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FE is a derivation of RE

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Winged Insignia

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FE is a derivation of RE
« on: January 14, 2007, 09:17:08 AM »
According to your azumithal map, at least.

You see that map which you use to annoy us? It has several biases.

First of all, according to its projection, you end up miracuolously turning when you go East. There is a similar bias in RE, but it is accounted for via the quickest way from one place through another being underground, and you having to stretch it around the sphere that is an Earth.

There is a mathematical explanation for that.

There should be an explanation for this.
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2007, 11:04:59 AM »
Quote from: "Winged Insignia"

There should be an explanation for this.

It's called a magnetic field.
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Winged Insignia

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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2007, 12:32:36 PM »
So, my turning radius is dependent upon magnetics? Wouldn't I always end up at the center?
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2007, 12:34:02 PM »
If the attraction was great enough to cause that significant of a turn, we'd all be in a lot of trouble.
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2007, 12:48:00 PM »
He wanted an explanation for East.  East is the way it is because of the earth's magnetic field.
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cmdshft

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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2007, 12:53:47 PM »
Which, according to the flat earth, the "south pole" would be greater due to the distortion fields. Compared to the force of the southern pole, it would dwarf the power of the north pole, and the planes would then fly towards the ice wall.
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2007, 01:11:39 PM »
In FE the point of magnetic south is in exactly the same place as it is in RE.
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timewarp

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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2007, 01:21:02 PM »
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In FE the point of magnetic south is in exactly the same place as it is in RE.

No. South, on the FE model, is all the way around the edge.
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Proof that the FE model is bogus (read through the thread, or skip to page five for the math):
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7929&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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cmdshft

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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2007, 02:22:35 PM »
That's exactly correct. It is along the entire edge, hence the distortion, because the south magnetic pole is so many more times stronger than the northern pole.

If magnetism is what causes the turning, then it would not turn to the north pole, but to the edge.
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2007, 02:28:41 PM »
Quote from: "timewarp"
Quote from: "Tom Bishop"
In FE the point of magnetic south is in exactly the same place as it is in RE.

No. South, on the FE model, is all the way around the edge.


Yes, but that is the same PLACE.
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2007, 02:30:10 PM »
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If magnetism is what causes the turning, then it would not turn to the north pole, but to the edge.

Why?

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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2007, 02:34:57 PM »
Quote from: "Hara Taiki"
That's exactly correct. It is along the entire edge, hence the distortion, because the south magnetic pole is so many more times stronger than the northern pole.

If magnetism is what causes the turning, then it would not turn to the north pole, but to the edge.


That's why.
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2007, 02:57:12 PM »
Quote from: "Winged Insignia"
First of all, according to its projection, you end up miracuolously turning when you go East.


Same thing happens on any of the lines of lattitude except the equator in the RE model.  In the north you curve right, in the south you curve left (when going east in each case).  How much are you turning?  Nothing appreciable until you are near the north (and south in the RE), given that the accuracy of a compass is not greater than +/- 1 or 2 degrees.  There is aslo increasingly less accuracy near the poles because the magnetic field lines are nearly vertical.  

read this post about it


Quote from: "Winged Insignia"
There is a similar bias in RE, but it is accounted for via the quickest way from one place through another being underground, and you having to stretch it around the sphere that is an Earth.


That accounts for a vertical curvature only.  If you're going a constant bearing directly east or west your path is going to be curving right or left, and it is not going to be the shortest distance (except on the equator).  That path is called a small circle (intersection of a plane and a sphere not on a diameter of the sphere) whereas only a great circle (intersection through a diameter) contains the shortest distance.  

Quote from: "Winged Insignia"
There is a mathematical explanation for that.

There should be an explanation for this.


"That" is referring to the geodesic (or great circle segment), right?

and "this" is referring to the miraculous turning?  I din't think it's very miraculous; it's just the result of the polar nature of the north pole.
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2007, 02:58:59 PM »
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. . . because the south magnetic pole is so many more times stronger than the northern pole..


Are you sure that is physically possible?  I'm not familiar with distortion fields, tell me more.
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2007, 03:12:41 PM »
Put a single magnet of magnetic north in the center of a plate. Then place *keeping them from moving of course* magnets with the magnetic south along the edge. (Make sure all the south fields would face up like they would on the flat earth). Then dangle a regular magnet with no preference to a pole  into the area of the feild over the plate, between the two "poles" and follow the path taken as shown in the maps. The south magnets will pull the dangling magnet to them, because they collectively over power the norther pole.

some other examples of the phenomenon can be seen here: http://members.seaturtle.org/Bill/magnet.html
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EvilToothpaste

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« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2007, 03:28:04 PM »
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Put a single magnet of magnetic north in the center of a plate. Then place *keeping them from moving of course* magnets with the magnetic south along the edge.


Are you talking about a magnetic monopole? As in just put a north monopole in the center and surround it with south monopoles?
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cmdshft

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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2007, 03:31:42 PM »
Yes! A monopole! i couldn't remember the term, so I said magnet. But yes.
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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2007, 05:37:11 PM »
To bad there is no such thing.
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cmdshft

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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2007, 06:04:41 PM »
Right. How do you know?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole

Anyway, it can still be done with regular magnets.
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