All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy

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Spanky

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All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« on: January 15, 2019, 11:13:24 PM »
As we all know, cars record the distance it travels. At the same time, GPS shows us the distance between locations. As the Earth is actually flat,  it is impossible that the GPS shows the right distance between two regions all the time. If the distance recorded by the car or measured by ruler is different from what the GPS says, it will be very obvious. Therefore, cars and rulers must be controlled by advanced technology that their measurements fit the GPS map.

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rabinoz

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Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2019, 12:31:59 AM »
As we all know, cars record the distance it travels. At the same time, GPS shows us the distance between locations. As the Earth is actually flat,  it is impossible that the GPS shows the right distance between two regions all the time. If the distance recorded by the car or measured by ruler is different from what the GPS says, it will be very obvious. Therefore, cars and rulers must be controlled by advanced technology that their measurements fit the GPS map.
I can attest to that as I have driven around Australia quite a bit in a vehicle with a accurate odometer.
The vehicle on the first examples below was a Landcruiser LC100.

I have driven a number of times from Balladonia Roadhouse (at 32.35S to 123.62E) to Eucla (at 31.68S 128.88E) and if you look at a map you will find it runs nearly straight and West to East.
There was a very short side trip but the distances measured for the whole trip were:
         car oddo 532 km, Garmin GPS 531.5 km and the direct distance (not following the road) 503 km.
         on the usual FE map, the direct distance would be about 1250 km, a 2.5 times the direct distance or 2.35 times the road distance

Then there was Warakurna Roadhouse (25.04 S, 128.30 E) to Leonora, Western Australia (28.88 S, 121.33 E) along the "Great Central Road".
The road distances were:
         car oddo 901 km, Garmin GPS 901 km and Google Maps 894 km (there was a short diversion) and
         the straight line distance is 812 km but
         the direct distance on the usual FE map is 1,640 km, just over twice the direct distance and 1.8 times the measured road distance.
The smaller error was because there was significant North to South travel as well.

But the "strange" thing is that the FE map is about right in a north-south direction but grossly in error in the east-West direction.

So maybe cars do have this "advanced technology ::)" as in:
Therefore, cars and rulers must be controlled by advanced technology that their measurements fit the GPS map.
Does anyone have a better suggestion.

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Spanky

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Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2019, 12:39:50 AM »
Australia doesnt exist

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rabinoz

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Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2019, 12:47:41 AM »
Australia doesnt exist
That's not the whole story. Australia does not exist in the Northern Hemiplane but in the Southern Hemisphere.

Checkmate Everyone! Australia's around the other side.

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Spanky

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Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2019, 12:55:18 AM »
But even in this case the distance in norway and singapore will be very different right?

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rabinoz

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Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2019, 01:42:50 AM »
But even in this case the distance in norway and singapore will be very different right?
I've been in Norway but never had an opportunity to do comparable measurements but I would much smaller differences.

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Spanky

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Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2019, 02:50:59 AM »
Norway has a lattitude of around N60. Singapore has a lattitude of around 0.
cos 60 degrees is 0.5
90-60/90 is 0.33333
Norway should be shrinked by 0.33333/0.5=0.666667 times in real world than on GPS compared to Singapore.

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boydster

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Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2019, 04:03:53 AM »
That's just silly. Nothing should be "shrinked."
Come play a game of Werepenguin Two-Night Stand!

https://werepenguin.space/index.php?topic=57.0

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Spanky

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Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2019, 04:41:41 AM »
Well it must have shrinked if your flat Earth map is real

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rabinoz

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Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2019, 05:05:04 AM »
Norway has a lattitude of around N60. Singapore has a lattitude of around 0.
cos 60 degrees is 0.5
90-60/90 is 0.33333
Norway should be shrinked by 0.33333/0.5=0.666667 times in real world than on GPS compared to Singapore.
Why? It doesn't work like that at all.




A GPS unit simply gives the latitude and longitude of each point.
How that is interpreted by the associated mapping program depends on the "map" used by that mapping program.
Some enterprising flat-earther could write such a mapping programming using a "flat-earth map" but then those distances would not match the "real earth".

The diagram on the right is of a 10 wide segment of the "Ice Wall" map on the left and the Globe on the right.

The big problem is that on the Globe the width of each degree of longitude starts at zero at the North Pole, increases gradually to 111 km/degree at the equator the gradually reduces back to zero at the South Pole as shown on the right part of the diagram to the right.

But on the "Ice Wall map"  the width of each degree of longitude starts at zero at the North Pole and starts out increasing at the same rate but increases linearly till the spacing is it is 174.5 km/deg at the equator and 349 km/deg at the "edge" as shown on the left part of the diagram to the right.

     

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Spanky

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Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2019, 05:37:52 AM »
 Imagine the Earth is a sphere, which is similar to the truth. Let the circumfence of the Earth at the equator be xkm.
Now consider Norway with a latitude of N60.
The circumfence parallel to the equator at N60 would be cos60xkm in the sphere. Which is 0.5xkm.
Now consider the flat Earth, assume the circumfence at the equator is still xkm, the circumfence at N60 would be 0.33333xkm.
So the ratio of circumfence would be 0.66666times. As Norway occupy the same degree segment, it would shrink by 0.66666 times. Which complies to your diagram.
But what I don't know is that why the width of each degree on the flat Earth map is 174.5 km on the equator. Can't it be any arbitary value? If you use flat Earth map, the distance are going to be wrong anyway.

Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2019, 06:00:05 AM »
As we all know, cars record the distance it travels. At the same time, GPS shows us the distance between locations. As the Earth is actually flat,  it is impossible that the GPS shows the right distance between two regions all the time. If the distance recorded by the car or measured by ruler is different from what the GPS says, it will be very obvious. Therefore, cars and rulers must be controlled by advanced technology that their measurements fit the GPS map.
I can attest to that as I have driven around Australia quite a bit in a vehicle with a accurate odometer.
The vehicle on the first examples below was a Landcruiser LC100.

I have driven a number of times from Balladonia Roadhouse (at 32.35S to 123.62E) to Eucla (at 31.68S 128.88E) and if you look at a map you will find it runs nearly straight and West to East.
There was a very short side trip but the distances measured for the whole trip were:
         car oddo 532 km, Garmin GPS 531.5 km and the direct distance (not following the road) 503 km.
         on the usual FE map, the direct distance would be about 1250 km, a 2.5 times the direct distance or 2.35 times the road distance

Then there was Warakurna Roadhouse (25.04 S, 128.30 E) to Leonora, Western Australia (28.88 S, 121.33 E) along the "Great Central Road".
The road distances were:
         car oddo 901 km, Garmin GPS 901 km and Google Maps 894 km (there was a short diversion) and
         the straight line distance is 812 km but
         the direct distance on the usual FE map is 1,640 km, just over twice the direct distance and 1.8 times the measured road distance.
The smaller error was because there was significant North to South travel as well.

But the "strange" thing is that the FE map is about right in a north-south direction but grossly in error in the east-West direction.

So maybe cars do have this "advanced technology ::)" as in:
Therefore, cars and rulers must be controlled by advanced technology that their measurements fit the GPS map.
Does anyone have a better suggestion.

But hang on, we have a problem here. Your route from Balladonia Roadhouse to Eucla extends over 5.26 degrees of longitude. Taking your most pessimistic (i.e. largest) distance figure of 532km, that means each degree of longitude there is 101.14km. This appears to be less than the documented 111km at the equator.

Rowbotham (Earth Not a Globe) says:

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The following is the true state of the question:--If the earth is a globe, it is certain that the degrees of longitude are less on both sides of the equator than upon it. If the degrees of longitude are less beyond, or to the south of the equator, than upon it, then it is equally certain that the earth is globular" (my emphasis)

So if your figures are right then Rowbotham is saying the earth must be a globe. How interesting.

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rabinoz

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Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2019, 02:09:17 PM »
But hang on, we have a problem here. Your route from Balladonia Roadhouse to Eucla extends over 5.26 degrees of longitude. Taking your most pessimistic (i.e. largest) distance figure of 532km, that means each degree of longitude there is 101.14km. This appears to be less than the documented 111km at the equator.

Rowbotham (Earth Not a Globe) says:

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The following is the true state of the question:--If the earth is a globe, it is certain that the degrees of longitude are less on both sides of the equator than upon it. If the degrees of longitude are less beyond, or to the south of the equator, than upon it, then it is equally certain that the earth is globular" (my emphasis)

So if your figures are right then Rowbotham is saying the earth must be a globe. How interesting.
Should we then co-author a learned paper on that possibility?

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rabinoz

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Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2019, 02:30:08 PM »
Imagine the Earth is a sphere, which is similar to the truth. Let the circumfence of the Earth at the equator be xkm.
Now consider Norway with a latitude of N60.
The circumfence parallel to the equator at N60 would be cos60xkm in the sphere. Which is 0.5xkm.
Now consider the flat Earth, assume the circumfence at the equator is still xkm, the circumfence at N60 would be 0.33333xkm.
So the ratio of circumfence would be 0.66666times. As Norway occupy the same degree segment, it would shrink by 0.66666 times. Which complies to your diagram.
But what I don't know is that why the width of each degree on the flat Earth map is 174.5 km on the equator. Can't it be any arbitary value? If you use flat Earth map, the distance are going to be wrong anyway.
You really need to learn a bit about "Flat Earth Theory" before you jump in and try to debunk it.

"The Flat Earth Society Wiki" states:
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The Ice Wall
The figure of 24,900 miles is the diameter of the known world; the area which the light from the sun affects.
And this 24,900 miles is 40,073 km which I've rounded down to 40,000 km (That's more accurate anyway as "The Earth's meridional circumference is 40,008 km").

So if you look at the "Ice Wall" map of the earth:
You can easily see that the radius of the Equator Circle is 10,000 km.
Hence its circumference is 2 x π x 10,000 = 62,832 km hence 1 of longitude at the equator spans 62,832/360 = 174.5 km.

Re: All cars and rulers are part of the conspiracy
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2019, 02:38:41 PM »
But hang on, we have a problem here. Your route from Balladonia Roadhouse to Eucla extends over 5.26 degrees of longitude. Taking your most pessimistic (i.e. largest) distance figure of 532km, that means each degree of longitude there is 101.14km. This appears to be less than the documented 111km at the equator.

Rowbotham (Earth Not a Globe) says:

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The following is the true state of the question:--If the earth is a globe, it is certain that the degrees of longitude are less on both sides of the equator than upon it. If the degrees of longitude are less beyond, or to the south of the equator, than upon it, then it is equally certain that the earth is globular" (my emphasis)

So if your figures are right then Rowbotham is saying the earth must be a globe. How interesting.
Should we then co-author a learned paper on that possibility?

Perhaps if we wait long enough, someone will come along and peer review the idea right here on this forum. Should be interesting.