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Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day

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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2007, 06:09:19 AM »
"Christmas or Christ's Mass is one of most popular Christian celebrations as well as one of the most globally recognized midwinter celebrations. Christmas is the celebration of the birth of the God Incarnate or Messiah, Yeshua of Nazareth, later known as Jesus Christ. The birth is observed on December 25th, what was the winter solstice upon establishment of the Julian Calendar in 45 BC."

"The Sol Invictus festival ran from December 22 through December 25, which at that time was at the solstice."

"And many solar calendar Midwinter celebrations still centre upon the night of December 24th leading into the 25th in the north, which was considered to be the winter solstice upon the establishment of the Julian calendar."
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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2007, 06:39:34 AM »
Quote from: divito the truthist on November 24, 2007, 06:09:19 AM
"Christmas or Christ's Mass is one of most popular Christian celebrations as well as one of the most globally recognized midwinter celebrations. Christmas is the celebration of the birth of the God Incarnate or Messiah, Yeshua of Nazareth, later known as Jesus Christ. The birth is observed on December 25th, what was the winter solstice upon establishment of the Julian Calendar in 45 BC."

"The Sol Invictus festival ran from December 22 through December 25, which at that time was at the solstice."

"And many solar calendar Midwinter celebrations still centre upon the night of December 24th leading into the 25th in the north, which was considered to be the winter solstice upon the establishment of the Julian calendar."

The Julian calender was innacurate. Didn't they have to add 40 days to the year because they figured out they weren't adding leap years.
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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2007, 10:31:45 AM »
They might have changed it, but it appears through these quotes that at least it started out as such.
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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2007, 10:54:50 AM »
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The Julian calender was innacurate.
Wrong.  The original Julian Calendar which was created by the Egyptian cosmographer Sosogenes IS astronomically accurate.

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Didn't they have to add 40 days to the year because they figured out they weren't adding leap years.
The notoriously corrupt and contemptible papacy added ten days to the Julian Calendar in 1582 (nowadays the diffrence is 13) under Pope Gregory.  This scientifically inaccurate Gregorian calendar which the western world uses now was created by the jesuit jew Clavius, and there was much opposition to it on scientific and religious grounds in the west as well as the East where opposition to the Gregorian Calendar continues for religious and scientific reasons.

Unfortunately, it seems that the most likely way for the restoration of the Julian Calendar is perhaps a world war in which the west devastates itself and the Old Calendar Orthodox Christians seize power and restore the true reckoning of time.
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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #64 on: November 26, 2007, 01:09:09 PM »
So;.....

Once again we have those obvious members of the Ignoscenti muddling with a few of the alleged Cognscenti with a logician or two in the mix (you know who you are)

Astronomically; "solstice" is an exact point in time whereat the Sun stands still in declination to an observer on the earths surface. That's all.

Any other "facts" being bandied about here have less to do with astronomy and more to do with inconsistancies in the vicissitudes of social and religious tradition.
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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #65 on: January 13, 2008, 04:36:35 PM »
Quote from: 17 November on January 13, 2008, 04:26:55 PM
The Orthodox Christian tradition has been consistent as to what it says about the solstices since the Church began.  By comparison, the modern sciences have been inconsistent and self-contradictory.

As today is the 31st of Decembre on the Julian Calendar, Happy New Year everyone!

You fail. The Julian calendar's year is longer than the astronomic tropic year by 0.078 days, which gives a lag of 1 day for approximately every 128 years.

The calendar is a secular thing and has nothing to do with religion. You can continue to celebrate Christmas on January 7th, but New Year is according to the calendar that you're using and is always on January 1st. Btw, the winter solstice is on December 22nd.
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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2008, 05:23:34 PM »
Why is it called Julian, then, if it is intimatelly connected to Christianity? Also, the Jewish calendar is a lunisolar one.
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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #67 on: January 13, 2008, 06:14:16 PM »
You lose.
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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2008, 06:22:21 PM »
Quote from: 17 November on January 13, 2008, 06:21:21 PM
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You lose.

Thanks for that supporting evidence there, big guy.

You presented the evidence yourself, I simply pointed you in the right direction.
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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2008, 06:28:26 PM »
Happy New Year to you, too. Now go and play around the Christmas tree.
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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2008, 07:06:57 PM »
Why do us "westerners" get blamed for everything? I could care less about which calendar I use, but we haven't even been on this continent long enough to have anything to do with it, and the overall interpretation of "westerners" is "those damned Americans!" ;D

But hey, when what.. half the world (I'm thinking that's an understatement) uses the same calander we do... we probably weren't the ones that passed out a calendar for everyone to use... I'm betting we just went along with what we brought over with us and the rest of the major trading world was using.

Which brings me to my main point...

Julian, Gregorian, Myan, Lunar, Solar, take your pick... which one is used most for commerce and daily information, etc. around the world? Well, that's the one I'll be using since a) I'm a field technician / network engineer (and hopeful physicist if I can keep enough money coming in for school) and b) I have things called bills, bills, and oh yeah... more bills that are all payed out of something called my bank account which is all run off of the same time, date, and calendar system.

So kudos for whatever you want to base your religious beliefs off of... calendar or no (or vica versa) - but seriously... why argue over something as insignificant as which calendar to use when I am certain that God will not use a calendar as your "Go" card for transport to Heaven?

Just my thoughts.
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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #71 on: January 14, 2008, 02:40:59 AM »
Dunno why, but my last few posts to this forum have disappeared. Including the one in response to this. I don't feel liek retyping the whole thing so here is the jist...

Never said I had any issue with anyone using whatever calendar they want. You reiteration of who used what and who still uses what is moot. Fine by me... what I use is simply because it's what I need to go by to put food on the table an dpay the bills eh?

Last point: Why in the world did you go and say "George Washington's generation"? Why is it *his* generation and not any other persons of that time? Is it really so important to blame America, rather than England, who is the body that imposed the 'new' calendar system on it's citizens - including the new colonists in 1752? Why must it be such an easy thing ( / necessary perhaps?) for peple to either hate or maybe just enjoy jibing or twisting at American history?

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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #72 on: January 18, 2008, 01:54:53 AM »
Ignore 17 November, he is a tool
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Re: Winter Solstice Is On 25 December Christmas Day
« Reply #73 on: January 19, 2008, 12:06:58 PM »
As most of my concerns are financial; for all practicle, mundane purposes, I agree with Optimus on usage.

As for the actual subject of placement of the solstices on any calander: I have noted through casual observation that, locally, the sun apeared to have reached its furthest point southward on the horizon 21 to 24 days ago, and has moved far enough northward such that the sun set at a noticably later time yesterday.

I suppose that I could devise and set up a measuing grid by the time of the "summer" solstice to more accurately record it.
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