reforming the society. You will probably see some major changes this year.

Try not to ridicule people because their numbers are declining, it's quite lame.

Antartica
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2007, 03:59:21 PM »
let me ask you a question, since you have such a honorble position at this prestigious forum....... if you had the oppurtunity to murder every single conspirator with disregaurd to their famiies, would you do it? they are terrible  
people who are lieing to us. they are cruel human beings.. correct?
s the earth really flat?
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, maybe go fcuk yourself.

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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2007, 04:13:05 PM »
Quote from: "gogeta2478"
let me ask you a question, since you have such a honorble position at this prestigious forum....... if you had the oppurtunity to murder every single conspirator with disregaurd to their famiies, would you do it? they are terrible  
people who are lieing to us. they are cruel human beings.. correct?


That depends on how offended you'd be at having the shape of the Eath misrepresented to you. Personally, I would be more amused than enraged.

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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2007, 05:21:43 PM »
Quote from: "Rick_James"
That was lame MMMM, irrelevant, and made you look stupider than Doplatter by far.


Why's that irrelevant? It was in direct relation to his claim that the thread this was taken from had some useful information on Antarctica.
If you're telling me that you feel that this information is as flawed as REers think it is, then you have just supplied a damning character reference of Dogplatter!
Another question. (Not necessarily for you Rick as, even though you keep butting in, you keep claiming you're not debating.)
Why are there so many (non government) neutral sites (ie not claiming to be FE or RE) that just happen to support an RE Antarctica (or the world for that matter, but lets just stick to Antarctica) but I've yet find one that just happens to support FE?

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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2007, 05:31:17 PM »
You were talking about antarctica, you quoted Doplatter's theory on penguins. Stop trying to be cute.