Satellite TV

Quote from: inquisitive on July 12, 2019, 02:03:13 PM

Quote from: wise on July 12, 2019, 01:45:16 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on July 12, 2019, 01:39:07 PM

Quote from: wise on July 12, 2019, 01:26:58 PM

Quote from: turtles on July 12, 2019, 01:26:24 AM

I'm getting deja vu here, already been asking wise for how the ground transmitters faking the satellites work, where are they, how he has been detecting them, why some northern dishes don't point north towards their nearest ground transmitter, what do the transmitter antenna look like, etc.

Predictably at this point he starts ignoring me.

I am constantly repying similar questions with same way. But you and others are constantly claiming same baseless claims. What is new here other than dejavu for yourself?

Satellite dish alignment is proven, ask an installer.

And installer will tell me its being proven then I'll believe it, right? Is it a scientist?

As you have failed to list the locations of any transmitters we can be sure you have no evidence for your claim.

I have a separate and independent work on the location of transmitters. So the earth's being flat is proved according to your mentality. Give up the childish behaves. Grow up, be a man, be a flat earther.

Where are the details?

It is completely fair. You deny it because debunks your baseless so called satellites.
The only reason I assert its being lie because its being lie. You are telling opposite because it shows you are wrong.

If it was completley fair for you to dismiss it as fake you would have provided an explanation for why you think it is fake.
But you have provided none. So far all you have done is assert is obviously fake.
This shows you have no real justification and are only dismissing it because it shows you are wrong.

And no, even if it was fake, it wouldn't debunk satellites.
You would need to show satellites don't exist to debunk them. The closest you have come to that is just asserting that satellites need to move relative to Earth, which I quickly demonstrated was pure nonsense.

Do you really believe I do what you want? Your all suggestions are evil and badly minded.

No I don't.
I never indicated I thought you would.
I know you hate the truth so much you would never even attempt to obtain evidence which shows you are wrong.

But if you actually cared about the truth and wanted to determine if satellites were real, you would go set up a camera on a tripod and record a long exposure video or time-lapse photo of the night sky near the equator (i.e. have your camera pointing towards the equator and up, not away from it) and see if you see stationary dots, i.e. the geostationary satellites.
You can even look up where to aim a satellite dish and point the camera there and see if you see the satellite.

Just what is evil or badly minded about suggesting how you can obtain the evidence yourself considering you dismiss it as fake whenever anyone else provide it?
Do you think suggesting how you can find out you are wrong is evil or badly minded?

Then lets look the photos all together.

No. That is entirely pointless.
You have already shown you will not accept any evidence.
Telling me to do it is just telling me to go waste my time.

If you were willing to look at/discuss photos together you would have done it with the photos provided.
I'm not going to waste my time taking a picture just for you to dismiss it as fake.

You are zooming the stars millions of light year far

No you aren't.
They remain as an unresolved point of light.
Also, they are typically only up to a hundred of thousand light years away.
The others are more often galaxies which you can't resolve either without a good telescope.

the transmitters in the south are facing south. Look how simple it is.

I know how simple it is to just reject reality.
It is much harder to deal with while trying to prop up nonsense.
here is a dish in Australia:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-33.9384376,150.8957755,3a,89.2y,352.24h,80.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-800pGhG8StMsDcmUH1crA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Is it pointing south? NO!
This one?
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-33.939571,150.8945482,3a,75y,226.9h,85.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLmMzWRZmWmx5r-bikNkDYQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Still north.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-33.939571,150.8945482,3a,75y,47.39h,79.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLmMzWRZmWmx5r-bikNkDYQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Still north.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-27.5849644,151.9354707,3a,51.9y,358.96h,83.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHjggFkVtxF9C6PO4wrKjBw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Still north.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-27.5717296,151.9559813,3a,75y,99.01h,88.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZVi1TCnnvSDSBjT13VtemQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Still north.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-33.4280934,-70.7146154,3a,75y,194.03h,94.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s77tGwSjLYuvChveccdkxdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Still north.
Just where are these magical satellite dishes in the south that point south?

<tltr;

I think you are unemployed. Find a job youself. Nobody read your BS as long as this much. You are not a flat earther. You do not need spend all your times to discuss with flat earthers wast in vain. You have never convinced any flat earther in anyway. See a doctor.

Quote from: wise on July 12, 2019, 02:05:09 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on July 12, 2019, 02:03:13 PM

Quote from: wise on July 12, 2019, 01:45:16 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on July 12, 2019, 01:39:07 PM

Quote from: wise on July 12, 2019, 01:26:58 PM

Quote from: turtles on July 12, 2019, 01:26:24 AM

I'm getting deja vu here, already been asking wise for how the ground transmitters faking the satellites work, where are they, how he has been detecting them, why some northern dishes don't point north towards their nearest ground transmitter, what do the transmitter antenna look like, etc.

Predictably at this point he starts ignoring me.

I am constantly repying similar questions with same way. But you and others are constantly claiming same baseless claims. What is new here other than dejavu for yourself?

Satellite dish alignment is proven, ask an installer.

And installer will tell me its being proven then I'll believe it, right? Is it a scientist?

As you have failed to list the locations of any transmitters we can be sure you have no evidence for your claim.

I have a separate and independent work on the location of transmitters. So the earth's being flat is proved according to your mentality. Give up the childish behaves. Grow up, be a man, be a flat earther.

Where are the details?

Which detail? Everything is detailed. Read jackblack how explaines everything detailed with his infinite free time. I haven't infinite time, I am not unemployed like you angry globularists.

Quote from: JackBlack on July 12, 2019, 04:50:29 PM

<tltr;

I think you are unemployed. Find a job youself. Nobody read your BS as long as this much. You are not a flat earther. You do not need spend all your times to discuss with flat earthers wast in vain. You have never convinced any flat earther in anyway. See a doctor.

In other words, you have no answers when facts are presented to you so you post nonsense.

Quote from: wise on July 13, 2019, 03:40:52 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on July 12, 2019, 04:50:29 PM

<tltr;

I think you are unemployed. Find a job youself. Nobody read your BS as long as this much. You are not a flat earther. You do not need spend all your times to discuss with flat earthers wast in vain. You have never convinced any flat earther in anyway. See a doctor.

In other words, you have no answers when facts are presented to you so you post nonsense.

Sorry there isn't any fact I can not deal here. I do not have to read all the BS. writing more and unnecessary does not require me to respond to every unnecessary sentence. subject is certain, satellite tv. and I haven't seen a video showing the satellites yet. You send satellites into space, you communicate from space to earth and from earth to space, but you don't put a small camera on that satellite because you don't have to? Stop telling the fable.

I think you are unemployed. Find a job youself. Nobody read your BS as long as this much. You are not a flat earther. You do not need spend all your times to discuss with flat earthers wast in vain. You have never convinced any flat earther in anyway. See a doctor.

If you don't want to read what I say, then just dont respond. Remain silent and let those who actually want to disucss to discuss them.


You claimed that satellite dishes in the south, still point south.
So I provided a few links to Google street view clearly showing satellite dishes in the south pointing north.
This refutes your claim.

In general satellite dishes point to the equator, as if there are satellites above the equator in a geostationary orbit around a RE.

Do you have any alternative explanation for why these dishes are all appearing to point towards a satellite over the equator?

Quote from: rabinoz on July 13, 2019, 04:20:48 AM

Quote from: wise on July 13, 2019, 03:40:52 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on July 12, 2019, 04:50:29 PM

<tltr;

I think you are unemployed. Find a job youself. Nobody read your BS as long as this much. You are not a flat earther. You do not need spend all your times to discuss with flat earthers wast in vain. You have never convinced any flat earther in anyway. See a doctor.

In other words, you have no answers when facts are presented to you so you post nonsense.

Sorry there isn't any fact I can not deal here. I do not have to read all the BS. writing more and unnecessary does not require me to respond to every unnecessary sentence. subject is certain, satellite tv. and I haven't seen a video showing the satellites yet. You send satellites into space, you communicate from space to earth and from earth to space, but you don't put a small camera on that satellite because you don't have to? Stop telling the fable.

In other words, once again you have no answers, noted!

What would be the use of a small camera on the satellite?

I have shown video of those satellites - THIS ONE!

2018-03-19 Geostationary satellites (timelapse about 700x) by Amrum astronomer
Four Arab TV satellites (left) and Eutelsat 25 (right).
C95 remote station with 0.60-m/f3.2 Newton and about 1200 images, each 15sec.
Click the photo to see the video!

Those are satellites are for direct TV broadcast and are almost 35,786 km above the earth but are only the size of a big car so how do you suggest that a more detailed video be taken?

But here is a video of Arabsat TV satellites being deployed at a lower altitude:

Arabsat-6A deployment by SciNews
The Arabsat-6A telecommunications satellite was successfully deployed approximately 34 minutes after being launched
by a SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket from Launch Complex 39A (LC-39A), at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center, Florida, on
 11 April 2019, at 22:35 UTC (18:35 EDT). Credit: SpaceX
Click the photo to see the video!

It is not satellite TV, it is land based TV.

Submarine Cable Map of the world

You see, rabinoz has admitted everything is underground cable system, but not satellites.

To receive satellite TV signal from ground cables you would have to point your satellite dish down, to the groiund.

What happened to the transmission of radio / internet / TV signals by reflecting from the stratosphere? Globularists are not talking about it anymore. I think it does not needed to mention anymore. No need to cloud technology for explanation, so no need to mention.

Radio waves below 40 MHz are significantly affected by the ionosphere,
primarily because radio waves in this frequency range are effectively reflected
by the ionosphere. The E and F layers are the most important for this process.

Satellites use frequencies between 1 and 40 GHz.
Through Ionosphere they behave much more like visible light.

Radio waves below 40 MHz are significantly affected by the ionosphere,
primarily because radio waves in this frequency range are effectively reflected
by the ionosphere. The E and F layers are the most important for this process.

Satellites use frequencies between 1 and 40 GHz.
Through Ionosphere they behave much more like visible light.

What function has mezosfer has? It wants to be useful too. you can also send them a signal and ask them to transfer from 500 kilometers away.

It is not satellite TV, it is land based TV.

Quote from: rabinoz on July 13, 2019, 07:48:31 PM

Submarine Cable Map of the world

You see, rabinoz has admitted everything is underground cable system, but not satellites.

No, not everything.  Please explain with links what satellite dishes point at.

Interesting that you fail to give links to manufacturers and suppliers and then tell us they are wrong.

What happened to the transmission of radio / internet / TV signals by reflecting from the stratosphere? Globularists are not talking about it anymore. I think it does not needed to mention anymore. No need to cloud technology for explanation, so no need to mention.

I assume that you mean "Tropospheric Scatter Propogation". Read about it in: tropospheric propogation.
Is has been used for military transmission but is of little use for TV broadcasting because of its unpredictability and very hight path loss.

In addition it is useless for the Ku-band (12–18 GHz) and Ka-band (26–40 GHz) commonly used for satellite TV!

You see, rabinoz has admitted everything is underground cable system, but not satellites.

I did not "admit everything is underground cable system, but not satellites." Learn to read what is written!
For a start, I never mentioned "underground cable system" in that post! So stop making false quotes and stop deceiving people.

The ping times you gave were for under-sea cables between continents and I showed a map of those submarine cables.

Look under the map! Submarine Cable Map of the world - there can you read that!

Quote from: wise on July 13, 2019, 11:11:34 PM

You see, rabinoz has admitted everything is underground cable system, but not satellites.

I did not "admit everything is underground cable system, but not satellites." Learn to read what is written!
For a start, I never mentioned "underground cable system" in that post! So stop making false quotes and stop deceiving people.

The ping times you gave were for under-sea cables between continents and I showed a map of those submarine cables.

Look under the map! Submarine Cable Map of the world - there can you read that!

I meant Submarine Cable Map, what has changed? You have showed submarine cablo map as internet. They are under ground in grounds and submarine in oceans. What has changed? Nothing.

There are cables that make up most of the internet backbone. There are satellites that also deliver internet to people who do not have ground-based access to the internet. Both things can exist, they are not mutually exclusive.

Quote from: rabinoz on July 14, 2019, 02:35:54 AM

Quote from: wise on July 13, 2019, 11:11:34 PM

You see, rabinoz has admitted everything is underground cable system, but not satellites.

I did not "admit everything is underground cable system, but not satellites." Learn to read what is written!
For a start, I never mentioned "underground cable system" in that post! So stop making false quotes and stop deceiving people.

The ping times you gave were for under-sea cables between continents and I showed a map of those submarine cables.

Look under the map! Submarine Cable Map of the world - there can you read that!

I meant Submarine Cable Map, what has changed? You have showed submarine cablo map as internet. They are under ground in grounds and submarine in oceans. What has changed? Nothing.

This is about sarellite tv and you should provide transmitter locations.

Quote from: turtles on July 12, 2019, 01:26:24 AM

I'm getting deja vu here, already been asking wise for how the ground transmitters faking the satellites work, where are they, how he has been detecting them, why some northern dishes don't point north towards their nearest ground transmitter, what do the transmitter antenna look like, etc.

Predictably at this point he starts ignoring me.

I am constantly repying similar questions with same way. But you and others are constantly claiming same baseless claims. What is new here other than dejavu for yourself?

What baseless claims? I asked you "how the ground transmitters faking the satellites work, where are they, how he has been detecting them, why some northern dishes don't point north towards their nearest ground transmitter, what do the transmitter antenna look like, etc". I've made no claims at all there, I'm asking you to provide information about your claims.

With no reply we can be confident there is no alternative explanation to satellites above the round earth equator.

You can receive satellite tv signal anywhere in north america, as long as you have line of sight to the satellite.  You could be in the mountains of Colorado, 100 miles from anything (no cell signal or internet) and still receive the tv signal.   Same goes for satellite radio as well.
I use the mountains of Colorado as an example because the mountains would block any other land based transmission method.

With a $30 USB SDR you can download images from passing weather satellites yourself,
which also requires you follow them with the antenna.

As far as geostationary, and every other satellite goes, the frequencies they employ are useless for long range terrestrial propagation.