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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #1500 on: August 07, 2024, 07:34:42 AM »
Just a thought, maybe he is trying to explain to you the real reasons why the court gave a smaller sentence than usual, rather than it being explained by whatever explanation is floating in Kevin Sorbo's misty mind, and not trying to tell you rape is good. Just a thought.
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« Reply #1501 on: August 07, 2024, 07:36:04 AM »
I don't think community service is a good enough punishment for rape, and being part of a rape gang. We can agree to disagree.

It's fine.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #1502 on: August 07, 2024, 07:43:56 AM »
I don't think community service is a good enough punishment for rape, and being part of a rape gang. We can agree to disagree.

It's fine.

Perhaps it's not, even if you are a minor, like he was. But PERHAPS you can see that MAYBE the fact that he was 15 years old, and following older pricks who led the gang, had to do with the fact that he got a suspended sentence instead of the 13 and 18 years the leaders got, and not some kind of conspiracy.
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« Reply #1503 on: August 07, 2024, 07:45:06 AM »

Again, lies and twisting, even including a quote from me that you altered.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #1504 on: August 07, 2024, 07:54:02 AM »
I don't think community service is a good enough punishment for rape, and being part of a rape gang. We can agree to disagree.

It's fine.

Perhaps it's not, even if you are a minor, like he was. But PERHAPS

Yeah, agree to disagree.

Again, lies and twisting, even including a quote from me that you altered.

I didn't alter your quote, you said the rapist, the member of the rape gang, got a suspended sentence, for rape.

Right?
Right.

We can agree to disagree.
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« Last Edit: August 07, 2024, 07:55:46 AM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #1505 on: August 07, 2024, 02:49:49 PM »
The reason people are rioting, is because they don't feel like the people who rule over them listen to them, or care about them.

Elon is right that the UK government needs to address the legitimate grievances the UK people have, instead of calling them names.



Anyone who isn't blinded by ideology can admit this isn't fair. Also when Unilever, is boycotting Elon Musk, you can't exactly claim that he's on the side of the rich and powerful, at least in regards to this.

Musk and Sorbo need to understand that’s what happening in the UK right now is a bunch of thugs attacking mosques, asylum centers, immigration advice offices, lawyer’s offices, hotels, etc.  They have tried to burn down buildings with innocent people in them.

They aren’t attacking rapists, they are indiscriminately going after any Muslims, asylum seekers, immigrants and people who work with them.  These are racist attacks, and there’s no excuse for them at all.  This is being organised online and all started as a result of disinformation being spread that a recent stabbing was by an asylum seeker.

Everyone has different grievances, but indiscriminate violence is not how to deal with them.

Normal decent people with large internet followings would take the opportunity to call for an end to the violence, or at least just STFU, not continue to fan the flames.

So far today it looks like large counter protests at the targets  have dissuaded the arseholes in a lot of places, but not sure what will happen when they all go home.

PS.  I’d be willing to bet that there’s a lot more to the guy in the middle than selling stickers to warrant 2 years jail time.

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« Reply #1506 on: August 07, 2024, 03:24:05 PM »
PS.  I’d be willing to bet that there’s a lot more to the guy in the middle than selling stickers to warrant 2 years jail time.
Well not sure how reliable, but there is this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-68448867

It seems Samuel Melia was jailed for "inciting racial hatred".

Meanwhile, Mohamed Bakari Shei, a different person to the one pictured, was given 180 days for repeatedly raping a 4 year old and a 9 year old, while they (the offender) were 15 and 16.

For the rape gang, including the person pictured, they were jailed for 18 years, 13 years, 5.5 years, and 180 hours of community service. It appears 3 came from Syria and 1 from Kuwait https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/bid-vile-newcastle-grooming-gang-29303167

I would say when repeatedly raping someone can get you only roughly 3 times the sentence for making racist stickers, there is a serious issue.

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« Reply #1507 on: August 07, 2024, 04:25:11 PM »
PS.  I’d be willing to bet that there’s a lot more to the guy in the middle than selling stickers to warrant 2 years jail time.
Well not sure how reliable, but there is this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-68448867

It seems Samuel Melia was jailed for "inciting racial hatred".

Meanwhile, Mohamed Bakari Shei, a different person to the one pictured, was given 180 days for repeatedly raping a 4 year old and a 9 year old, while they (the offender) were 15 and 16.

For the rape gang, including the person pictured, they were jailed for 18 years, 13 years, 5.5 years, and 180 hours of community service. It appears 3 came from Syria and 1 from Kuwait https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/bid-vile-newcastle-grooming-gang-29303167

I would say when repeatedly raping someone can get you only roughly 3 times the sentence for making racist stickers, there is a serious issue.

The serious issue we have right now is a bunch of fucking Nazis on the rampage, smashing shit up and trying to burn down buildings with innocent people in them.  This is where people inciting racial hatred gets us.

Of course neither Sorbo nor Musk established that any of those sentences were due to their respective races instead of whatever other factors the judges thought were relevant.

All they are doing is making excuses for the far right morons currently trying to terrorize innocent people and tear communities apart.  Fuck them and their racist dog whistles.


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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #1508 on: August 07, 2024, 08:58:33 PM »
I don't support the riots.
I didn't support the BLM riots either, which you all refused to condemn. Crouton, Jura. I condemn the riots in England.

I'm just saying, calling people names is just going to raise the tensions even more and give more credence to the accusations of two tier justice.

Arrest the people who smashed and burned things, of course you should. However pretending that only Nazis have a problem with Britain's immigration rate is only going to make people hate the government more. It will only cause more unrest. We need more speech not less. Otherwise a civil war will be inevitable.

I was reading an article that quite literally said that England has to stop people from being able to say what they want. Controlling and punishing speech is a Nazi policy, much more than smashing windows and burning things.

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I would say when repeatedly raping someone can get you only roughly 3 times the sentence for making racist stickers, there is a serious issue.

Thanks Jack that's a very reasonable point.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2024, 09:01:22 PM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #1509 on: August 08, 2024, 02:08:12 AM »
The serious issue we have right now is a bunch of fucking Nazis on the rampage, smashing shit up and trying to burn down buildings with innocent people in them.  This is where people inciting racial hatred gets us.
Is that what "inciting racial hatred" gets you? Or is that merely also caused by the same things?

Of course neither Sorbo nor Musk established that any of those sentences were due to their respective races instead of whatever other factors the judges thought were relevant.

All they are doing is making excuses for the far right morons currently trying to terrorize innocent people and tear communities apart.  Fuck them and their racist dog whistles.
Are they even implying race is involved?
Or are they just pointing out the insanity of someone receiving a worse sentence for what would be considered protected free speech in the US, than literal rapists?
I don't give a damn that the people saying racist crap are white. I don't care that the rapist was from Kuwait.
I could make the same comment about Sean Hogg, a white guy who was convicted of rape and given a sentence of 270 hours community service.

This is still seriously fucked up. Someone saying racist things should not be thrown in jail, at all, ever. Especially not when literal rapists get off with community service.

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #1510 on: August 08, 2024, 02:55:48 AM »
I’m sure Sorbo is deeply worried about the UK’s justice system.

On this, if an immature 15yr old in thrall to a rape gang can be turned away from crime by a suspended sentence and community service, I think that is a win, the rapists were jailed.
On free speech, we don’t have it as we have anti-hate laws, because Europe has seen what unfettered hate speech leads too, and I’m ok with that, this forum is ok with that for good reason. 
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« Reply #1511 on: August 08, 2024, 04:43:50 AM »
I’m sure Sorbo is deeply worried about the UK’s justice system.

On this, if an immature 15yr old in thrall to a rape gang can be turned away from crime by a suspended sentence and community service, I think that is a win, the rapists were jailed.
On free speech, we don’t have it as we have anti-hate laws, because Europe has seen what unfettered hate speech leads too, and I’m ok with that, this forum is ok with that for good reason.
A 15 year old who was an active participant in a rape gang.
They are a rapist, and they were not jailed.

Europe has seen what heavily controlled speech leads to. One would think they would have grown from that, but they appear to fully support silencing those the disagree with and threatening dissent with jail.
Hate speech laws wouldn't have stopped Nazi Germany, as they would be repealed.
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« Reply #1512 on: August 08, 2024, 05:54:53 AM »

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« Reply #1513 on: August 08, 2024, 06:16:16 AM »
The serious issue we have right now is a bunch of fucking Nazis on the rampage, smashing shit up and trying to burn down buildings with innocent people in them.  This is where people inciting racial hatred gets us.
Is that what "inciting racial hatred" gets you? Or is that merely also caused by the same things?

Inciting racial hatred is what turns legitimate concerns about inequality and the number of immigrants into, once again, MOBS TRYING TO BURN DOWN BUILDINGS WITH INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THEM.

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Of course neither Sorbo nor Musk established that any of those sentences were due to their respective races instead of whatever other factors the judges thought were relevant.

All they are doing is making excuses for the far right morons currently trying to terrorize innocent people and tear communities apart.  Fuck them and their racist dog whistles.
Are they even implying race is involved?
Or are they just pointing out the insanity of someone receiving a worse sentence for what would be considered protected free speech in the US, than literal rapists?
I don't give a damn that the people saying racist crap are white. I don't care that the rapist was from Kuwait.
I could make the same comment about Sean Hogg, a white guy who was convicted of rape and given a sentence of 270 hours community service.

This is still seriously fucked up. Someone saying racist things should not be thrown in jail, at all, ever. Especially not when literal rapists get off with community service.

OMG.  Yes, Jack.  It’s about race/islamophobia.

That’s why Sorbo cherry picked seemingly harsh sentences for white men and a seemingly lenient one for a Muslim.  That’s why both of the examples of white men were about racism.  That’s why he suddenly takes an interest in the justice system of another country, while there are racially motivated riots happening.  That’s why he titled the post “This is what’s happening in the UK right now”.  It’s why Musk has also been spreading the myth of “Two tier policing” (note: racial tiers).

Aren’t you always going on about context? This is the context.

Sorbo and Musk are fanning the flames and making excuses for racially motivated violence.  They have absolutely no idea what it’s like to be poor in a disadvantaged part of the UK with high levels of immigration or large Muslim communities.  They are a fucking disgrace.

If either of them ever post to compare an apparently lenient sentence for a white rapist with tough sentences handed out to people inciting Islamist violence, I’ll eat my hat.  Would you like put some money on that one or are you just playing dumb?

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #1514 on: August 08, 2024, 06:57:00 AM »
UK people, I don't live in the UK and often rely on the women's group (which has lots of women from different countries) I belong to for news about the happenings over there. I did follow some of the grooming gang stuff a couple years ago. I'm pretty sure there were coverups, and failures to protect the girls. I remember something about at least one of your police forces not wanting to seem "Islamophobic".

I was just scrolling twitter and this thread appeared https://x.com/CompositeGuy_/status/1747687516751167981  and I wonder how accurate it is. If you don't have twitter, you can read it here https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1747687516751167981.html
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« Reply #1515 on: August 08, 2024, 07:07:02 AM »

I don’t have twitter, but it was a systematic fuck up, where people seemed afraid of going after people because of racism and a general failure to protect the vulnerable.
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« Reply #1516 on: August 08, 2024, 07:29:43 AM »
My next question is - is this systematic fuck up partly to blame for the riots? I'm not excusing what they are doing, I don't think it's cool to burn shit down, or hurt people, or anything like that. What I am wondering is if this has been festering, and it is now boiling over? Even though there have been investigations and arrests, do the people feel like enough has been done?
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« Reply #1517 on: August 08, 2024, 08:07:38 AM »

No, it’s a convenience.

It was a massive shock when this all came out, but it has been dragged out ever since as absolute proof that immigration has only these kinds of results and of course the dilution of the white race by the D1’s of the world.
The UK, at least where I live is a mixture, a majority who get along and those who through fear or hatred don’t.
Of course, there are problems and the handling of people’s fears hasn’t been done well, unfortunately there are the unscrupulous who will use this politically for their gain.

If you check what happened last night, in many cities vast amount of peaceful counter protesters came out to stand in front of asylum hotels and local Asian businesses and the thugs largely melted away.
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« Reply #1518 on: August 08, 2024, 08:15:21 AM »
I don't support the riots.
I didn't support the BLM riots either, which you all refused to condemn. Crouton, Jura. I condemn the riots in England.

I'm just saying, calling people names is just going to raise the tensions even more and give more credence to the accusations of two tier justice.

Arrest the people who smashed and burned things, of course you should. However pretending that only Nazis have a problem with Britain's immigration rate is only going to make people hate the government more. It will only cause more unrest. We need more speech not less. Otherwise a civil war will be inevitable.

I was reading an article that quite literally said that England has to stop people from being able to say what they want. Controlling and punishing speech is a Nazi policy, much more than smashing windows and burning things.

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I would say when repeatedly raping someone can get you only roughly 3 times the sentence for making racist stickers, there is a serious issue.

Thanks Jack that's a very reasonable point.

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« Reply #1519 on: August 08, 2024, 01:07:08 PM »

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« Reply #1520 on: August 08, 2024, 03:12:51 PM »
Inciting racial hatred is what turns legitimate concerns about inequality and the number of immigrants into, once again, MOBS TRYING TO BURN DOWN BUILDINGS WITH INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THEM.
Laws against "inciting racial hatred" can also be abused to silence legitimate concerns.

OMG.  Yes, Jack.  It’s about race/islamophobia.
Again, is it? Or is it about unduly harsh sentences for "inciting racial hatred"?
For silencing opinions that aren't agreed with by those in power?

It’s why Musk has also been spreading the myth of “Two tier policing” (note: racial tiers).
There is a wide variety of options for these 2 tiers.
This includes the option of riots/protests that is popular being less harshly treated than riots/protests expressing unpopular opinions.
That seems more appropriate considering he is focusing on the response to the riots.

Sorbo and Musk are fanning the flames and making excuses for racially motivated violence.
Care to provide examples?

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #1521 on: August 08, 2024, 08:19:49 PM »
People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #1522 on: August 09, 2024, 01:46:01 AM »
Haha!

He really is making a total arse of himself.

https://www.politics.co.uk/news/2024/08/08/elon-musk-deletes-post-spreading-fake-news-about-uk-detainment-camps/

Easy mistake to make for an American, that was actually Australia. There's America, and then there are places which are not America.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59486285

Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #1523 on: August 09, 2024, 03:53:20 AM »
Haha!

He really is making a total arse of himself.

https://www.politics.co.uk/news/2024/08/08/elon-musk-deletes-post-spreading-fake-news-about-uk-detainment-camps/

Easy mistake to make for an American, that was actually Australia. There's America, and then there are places which are not America.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-59486285



High profile people with millions of followers should think twice before posting obvious bullshit put out by the likes of Britain First.  At the very least it makes them look like complete morons.

Maybe he should do a little fact checking before spreading far right propaganda?

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« Reply #1524 on: August 09, 2024, 06:36:47 PM »
It was a joke man calm down a little bit.

Britain is now saying they will arrest anyone who went outside at certain times, which is reminiscent of Australia's covid policy, and honestly gives a lot of weight to claims of two tier justice. If it was me, I'd just arrest the rioters who caused property damage or were violent.

I understand that they are different countries but when people riot in support of something the government thinks is politically expedient, the police kneel in submission before the rioters.

That's what I've seen.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #1526 on: August 11, 2024, 10:33:31 AM »
It was a joke man calm down a little bit.

Britain is now saying they will arrest anyone who went outside at certain times, which is reminiscent of Australia's covid policy, and honestly gives a lot of weight to claims of two tier justice. If it was me, I'd just arrest the rioters who caused property damage or were violent.

I understand that they are different countries but when people riot in support of something the government thinks is politically expedient, the police kneel in submission before the rioters.

That's what I've seen.

The last round of real riots were over decade ago.  They were sparked by the police shooting of a black man (although that was probably just an excuse).  They absolutely threw the book at everyone involved.

This is not the same as protests.
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« Reply #1527 on: August 11, 2024, 02:06:22 PM »

A bit more on this rise of fascism that D1 so beautifully represents.
The initial riots broke out over the murder by a black kid of 3 young girls at a Taylor Swift inspired event, it was quickly spread about on social media that he was a Muslim boat person, the switch to dragging up the asian rape gangs was necessary because despite his age meaning they shouldn't have released his name, something the spreaders of hate were relying on, they did. He was black but a British born Christian, and lets remember, there were no riots when it came out about Jimmy Saville systematically raping children even though it was so well known that “children in need” had specifically said he was to have no part in any of their campaigns, or after the Dunblane massacre where 16 kids were killed. Why?

And Elon is another silver spoony who is free to pedal hate as free speech, like Farage and Suella Braverman, it's the demonisation of others by the elite that leads to fascism, it always was, the British working class should remember, it's not those coming over on boats that are your enemy but those in private jets and the media that represent them.

There's a joke going round at the moment; 4 people sitting at a table with 16 biscuits, a banker, a Daily mail journalist a white working class man and a brown working class man. The banker takes 13 biscuits and nods to the journalist who taking his biscuit leans over to the white guy and says, D1 that immigrant is after your biscuit. 
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« Reply #1528 on: August 11, 2024, 09:44:51 PM »
A bit more on this rise of fascism that D1 so beautifully represents.

You're not even trying anymore.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #1529 on: August 14, 2024, 06:03:44 AM »
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