It's always going to be vastly more
Yes, because you have provided nothing.
If you had evidence or rational arguments to back up you or rational arguments to refute what we were saying, then it wouldn't be vastly more.
As for what, evidence showing you are wrong, rational, consistent explanations to describe what is occurring, and rational arguments which show your claims are complete nonsense and contradictory.
You admit yourself you can't verify anything against what I'm saying.
No, stop lying.
I have stated quite explicitly that I have actually performed experiments which show you are wrong.
So no, I have verified against what you are saying. I know it is wrong from my own experiences.
But the best I can provide you is a video and a recount of my experiences, which you already have plenty of and reject.
Meanwhile, you have refused to do these experiments.
Contradicting myself as in what?
I have explained that repeatedly.
You claim that the resistance to motion is based upon displacing air and that the force required is based upon displacing air, but then instead claim it has momentum and can keep going without any extra force, but then claim objects need to keep having an application of force or they stop dead, but then claim that they can keep going without an application of force.
You are repeatedly contradicting yourself.
And of course you main objection to rockets working in space which requires you accepting that in order to accelerate the rocket you need a force, while rejecting that and claiming it is only resistance to the air that requires the force.
I have repeatedly explained these contradictions, as have others, yet you just ignore them.
You admit above your evidence is based on nothing that shows a truth. It's cognitive dissonance.
Again, stop lying.
I admit my evidence is not enough to provide YOU with 100% certainty.
It is based upon things which show the truth, just not enough to convince you with 100% certainty.
I care for the truth.
If you actually cared you wouldn't be spouting so much baseless garbage.
At most you would be saying that you don't accept what is being presented.
Your repeatedly baseless claims about how things allegedly work, which is self contradictory and backed by nothing other than more baseless claims from you shows you do not care about the truth at all.
That's why we are arguing it on here, because none of us know the absolute truth. We have to go on what stories were fed to us and pick the bones out of it.
You argue for the facts of the story without knowing the facts.
Again, stop acting like everyone is as ignorant as you.
Just because you refuse to do experiments or try to understand doesn't mean no one has.
Plenty of us know the truth from personal experience and are not just relying upon stories.
I argue the story to find out what are the facts and what are the fiction.
You rejecting the facts doesn't mean we can't know them.
I've already said a springboard launch and shut down of acceleration still carries momentum of it until it slows to a stop. before acceleration back down.
I've never detracted from that at any time.
You have repeatedly detracted from that by claiming a rocket wouldn't do the same and have its momentum carry it on until it slows to a stop.
What's happening is you people refusing to actually understand what I'm saying, whether it's deliberate or inability to grasp it. I'm not too sure.
It's pretty simple.
No, what's actually happening is you refusing to understand the equivalence between these 2 situations and continually contradicting yourself by pretending they are fundamentally different and operate via vastly different physics.
If you want us to accept what you are saying you need an explanation for why these should operate with magically different physics.
So let's test it out.
Again, WE HAVE!
You have made it clear that you will never accept any evidence presented.
If it is a video, you will dismiss it as fake/CGI.
If it is just an recount of what happened, you will dismiss it as a story.
You will accept nothing we provide you.
The only thing you will accept is a test physically performed in front of you, and even that is questionable.
But you have refused to do the experiments.
Springboard effect in motion. 509 mph acceleration and momentum from that.
This is not what I'm arguing.
That statement makes no sense. 509 mph is a velocity not an acceleration.
This does not support your claim at all.
What we see in the video is a rocket starting off at a speed of 0, and then accelerate up to a speed of 509 archaic units per hour until its engine cuts off after which it slows down.
We don't see an initial springboard launch followed by constant speed.
So this shows you are completely wrong.
I am not arguing against horizontal thrust on a car or a rocket on wheels. I'm arguing about vertical
Yes you are.
Your argument for a vertical rocket works exactly the same for a horizontal one.
Until you can provide a valid justification for why physics should magically change between horizontal and vertical motion, they are the same argument.
As such, every time you argue against a rocket going vertical you are also making the same argument against one going horizontal, and every time you say it is fine going horizontal you are contradicting yourself.
How about bringing up a real video that scuppers my claims so I have no comeback.
You mean like the video you already commented on which clearly shows a continuous acceleration until the engine stops after which it then slows down, unlike your baseless claim of a magic launch to constant velocity and then stopping dead?
That sure seems to scupper your BS.