Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?

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Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« on: January 12, 2019, 07:16:32 PM »
If the earth is flat, it should be easy to make an undistorted map on a flat sheet of paper where the distances between cities and continents are correct, continents are all properly sized with respect to each other, and the scale is constant throughout.

Over the decades (long before sputnik, before NASA) surveyors and cartographers set out to measure and make maps, using whatever instruments they had. But the maps they came up with were distorted -- they never came up with an undistorted flat earth map.

What are the possible reasons no one has made such a map?

Here are two possibilities I can think of.   I would like to know from anyone on this forum of any other possibilities anyone would like to present.

Possibility 1: There is no undistorted flat earth map on a flat sheet of paper because it's impossible if the surface you are mapping is not flat.

Possibility 2: The surveyors and cartographers measurements indeed were compatible with the earth being flat, but they were part of a vast conspiracy to purposely distort their results to make their maps appear as if the earth is not flat.

What other possibilities are there that I might have overlooked?

And also, for the second possibility -- what would have been the motivation to purposely deceive people into thinking the earth is round?

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Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2019, 07:55:40 PM »
Globes are printed on flat cardboard and then bent into a ball.

Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2019, 09:06:27 PM »
Bullwinkle, I'm beginning to thing you are just a troll.  You just make random comments, throw a little fuel on fires, but never actually contribute.  Like  now.

If you have a useful answer, let's hear it.

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Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2019, 09:17:10 PM »
Bullwinkle, I'm beginning to thing you are just a troll.


I don't care what you thing.  ::)

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Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2019, 11:52:01 PM »
Globes are printed on flat cardboard and then bent into a ball.

Correct:



I'm a sucker for 50's info reels.

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Bullwinkle

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Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2019, 12:20:48 AM »


I'm a sucker for 50's info reels.


You know the dude smearing plaster got paid 3 times more than the birds doing the precision work and he got to squeeze their boobs and pat their butts during breaks.


Ahhh, the 50's   ;D

Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2019, 04:24:31 AM »
This is an easy one to answer, in a word, impossible. There are no accurate FE maps, pretend ones yes, but not real ones.


Putting aside all the various illustrative projections, flatinos love to get caught up in that evenlthough it’s totally irrelevant.


To make an alternative map would require different positions for some if not all the land masses. I’ve asked these questions a number of times and have never had an answer......which land masses are in the wrong position? How do you know this? How do aircraft and ships manage to arrive at their chosen destinations using current GPS derived data? I would imagine if maps were wrong people would be getting lost the whole time!

Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2019, 10:37:45 AM »
Lonegranger, your response supports possibility 1 originally listed.

Bullwinkle and Stash: Neither has addressed the question.

Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2019, 03:08:58 PM »
Lonegranger, your response supports possibility 1 originally listed.

Bullwinkle and Stash: Neither has addressed the question.


What I stated was not a possibility, it was a fact.  An alternative  flat earth map is an impossibility.


Where are the errors in our current maps? Are flight landing in the wrong locations? Do ships get lost at sea due to GPS being wrong?


Flat earth types can dispute many things, but the one thing they can’t is the validity of our current maps.

Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2019, 04:05:45 PM »
Yes Lonegranger. Of course "possibility 1" is the only one that makes sense. I stated those two as "possibilities" in order to try to get the FE'ers to state why they think we don't have a map.

I don't expect any of them to have an answer. And so far they are meeting my expectations.

Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2019, 09:13:42 AM »
I asked this question a couple of weeks ago.

Not a single flat-earth believer has tried to answer it.  Only Bullwinkle has responded, and that was his normal non-contributing, trolling answer --not addressing the question at all.

So Scepti, Wise, Sandokhan, Jonn Davis and others --- Let's have a real answer to the question.

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Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2019, 08:33:46 AM »
Not a single flat-earth believer has tried to answer it. 
Because it is bloody exhausting to keep doing so. Not a FEer here, just a long term user.

Counter-proposal: go make a round Earth map. I don't mean just copy the existing map, because FEers can't do that, I mean make it yourself from scratch. After all, that's what you're asking FEers to do.
The reasons why you might struggle with that are the reasons they will.

This is a non-issue. Regardless of the shape of the Earth, the userbase of a random forum are not going to have the resources to map out the entire world.
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Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2019, 09:56:36 AM »
Not a single flat-earth believer has tried to answer it. 
Because it is bloody exhausting to keep doing so. Not a FEer here, just a long term user.

Counter-proposal: go make a round Earth map. I don't mean just copy the existing map, because FEers can't do that, I mean make it yourself from scratch. After all, that's what you're asking FEers to do.
The reasons why you might struggle with that are the reasons they will.

This is a non-issue. Regardless of the shape of the Earth, the userbase of a random forum are not going to have the resources to map out the entire world.
Start with a basic shape, use direct flight times as a rough start.

Openstreetmap for detail, GPS for accurate repeatable locations. angle of sun will help as well.

OK?

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Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2019, 10:01:32 AM »
Start with a basic shape, use direct flight times as a rough start.

Openstreetmap for detail, GPS for accurate repeatable locations. angle of sun will help as well.

OK?
Flight times give an approximation of distance (with huge error), not angle.
Openstreetmap and GPS are... you're literally just saying "Go use a map." That's not helping.
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Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2019, 03:04:44 PM »
I asked this question a couple of weeks ago.

Not a single flat-earth believer has tried to answer it.  Only Bullwinkle has responded, and that was his normal non-contributing, trolling answer --not addressing the question at all.

So Scepti, Wise, Sandokhan, Jonn Davis and others --- Let's have a real answer to the question.
It’s because a flat earth map is an impossibility. How could there be,for an example an alternative map of the continental USA? Which city do you think they would would need to relocate? New York or LA? Orhow about if they relocated the rockies or Great Lakes?.....if not the USA how about Russia?.......
Any talk of an alternative map is just an example of rejecting reality. Anyone who thinks an alternative map is possible should possibly get out more.

Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2019, 04:19:49 PM »
Platonius, if you already know the answer, why did you pose the question? I get the impression  you're only here to try and make flat earthers feel like fools.

The fun of flat earth is there is no single flat earth map on a flat surface. That's part of the mystery for flat earthers. They themselves, are not satisfied with official explanations so are open to all suggestions. Remember, they only believe what their own eyes and own experiments tell them.


Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2019, 04:25:53 PM »
Platonius, if you already know the answer, why did you pose the question? I get the impression  you're only here to try and make flat earthers feel like fools.

The fun of flat earth is there is no single flat earth map on a flat surface. That's part of the mystery for flat earthers. They themselves, are not satisfied with official explanations so are open to all suggestions. Remember, they only believe what their own eyes and own experiments tell them.

Are you saying they drive with their eyes closed?

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Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2019, 06:06:28 PM »
Maybe the mapmakers were experiencing "missing time". big maybe, sure, but it's been known to happen, perhaps it happens to people probing the unknown more often...? Further more, if time can dialate, perhaps space could as well.
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Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2019, 06:08:19 PM »
I definitely believe there are supernatural forces in the world keepin some things obscured. I believe this is a good thing and for our best interests. I believe there is simply so much mystery in the world, and some of it is "heavenly secrets".
« Last Edit: February 08, 2019, 06:10:10 PM by faded mike »
"Using our vast surveillance system, we've uncovered revolutionary new information..."
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theoretical formula for Earths curvature = 8 inches multiplied by (miles squared) = inches drop from straight forward

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Re: Why do YOU think there is no accepted flat earth map?
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2019, 05:03:54 AM »
Remember, they only believe what their own eyes and own experiments tell them.
Bollocks.  Most of the ones here are just pretending, and the rest have believed what some idiotic youtube videos have told them, not "experiments". 
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