I researched how GPS works

And by you defending bad arguments to no end does nothing but empower and enable bad critical thinking and bad logic.

Learn the difference between defending bad arguments and calling out bad arguments. They're kinda the exact opposite.

Open your eyes! It's not just me.  Just look at others react to you too!

Yes, certain users are obscenely and ridiculously insecure, what's your point?

Learn the difference between defending bad arguments and calling out bad arguments. They're kinda the exact opposite.

Yes they are. So why are you defending bad arguments?

Yes, certain users are obscenely and ridiculously insecure, what's your point?

Perhaps it is that you should get over your insecurity?

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 06, 2019, 04:50:12 PM

And by you defending bad arguments to no end does nothing but empower and enable bad critical thinking and bad logic.

Learn the difference between defending bad arguments and calling out bad arguments. They're kinda the exact opposite.

Quote from: rabinoz on June 06, 2019, 05:09:35 PM

Open your eyes! It's not just me.  Just look at others react to you too!

Yes, certain users are obscenely and ridiculously insecure, what's your point?

Ha!
Pretty sure poison bread was the dumbest arguement youve defended.

You moght want to take notes from Curiouser and curiouser on pointing out bad arguments.

Pointing out flaws in bad re logic is different from defending bad fe arguments.
You defend bad fe arguments.

Quote from: Jane on June 07, 2019, 03:55:11 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 06, 2019, 04:50:12 PM

And by you defending bad arguments to no end does nothing but empower and enable bad critical thinking and bad logic.

Learn the difference between defending bad arguments and calling out bad arguments. They're kinda the exact opposite.

Quote from: rabinoz on June 06, 2019, 05:09:35 PM

Open your eyes! It's not just me.  Just look at others react to you too!

Yes, certain users are obscenely and ridiculously insecure, what's your point?

Ha!
Pretty sure poison bread was the dumbest arguement youve defended.

You moght want to take notes from Curiouser and curiouser on pointing out bad arguments.

Pointing out flaws in bad re logic is different from defending bad fe arguments.
You defend bad fe arguments.

She does not defend, she explains.
The difference is not subtle.

She does not defend, she explains.
The difference is not subtle.

And if anyone dares question her explanations, duck!

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 07, 2019, 04:20:51 PM

Quote from: Jane on June 07, 2019, 03:55:11 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 06, 2019, 04:50:12 PM

And by you defending bad arguments to no end does nothing but empower and enable bad critical thinking and bad logic.

Learn the difference between defending bad arguments and calling out bad arguments. They're kinda the exact opposite.

Quote from: rabinoz on June 06, 2019, 05:09:35 PM

Open your eyes! It's not just me.  Just look at others react to you too!

Yes, certain users are obscenely and ridiculously insecure, what's your point?

Ha!
Pretty sure poison bread was the dumbest arguement youve defended.

You moght want to take notes from Curiouser and curiouser on pointing out bad arguments.

Pointing out flaws in bad re logic is different from defending bad fe arguments.
You defend bad fe arguments.

She does not defend, she explains.
The difference is not subtle.

Her explanation of simulating satellite positions is a totally wrong explanation. Would not work.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 07, 2019, 09:38:07 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 07, 2019, 04:20:51 PM

Quote from: Jane on June 07, 2019, 03:55:11 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 06, 2019, 04:50:12 PM

And by you defending bad arguments to no end does nothing but empower and enable bad critical thinking and bad logic.

Learn the difference between defending bad arguments and calling out bad arguments. They're kinda the exact opposite.

Quote from: rabinoz on June 06, 2019, 05:09:35 PM

Open your eyes! It's not just me.  Just look at others react to you too!

Yes, certain users are obscenely and ridiculously insecure, what's your point?

Ha!
Pretty sure poison bread was the dumbest arguement youve defended.

You moght want to take notes from Curiouser and curiouser on pointing out bad arguments.

Pointing out flaws in bad re logic is different from defending bad fe arguments.
You defend bad fe arguments.

She does not defend, she explains.
The difference is not subtle.

Her explanation of simulating satellite positions is a totally wrong explanation. Would not work.

Tell your mom.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 07, 2019, 09:38:07 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 07, 2019, 04:20:51 PM

Quote from: Jane on June 07, 2019, 03:55:11 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 06, 2019, 04:50:12 PM

And by you defending bad arguments to no end does nothing but empower and enable bad critical thinking and bad logic.

Learn the difference between defending bad arguments and calling out bad arguments. They're kinda the exact opposite.

Quote from: rabinoz on June 06, 2019, 05:09:35 PM

Open your eyes! It's not just me.  Just look at others react to you too!

Yes, certain users are obscenely and ridiculously insecure, what's your point?

Ha!
Pretty sure poison bread was the dumbest arguement youve defended.

You moght want to take notes from Curiouser and curiouser on pointing out bad arguments.

Pointing out flaws in bad re logic is different from defending bad fe arguments.
You defend bad fe arguments.

She does not defend, she explains.
The difference is not subtle.

Her explanation of simulating satellite positions is a totally wrong explanation. Would not work.

None of it works.
Thats why its not reality.

Yes they are. So why are you defending bad arguments?

You are saying lie, manipulating an issue again. Her arguments being bad is your claim. So prove her arguments being bad, but yours being better.

Quote from: John Davis on June 05, 2019, 06:02:23 PM

It works on a flat earth by the use of very accurate clocks.

Again, How?

Being as retard as can not get arguments is your problem. If you can not get it, because you are an ignorant discount chemist needs to get read more books like how John has read.

It doesn't matter where the accurate clocks are, the laws of physics don't change based on your frame of reference. Better mathematicians could work out the details, but they are able to work out those details based off the undeniable claim: the laws of physics are immutable and no frame is preferred. All you need is enough information to do the math. A triangulation is a good start, but a network of gps satellites makes the work easy to reduce.

Oh and also books I have read. Thanks wise. Sorry for thinking a few works are notable in context. Good job on that one.

At least sandokhan had pizzaz.

It doesn't matter where the accurate clocks are

That's right.
What matters is how you fake the signals for all the different locations on Earth from all the alleged satellites.
The only way to do so is to have an insane amount of transmitters, which would likely need to be very large, such that they aren't diffraction limited so each tiny little section of Earth gets their own fake signals. Any other method will have massive problem, and even this would still run into issues.

Quote from: John Davis on June 09, 2019, 12:38:55 AM

It doesn't matter where the accurate clocks are

That's right.
What matters is how you fake the signals for all the different locations on Earth from all the alleged satellites.
The only way to do so is to have an insane amount of transmitters, which would likely need to be very large, such that they aren't diffraction limited so each tiny little section of Earth gets their own fake signals. Any other method will have massive problem, and even this would still run into issues.

It doesn't matter where the accurate clocks are, John is right so case closed. Now you get shut up.

Is cell phone service everywhere? How many atomic clocks are there? Would have to be more than cell towers. Satellite radio would also require more.
Where are all these hidden towers and the technicians who work on them?

I did not see the post of alt of rabinoz. How pathetic he can not write anything but writes something in the name of somebody has not enough knowledge but has only property of being alt of rabblack, how pathetic.

I did not see the post of alt of rabinoz. How pathetic he can not write anything but writes something in the name of somebody has not enough knowledge but has only property of being alt of rabblack, how pathetic.

Meanwhile we are confident how GPS works with orbiting satellites as documented.

Quote from: wise on June 09, 2019, 01:55:26 PM

I did not see the post of alt of rabinoz. How pathetic he can not write anything but writes something in the name of somebody has not enough knowledge but has only property of being alt of rabblack, how pathetic.

Meanwhile we are confident how GPS works with orbiting satellites as documented.

You can create a document about everything. The whole point its being real, its having a real proof or not. They are clearly not real, how ever you document them.

Quote from: inquisitive on June 09, 2019, 02:16:37 PM

Quote from: wise on June 09, 2019, 01:55:26 PM

I did not see the post of alt of rabinoz. How pathetic he can not write anything but writes something in the name of somebody has not enough knowledge but has only property of being alt of rabblack, how pathetic.

Meanwhile we are confident how GPS works with orbiting satellites as documented.

You can create a document about everything. The whole point its being real, its having a real proof or not. They are clearly not real, how ever you document them.

Please provide links to how GPS works and documentation for receiver manufacturers.

It doesn't matter where the accurate clocks are, John is right so case closed.

Him being correct about an irrelevant fact doesn't close the case.
He has completely ignored the problem with faking GPS, leaving all the existing devices which operate with GPS as proof of the GPS system and by extension a round Earth.

It doesn't matter where the accurate clocks are, John is right so case closed. Now you get shut up.

It matters a lot! If all the transmitters are on the earth's surface there is no way the GNSSystem can determine the altitude of any low altitude receiver.
But we know that the GNSS can show low altitudes just as well as high altitudes. I have TWO here now and both are showing 45 m.
And Google Earth shows the elevation of the property varying from 45 m to 46 m.

The GNSS can certainly show altitude so your claim that "It doesn't matter where the accurate clocks" is quite incorrect.

Which of you are saying true:

a) John says true.

Quote from: wise on June 09, 2019, 05:50:34 AM

It doesn't matter where the accurate clocks are, John is right so case closed.

Him being correct about an irrelevant fact doesn't close the case.

b) John says lie.

Quote from: wise on June 09, 2019, 05:50:34 AM

It doesn't matter where the accurate clocks are, John is right so case closed. Now you get shut up.

It matters a lot! If all the transmitters are on the earth's surface there is no way the GNSSystem can determine the altitude of any low altitude receiver.
But we know that the GNSS can show low altitudes just as well as high altitudes. I have TWO here now and both are showing 45 m.
And Google Earth shows the elevation of the property varying from 45 m to 46 m.

The GNSS can certainly show altitude so your claim that "It doesn't matter where the accurate clocks" is quite incorrect.

Plese discuss with yourself first then return to me with one voice, one thought. Stop to contradict yourself. Or make an election between yourself and show me one person to discussings. I can not deal with all the BS.

Plese discuss with yourself first then return to me with one voice, one thought. Stop to contradict yourself.

If you want to play that way, how about all of you FEers leave humanity, leaving Earth entirely and discuss among yourselves just what you want the FE model to be and come back with a single unified model rather than loads of contradictory ones.
Some questions to think of:
Is Earth stationary or accelerating upwards?
Is Earth finite or infinite?
Is the north pole the centre, or the south pole, or some other point?
Is there a dome?


Or you can try acting like an almost rational adult for once in your life and explain how GPS works on a FE using RE math and faked satellite transmission?
Or actually act like a rational adult and accept Earth is round.

Quote from: wise on June 10, 2019, 01:00:06 AM

Plese discuss with yourself first then return to me with one voice, one thought. Stop to contradict yourself.

If you want to play that way, how about all of you FEers leave humanity, leaving Earth entirely and discuss among yourselves just what you want the FE model to be and come back with a single unified model rather than loads of contradictory ones.
Some questions to think of:
Is Earth stationary or accelerating upwards?
Is Earth finite or infinite?
Is the north pole the centre, or the south pole, or some other point?
Is there a dome?


Or you can try acting like an almost rational adult for once in your life and explain how GPS works on a FE using RE math and faked satellite transmission?
Or actually act like a rational adult and accept Earth is round.

You are confusing who is asking the questions here. I am the who asking the questions here.

- Do you still believe NASA landed the moon with 1969 technology and why some (so called) scientists say we have not this technology today.
- What holds the atmospher does not spread out the space?
- Why are aircrafts flying in most of china by the speed half of aircrafts flying in Russia?
- Why do God say he has created day and night, before he says he has created sun and moon? Additionally, are you atheist or God believer?

Ok, returning the issue. Why does not GPS work on inner side of oceans?

Answer those questions before handle your task to another angry globularist.

Quote from: JackBlack on June 10, 2019, 02:51:18 AM

Quote from: wise on June 10, 2019, 01:00:06 AM

Plese discuss with yourself first then return to me with one voice, one thought. Stop to contradict yourself.

If you want to play that way, how about all of you FEers leave humanity, leaving Earth entirely and discuss among yourselves just what you want the FE model to be and come back with a single unified model rather than loads of contradictory ones.
Some questions to think of:
Is Earth stationary or accelerating upwards?
Is Earth finite or infinite?
Is the north pole the centre, or the south pole, or some other point?
Is there a dome?


Or you can try acting like an almost rational adult for once in your life and explain how GPS works on a FE using RE math and faked satellite transmission?
Or actually act like a rational adult and accept Earth is round.

You are confusing who is asking the questions here. I am the who asking the questions here.

- Do you still believe NASA landed the moon with 1969 technology and why some (so called) scientists say we have not this technology today.
- What holds the atmospher does not spread out the space?
- Why are aircrafts flying in most of china by the speed half of aircrafts flying in Russia?
- Why do God say he has created day and night, before he says he has created sun and moon? Additionally, are you atheist or God believer?

Ok, returning the issue. Why does not GPS work on inner side of oceans?

Answer those questions before handle your task to another angry globularist.

Why do you not ask these questions on a science forum?

You are confusing who is asking the questions here. I am the who asking the questions here.

You are confused about where you are.
This is a thread to discuss GPS.

If you want to discuss something other than GPS, do so elsewhere.

Ok, returning the issue. Why does not GPS work on inner side of oceans?

What does that mean? What is the inner side of oceans?
If you mean in the middle of oceans, then it does work.

Quote from: wise on June 10, 2019, 04:05:55 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on June 10, 2019, 02:51:18 AM

Quote from: wise on June 10, 2019, 01:00:06 AM

Plese discuss with yourself first then return to me with one voice, one thought. Stop to contradict yourself.

If you want to play that way, how about all of you FEers leave humanity, leaving Earth entirely and discuss among yourselves just what you want the FE model to be and come back with a single unified model rather than loads of contradictory ones.
Some questions to think of:
Is Earth stationary or accelerating upwards?
Is Earth finite or infinite?
Is the north pole the centre, or the south pole, or some other point?
Is there a dome?


Or you can try acting like an almost rational adult for once in your life and explain how GPS works on a FE using RE math and faked satellite transmission?
Or actually act like a rational adult and accept Earth is round.

You are confusing who is asking the questions here. I am the who asking the questions here.

- Do you still believe NASA landed the moon with 1969 technology and why some (so called) scientists say we have not this technology today.
- What holds the atmospher does not spread out the space?
- Why are aircrafts flying in most of china by the speed half of aircrafts flying in Russia?
- Why do God say he has created day and night, before he says he has created sun and moon? Additionally, are you atheist or God believer?

Ok, returning the issue. Why does not GPS work on inner side of oceans?

Answer those questions before handle your task to another angry globularist.

Why do you not ask these questions on a science forum?

This is the only science forum I know. He claims he represent the scientists here. If he would not represent the science so he goes and somebody else comes here able to represent the science.

Quote from: wise on June 10, 2019, 04:05:55 AM

You are confusing who is asking the questions here. I am the who asking the questions here.

You are confused about where you are.
This is a thread to discuss GPS.

So you have no idea why does not GPS work on inner oceans, right? So you have not an answer so you very well know that they do not work because GPS needs ground for land stations, isn't it?

Why does not GPS work on inner side of oceans?

Answer those questions before handle your task to another angry globularist.

Now, stop spreading more BS and answer the question, now!

Quote from: JackBlack on June 10, 2019, 04:35:31 AM

Quote from: wise on June 10, 2019, 04:05:55 AM

You are confusing who is asking the questions here. I am the who asking the questions here.

You are confused about where you are.
This is a thread to discuss GPS.

So you have no idea why does not GPS work on inner oceans, right? So you have not an answer so you very well know that they do not work because GPS needs ground for land stations, isn't it?

Quote from: wise on June 10, 2019, 04:05:55 AM

Why does not GPS work on inner side of oceans?

Answer those questions before handle your task to another angry globularist.

Now, stop spreading more BS and answer the question, now!

GPS works on oceans and is used by ships for navigation.  Also by aircraft.