Let’s examine the mundane

FE believers love to get to grips with the moon landings, NASA, the ISS(despite being able to see it quite clearly) What they are not so good on is the mundane and every day.


Satellites have long been a bug bear of flatino belief in that its one of the many things that puts the no into flatino. They, satellites that is, are now so common and due to technological innovations such as you find in your smart phone have become much much smaller. Launches that used to put one large satellite into orbit can now put multiple smaller ones into various orbits.


This company for example with its satellite imagery services, or photography from space is pretty mundane.


https://www.digitalglobe.com/products/earthwatch


How can flatinos still say no?

As with many conspiracy theories and intellectually dishonest people in arguments on many topics, evidence for the position they choose to take is gospel; evidence against is fake.

As with many conspiracy theories and intellectually dishonest people in arguments on many topics, evidence for the position they choose to take is gospel; evidence against is fake.

And that appears to be the "official policy": The Flat Earth Society Wiki, Place of the Conspiracy in FET.
And:

Flat Earth FAQ - Please Read! « Reply #1, People have been into space. How have they not discovered that the earth is flat?

The most commonly accepted explanation of this is that the space agencies of the world are involved in a conspiracy faking space travel and exploration. This likely began during the Cold War's 'Space Race', in which the U.S.S.R and USA were obsessed with beating each other into space to the point that each faked their accomplishments in an attempt to keep pace with the others supposed achievements. However, since the end of the Cold War, the conspiracy is most likely motivated by greed rather than political gains. Thus opening up a tremendous amount of funds to embezzle as it only takes a fraction of the total budget to fake space travel.

In light of the above, please note that we are not suggesting that space agencies are aware that the earth is flat and actively covering the fact up. They depict the earth as being round simply because that is what they expect it to be.

I will not debate several topics because my understanding of the subject is lacking.
I could do some copy pasting on the matter, because certain flatearthers do comment on subjects like satelites, but it would be debating about things i don't feel comfertable with.

But let's examine the globeearth motivations to debate on a flatearth forum.

1 You are truly 100% convinced about the spinning sphere, space travel and all involved discoveries and claims.
There is not a single doubt about any of the claims not now or in the foreseeable future.
It's like the air you breath.....a given !

If that's the case i can partly understand that you'll try to convince people denying reality, but only to some extent.
When it becomes clear that the indoctrination of the flatearth fairytale is without cure a sane person simply continues into other directions, sharing reality, conviction and science with those who are actually open to some sort of argument and willingness to learn.
For the long time posters over here who defend the globe it feels like they are inside a madhouse shouting to the unconscious patients ''you are crazy'' on a daily basis.
No one benefits from that i believe....

2 You are mostly convinced about the spinning sphere, space travel and all involved discoveries and claims.
But sometimes you seek conformation about what you know/hope is true, because certain claims in cosmology and space travel sound indeed a bit over the top at times.
Debating flatearthers provides comfort, because their claims are far more outlandish than anything on display by the scientific authorities which strenghtened your convictions.
But you keep coming back, because deep down you simply can't get rid of that last bit of doubt that keeps creeping back into your consciousness.
Topic upon topic you try to convince yourself about the truly ludricous claims of the flatearth anti cosmology bandwagon, but never ever their insane answers are enough for you to give it all a rest and continue with your life in a more rewarding fashion.

I believe option 2 can be the only valid explanation based on how the human psyche works.
Could be wrong, but i am sure a psychologists will confirm my statements.
So what's it all about ? time to share what's really bothering you instead of giving the same old lame answers about your true motivation to participate over here ?

For brevity I'll delete bits that are irrelevant to my reply.

But let's examine the globeearth motivations to debate on a flatearth forum.

1 You are truly 100% convinced about the spinning sphere, space travel and all involved discoveries and claims.
There is not a single doubt about any of the claims not now or in the foreseeable future.
It's like the air you breath.....a given !

One can certainly be convinced that the Heliocentric Solar System is the correct explanation for the "shape and motion" of the earth without tacking all that other stuff.
So "and all involved discoveries and claims. There is not a single doubt about any of the claims not now or in the foreseeable future. It's like the air you breath.....a given " is unnecessary twaddle

I generally accept the direct observations of astronomy and read with interest modern cosmology but that is vastly different from:
"all involved discoveries and claims. There is not a single doubt about any of the claims not now or in the foreseeable future".

If that's the case i can partly understand that you'll try to convince people denying reality, but only to some extent.
When it becomes clear that the indoctrination of the flatearth fairytale is without cure a sane person simply continues into other directions, sharing reality, conviction and science with those who are actually open to some sort of argument and willingness to learn.

Dutchy, not everyone here is incurably indoctrinated like you.
There are few that have been here a while and ask questions that can be answered and then there are quite a few newcomers that are confused about either "flat earth theory" or "Globe earth theory".
A big problem is that there are few flat-earthers that will step in to give good flat-earth answers even in Q&A where "Globe answers" are not allowed.
Boydster, myself and even JackBlack have stepped and given flat-earth answers as honestly as we can. Maybe you could help ?

I try to answer each honestly and when some "angry Globularist" tries to debunk the flat earth using incorrect arguments for either model I or others try to "sort them out". (Sorry but this bit got a bit long).

It is interesting that most newcomers are now anti-flat-earth, though often with mixed ideas about both the flat earth and the Globe.
I imagine they got their silly ideas about the flat earth from the many flat-earth videos around. Take a look at those by M. Bens and D. Marble.

2 You are mostly convinced about the spinning sphere, space travel and all involved discoveries and claims.
But sometimes you seek conformation about what you know/hope is true, because certain claims in cosmology and space travel sound indeed a bit over the top at times.
Debating flatearthers provides comfort, because their claims are far more outlandish than anything on display by the scientific authorities which strenghtened your convictions.
But you keep coming back, because deep down you simply can't get rid of that last bit of doubt that keeps creeping back into your consciousness.
Topic upon topic you try to convince yourself about the truly ludricous claims of the flatearth anti cosmology bandwagon, but never ever their insane answers are enough for you to give it all a rest and continue with your life in a more rewarding fashion.

I believe option 2 can be the only valid explanation based on how the human psyche works.
Could be wrong, but i am sure a psychologists will confirm my statements.

All I can say is that if you "believe option 2 can be the only valid explanation based on how the human psyche works" then you have no more idea about "how the human psyche works" than you have about general relativity.

And you seem totally unable to explain the simplest observations on your flat earth. All your evidence seems to be, "But it looks flat".

Then if you want what psychologists think:
         PsychologyToday, Flat Earthers: Belief, Skepticism, and Denialism, When people reject facts, what do they really believe? and
         ASSOCIATION FOR PSYCHOLOGICAL SCIENCE, I Believe, So . . . There By Wray Herbert
Be careful what you ask for. You might find it in spades!

I will not debate several topics because my understanding of the subject is lacking.
I could do some copy pasting on the matter, because certain flatearthers do comment on subjects like satelites, but it would be debating about things i don't feel comfertable with.

But let's examine the globeearth motivations to debate on a flatearth forum.

1 You are truly 100% convinced about the spinning sphere, space travel and all involved discoveries and claims.
There is not a single doubt about any of the claims not now or in the foreseeable future.
It's like the air you breath.....a given !

If that's the case i can partly understand that you'll try to convince people denying reality, but only to some extent.
When it becomes clear that the indoctrination of the flatearth fairytale is without cure a sane person simply continues into other directions, sharing reality, conviction and science with those who are actually open to some sort of argument and willingness to learn.
For the long time posters over here who defend the globe it feels like they are inside a madhouse shouting to the unconscious patients ''you are crazy'' on a daily basis.
No one benefits from that i believe....

2 You are mostly convinced about the spinning sphere, space travel and all involved discoveries and claims.
But sometimes you seek conformation about what you know/hope is true, because certain claims in cosmology and space travel sound indeed a bit over the top at times.
Debating flatearthers provides comfort, because their claims are far more outlandish than anything on display by the scientific authorities which strenghtened your convictions.
But you keep coming back, because deep down you simply can't get rid of that last bit of doubt that keeps creeping back into your consciousness.
Topic upon topic you try to convince yourself about the truly ludricous claims of the flatearth anti cosmology bandwagon, but never ever their insane answers are enough for you to give it all a rest and continue with your life in a more rewarding fashion.

I believe option 2 can be the only valid explanation based on how the human psyche works.
Could be wrong, but i am sure a psychologists will confirm my statements.
So what's it all about ? time to share what's really bothering you instead of giving the same old lame answers about your true motivation to participate over here ?

You prove the whole point of my post. You avoid addressing the everyday. Why not contact the company I provided a link to that supplies imagery from its satellites?


Are you claiming the company or the many it  are all fake?


If so what is your claim based on?


You could, rather than get caught up in all the NASA nonsense you love to swim in, is go and find out about the company and others like it. Satellite imagery is big business.


Flatinos are only interested in certain things they can make a fuss about, like the thread they claim proves the earth is flat! The evidence they give, which for some reason excited you, was a bit of gold foil covered material wrapped around a section of support members?


Talk about scrapping the barrel!

Dutchy,
That last post of yours was well thought out, comprehensive, and really good.

What drives a globetard to post on a flatard forum is an interesting and relevant question. After all, it's like a neverending debate, with never a winner or loser.

It's like science challenging religion. People have a spiritual side which involves an element of faith, and you can't argue against religious faith with scientific facts.

I will not debate several topics because my understanding of the subject is lacking.

Hey dude, that's never stopped you before.

*off topic ramblings removed*

OK, why don't you tell us how a $300B satellite industry exists without satellites?

How does this vast, nebulous and endless conspiracy exist without even hint of a whistleblower?

Say you're an engineer training up for some role within the industry - such as designing satellite systems, or leverage GPS or building new satellite dishes or whatever.  At what point does your boss take you in the backroom and go "At this point we need to tell you that satellites don't exist and your job, not to mention the entire industry, is a sham.  However we'll keep paying you $100k from all this money The Conspiracy give us.  Oh, and the the earth is flat.  You coming out for team drinks tonight?"

I will not debate several topics because my understanding of the subject is lacking.
I could do some copy pasting on the matter, because certain flatearthers do comment on subjects like satelites, but it would be debating about things i don't feel comfertable with.

But let's examine the globeearth motivations to debate on a flatearth forum.

1 You are truly 100% convinced about the spinning sphere, space travel and all involved discoveries and claims.
There is not a single doubt about any of the claims not now or in the foreseeable future.
It's like the air you breath.....a given !

If that's the case i can partly understand that you'll try to convince people denying reality, but only to some extent.
When it becomes clear that the indoctrination of the flatearth fairytale is without cure a sane person simply continues into other directions, sharing reality, conviction and science with those who are actually open to some sort of argument and willingness to learn.
For the long time posters over here who defend the globe it feels like they are inside a madhouse shouting to the unconscious patients ''you are crazy'' on a daily basis.
No one benefits from that i believe....

2 You are mostly convinced about the spinning sphere, space travel and all involved discoveries and claims.
But sometimes you seek conformation about what you know/hope is true, because certain claims in cosmology and space travel sound indeed a bit over the top at times.
Debating flatearthers provides comfort, because their claims are far more outlandish than anything on display by the scientific authorities which strenghtened your convictions.
But you keep coming back, because deep down you simply can't get rid of that last bit of doubt that keeps creeping back into your consciousness.
Topic upon topic you try to convince yourself about the truly ludricous claims of the flatearth anti cosmology bandwagon, but never ever their insane answers are enough for you to give it all a rest and continue with your life in a more rewarding fashion.

I believe option 2 can be the only valid explanation based on how the human psyche works.
Could be wrong, but i am sure a psychologists will confirm my statements.
So what's it all about ? time to share what's really bothering you instead of giving the same old lame answers about your true motivation to participate over here ?

No
Me and that green guy are here to make fun of you.

Quote from: dutchy on January 13, 2019, 03:01:26 PM

I will not debate several topics because my understanding of the subject is lacking.
I could do some copy pasting on the matter, because certain flatearthers do comment on subjects like satelites, but it would be debating about things i don't feel comfertable with.

But let's examine the globeearth motivations to debate on a flatearth forum.

1 You are truly 100% convinced about the spinning sphere, space travel and all involved discoveries and claims.
There is not a single doubt about any of the claims not now or in the foreseeable future.
It's like the air you breath.....a given !

If that's the case i can partly understand that you'll try to convince people denying reality, but only to some extent.
When it becomes clear that the indoctrination of the flatearth fairytale is without cure a sane person simply continues into other directions, sharing reality, conviction and science with those who are actually open to some sort of argument and willingness to learn.
For the long time posters over here who defend the globe it feels like they are inside a madhouse shouting to the unconscious patients ''you are crazy'' on a daily basis.
No one benefits from that i believe....

2 You are mostly convinced about the spinning sphere, space travel and all involved discoveries and claims.
But sometimes you seek conformation about what you know/hope is true, because certain claims in cosmology and space travel sound indeed a bit over the top at times.
Debating flatearthers provides comfort, because their claims are far more outlandish than anything on display by the scientific authorities which strenghtened your convictions.
But you keep coming back, because deep down you simply can't get rid of that last bit of doubt that keeps creeping back into your consciousness.
Topic upon topic you try to convince yourself about the truly ludricous claims of the flatearth anti cosmology bandwagon, but never ever their insane answers are enough for you to give it all a rest and continue with your life in a more rewarding fashion.

I believe option 2 can be the only valid explanation based on how the human psyche works.
Could be wrong, but i am sure a psychologists will confirm my statements.
So what's it all about ? time to share what's really bothering you instead of giving the same old lame answers about your true motivation to participate over here ?

No
Me and that green guy are here to make fun of you.

Yes you are ...and my green little buddy is always fun to chat with.
Especcially when saterdaynight is near......then he’s going to play for the local drunks who admire him deeply despite his mediocre guitar skills.... but he doesn’t really like me to bring up that subject 

I was adressing the likes of rabinoz and their own morally approved reasons of participating over here.....

Yep, Saturday night with the drunks...

Warming up on my Skynyrd licks!

Yep, Saturday night with the drunks...

Warming up on my Skynyrd licks!