Your thoughts on Elon musk?

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Pezevenk

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2019, 02:51:15 AM »
You literally said 'he always takes all the credit for everything'. Stop speaking in absolutes if you don't mean it.

Yes, because his idiotic cult thinks he is solely responsible for everything (as if he personally did all the research and engineering required and was the first one ever to do so), and he frequently reinforce it because he's a narcissist. He doesn't have to outright say he was the first person who developed vertical landing rockets.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2019, 03:01:27 AM »
You literally said 'he always takes all the credit for everything'. Stop speaking in absolutes if you don't mean it.

Yes, because his idiotic cult thinks he is solely responsible for everything (as if he personally did all the research and engineering required and was the first one ever to do so), and he frequently reinforce it because he's a narcissist. He doesn't have to outright say he was the first person who developed vertical landing rockets.

When people think 'Space X' they think Elon Musk. And any achievement made is credited to that guy - not the brilliant minds and low paid (comparatively) workers who built the thing and made it happen

When people think NASA, they think of a team of people. A whole room of eggheads working together to pull off the amazing.

Elon takes credit for work others have done. It's a personality trait I can't get behind

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2019, 03:21:10 AM »

Elon takes credit for work others have done. It's a personality trait I can't get behind

Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.


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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2019, 03:27:10 AM »
Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.
This is often true, but in science/engineering it's at best partwise true. People are less replacable than in most other businesses.

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Pezevenk

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2019, 03:27:24 AM »

Elon takes credit for work others have done. It's a personality trait I can't get behind

Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.
Only if you look at them as individual employees. Bosses are replacable too. In fact they often are replaced.

Also Elon is hardly a "boss", he's the owner. He doesn't manage workers directly.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2019, 03:29:57 AM by Pezevenk »
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2019, 03:32:16 AM »
Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.
This is often true, but in science/engineering it's at best partwise true. People are less replacable than in most other buisnesses.

I suppose the pizza delivery guy is more replaceable than a guy who has spent years building and researching rocket engines.

Anybody in a STEMM field is a precious resource really.

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2019, 03:33:47 AM »
Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.
This is often true, but in science/engineering it's at best partwise true. People are less replacable than in most other buisnesses.

I suppose the pizza delivery guy is more replaceable than a guy who has spent years building and researching rocket engines.

Anybody in a STEMM field is a precious resource really.
Yeah, that's also true. In terms of "replacability", engineers, physicists, IT guys etc. who work at his companies are definitely not that replacable.
It is not a scientific fact, it is a scientific fuck!
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2019, 03:53:03 AM »

Elon takes credit for work others have done. It's a personality trait I can't get behind

Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.
Only if you look at them as individual employees. Bosses are replacable too. In fact they often are replaced.

Also Elon is hardly a "boss", he's the owner. He doesn't manage workers directly.


Wow, why isn't the drachma the world currency?





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Pezevenk

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2019, 04:26:17 AM »

Elon takes credit for work others have done. It's a personality trait I can't get behind

Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.
Only if you look at them as individual employees. Bosses are replacable too. In fact they often are replaced.

Also Elon is hardly a "boss", he's the owner. He doesn't manage workers directly.


Wow, why isn't the drachma the world currency?
One reason would be that it doesn't exist.
It is not a scientific fact, it is a scientific fuck!
-Intikam

Who wants to be a firefly and who wants to be a blue whale?
-Sceptimatic

Please do not jizz to win an argument.
-Crutonius

Read a bit psicology and stick your imo to where it comes from.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2019, 08:12:48 AM »
I'm not debating what he has brought to the world except to say he's basically the figurehead of a lot of peoples hard work
So what?  Every head of every company is "basically the figurehead of a lot of peoples hard work".  That's just the way that business works.  Leadership is basically the ability to get others to do the hard work of making your ideas real.

Yeah but does Elon deserve the hero worship he gets though?
He probably deserves it as much as the likes of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg.

He won't get much idolism from me that's for sure.
I doubt that he would lose any sleep knowing that.  I also doubt that you're anywhere near his harshest critic.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2019, 08:14:57 AM »
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Yeah but does Elon deserve the hero worship he gets though?

He probably deserves it as much as the likes of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg.

So, not very much?

Btw all of these people were much more important for the innovations they made. Elon mostly just has a lot of money to spend.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2019, 08:25:48 AM »
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Yeah but does Elon deserve the hero worship he gets though?

He probably deserves it as much as the likes of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg.

So, not very much?

Btw all of these people were much more important for the innovations they made. Elon mostly just has a lot of money to spend.
But where did he get that money? 

Besides, most high profile leaders are there more to provide a vision and direction for their various companies.  The good ones are able to surround themselves with the right people to make that vision a reality. 
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2019, 09:25:35 AM »
But where did he get that money?

His parent's African emerald mines, originally. 

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Besides, most high profile leaders are there more to provide a vision and direction for their various companies.  The good ones are able to surround themselves with the right people to make that vision a reality.
Even then that still doesn't sound much like he should get the credit he does...
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2019, 01:20:45 PM »
Bill Gates out of your list is also a philanthrpist and started out with nothing. He's also not an arsehole who calls cave rescuers pedos and trash talks his own father as the most terrible and evil human being lol

I don't mind Bill who also knows how to keep a stable marriage. Elon looks like some megalomaniac.


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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2019, 02:08:16 PM »
Bill Gates out of your list is also a philanthrpist and started out with nothing.

That's an overstatement, his parents were pretty damn rich already. But he definitely deserves more credit than Musk for stuff, and he's ok as far as billionaires go. Now if only he'd do something to stop Microsoft from using Chinese sweatshop labour...

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He's also not an arsehole who calls cave rescuers pedos and trash talks his own father as the most terrible and evil human being lol
To be fair, his dad does seem pretty terrible...
It is not a scientific fact, it is a scientific fuck!
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Who wants to be a firefly and who wants to be a blue whale?
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Please do not jizz to win an argument.
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2019, 02:42:03 AM »
Except that he's done "what other people have already done" at half the price
Such as?
Launches satellites at half the price.
       Europe Complains: SpaceX Rocket Prices Are Too Cheap to Beat, But is SpaceX playing fair, or profiting from subsidies?
Launch capability and cost:

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has done things, like landing first stages back on the launch site and on barges
Vertically landed rockets is nothing new.
It has been done in the past.

People just don't like them because with failures, it fails quite badly.
But their recent record is good enough to seriously bother Arianespace and even question the viability of its Ariane 6.

Still, I guess the future will tell.
Yes, Arianespace is doing well sending real things into orbits with good rockets that are disposed off. Elon's rockets must carry so much extra fuel into space to enable them to land again, so their payloads become zero = Elon is just a big joke. Apparently he is himself screwing together cars at his factory as the robots do not work. Or he is digging tunnels under the factory?

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2019, 10:42:57 AM »
Lol someone made a hilarious video about Elon Musk's dumb tunnel stuff:
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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #47 on: March 18, 2019, 02:04:38 AM »

Elon takes credit for work others have done. It's a personality trait I can't get behind

Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.
Only if you look at them as individual employees. Bosses are replacable too. In fact they often are replaced.

Also Elon is hardly a "boss", he's the owner. He doesn't manage workers directly.


Wow, why isn't the drachma the world currency?
One reason would be that it doesn't exist.

That's my point.
RE can never win this argument.
FE can't be disproved.

Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2019, 07:34:00 AM »
My main exposure to Elon Musk was on The Joe Rogan Experience.

He's interesting, to say in the least. And, it seems to me, he has a hard time expressing himself. He works hard; I don't know how smartly he works hard.

I have my doubts about the validity of any space program. Naturally, I have my doubts about Elon Musk.

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Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?
« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2019, 03:08:21 PM »
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.