Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)

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Re: Holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2019, 03:24:14 PM »
The centers are as many as the number of people in the world.

There is no practical reason to limit it to humans.
Earth has many other living beings as well.
They also see Sun, Moon, stars, clouds, land, sea...
Migrating species use either Sun, or Earth's magnetic field, or ocean streams, or whatever.

Now, if we get back to humans, which coordinate system will use a guy on vacation
in Angola to describe position of Jupiter's satellite Calisto to a guy in Mongolia?
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Re: Holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2019, 04:56:35 PM »
That everyone is central is different from that there is no center.
There are many people, but no one can get into another's mind.
We only live in our own minds.
The same is true of non-human creatures.
Everything lives in their own universe.

Therefore, there are so many worlds.
But they become a world in harmony.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2019, 05:00:06 PM by zorbakim »
The conceptual earth is round, but the sensory earth is flat.

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Re: Holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2019, 05:37:55 PM »
That everyone is central is different from that there is no center.
Yes, one literally makes no sense unless everyone is at one point.

Everything lives in their own universe.
While we all have our own interpretation and experience of the universe, it is the one universe that is shared. Otherwise we would be unable to interact.

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Re: Holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2019, 06:15:45 PM »
He didn't say that at all.

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Re: Holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2019, 06:16:20 PM »
That everyone is central is different from that there is no center.
Yes, one literally makes no sense unless everyone is at one point.

Everything lives in their own universe.
While we all have our own interpretation and experience of the universe, it is the one universe that is shared. Otherwise we would be unable to interact.

Can you evidence this statement:
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Otherwise we would be unable to interact.

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Re: Holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2019, 11:56:46 PM »
That everyone is central is different from that there is no center.
There are many people, but no one can get into another's mind.
We only live in our own minds.
The same is true of non-human creatures.
Everything lives in their own universe.

Therefore, there are so many worlds.
But they become a world in harmony.

Do things out of anybody's mind exist?
Do things care if they are in someone's mind or not?
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Re: Holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2019, 12:55:49 AM »
Can you evidence this statement:
If we do not exist in the same universe we would be isolated from one another and unable to interact.
In order to interact we need to exist in the same place in some way.

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Re: Holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2019, 07:09:00 AM »
That everyone is central is different from that there is no center.
Yes, one literally makes no sense unless everyone is at one point.

Everything lives in their own universe.
While we all have our own interpretation and experience of the universe, it is the one universe that is shared. Otherwise we would be unable to interact.

Can you evidence this statement:
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Otherwise we would be unable to interact.

John, I knew this place four years ago.
I learned a lot here.
Thank you for your efforts.
But we have to find a new model to explain the phenomena.
I found a new flat earth model, not a disk.

The world shape is not a matter of map, but a matter of time and space.
The answer is a holographic multiverse.


It is in line with ancient world views.
My model can explain everything about the current phenomena.
I have already published a Korean book and am translating some of it into English.
I hope it will help.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2019, 07:59:43 AM by zorbakim »
The conceptual earth is round, but the sensory earth is flat.

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Re: Holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2019, 07:17:30 AM »
That everyone is central is different from that there is no center.
There are many people, but no one can get into another's mind.
We only live in our own minds.
The same is true of non-human creatures.
Everything lives in their own universe.

Therefore, there are so many worlds.
But they become a world in harmony.

Do things out of anybody's mind exist?
Do things care if they are in someone's mind or not?

We can't know beyond our own minds.
It's just the realm of our imagination and conjecture.
I only know my mind and my senses.
What's clear is that this world is my senses.
Beyond my senses is the realm of imagination and conjecture.
The conceptual earth is round, but the sensory earth is flat.

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Re: Holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2019, 07:22:02 AM »
Can you evidence this statement:
If we do not exist in the same universe we would be isolated from one another and unable to interact.
In order to interact we need to exist in the same place in some way.
I want to ask you.
How can you perceive the world without you?
So what's the first thing?
The conceptual earth is round, but the sensory earth is flat.

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2019, 07:43:55 AM »
So I changed the title of this post.
The holographic universe and the multiverse prove that I am the center of the universe.

It is the exact opposite of current cosmology, but it can explain current phenomena exactly.
After all, it is a matter of choice.
The choice of whether you are insignificant or the main character.
In the end, it is up to you.

In other words, worldview is not a matter of geometry, but of values.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2019, 08:05:54 AM by zorbakim »
The conceptual earth is round, but the sensory earth is flat.

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Re: Holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2019, 04:52:18 PM »
I want to ask you.
How can you perceive the world without you?
So what's the first thing?
Without yourself you are unable to do anything.
But without you, other people can still perceive the world.

But we have to find a new model to explain the phenomena.
Why? What is wrong with the current model?
A RE explains the known phenomena quite well.

It is only if you are desperately clinging to a FE that you need a new model.

What's clear is that this world is my senses.
No, what is clear is you use your senses to observe the world.
Again, this doesn't mean the world is your senses.

The holographic universe and the multiverse prove that I am the center of the universe.
So far they are nothing more than baseless claims and such prove nothing.
But you are yet to even establish that they prove that you are the centre of the universe.

It is the exact opposite of current cosmology, but it can explain current phenomena exactly.
Again, another baseless claim.

How about you stop with the baseless claims are start trying to back up your claims?

After all, it is a matter of choice.
The choice of whether you are insignificant or the main character.
i.e. you can't deal with reality so you escape to fantasy. You value your own arrogance and imaginary importance over the truth?
And again, even your nonsense doesn't indicate you are the main character. Instead it only has you as the main character in your delusional fantasy world. To every one else you are not the main character and instead they are. You are still just as insignificant.

In other words, worldview is not a matter of geometry, but of values.
Yes, do you value the truth and thus accept the current cosmology, or are you too arrogant to admit you are an insignificant part of the the universe and need cling to delusions?

I pick the truth.

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Re: Holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2019, 11:49:36 PM »
That everyone is central is different from that there is no center.
There are many people, but no one can get into another's mind.
We only live in our own minds.
The same is true of non-human creatures.
Everything lives in their own universe.

Therefore, there are so many worlds.
But they become a world in harmony.

Do things out of anybody's mind exist?
Do things care if they are in someone's mind or not?

We can't know beyond our own minds.
It's just the realm of our imagination and conjecture.
I only know my mind and my senses.
What's clear is that this world is my senses.
Beyond my senses is the realm of imagination and conjecture.

Beyond your senses is your communication with other people around and comparison with their senses.

Don't tell me that you don't understand when someone else tells you: "I don't like this food" or "there's a mouse in the kitchen".
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2019, 10:46:54 AM »
The above two presuppose an outside world that has nothing to do with me.
Of course, that's a very common idea.
But that doesn't mean it's true.

Truth is in conformity with nature or divine providence.
After all, the truth has to fit both science and religion.
There is an observer effect in quantum mechanics.
So is most religious teachings.

"You're the son of God and the hero of the world."
The conceptual earth is round, but the sensory earth is flat.

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2019, 03:32:38 PM »
The above two presuppose an outside world that has nothing to do with me.
As it involves interacting with you it has a lot to do with you.

But that doesn't mean it's true.
So you think we are all figments of your imagination?

Truth is in conformity with nature or divine providence.
No. Truth is in conformity with nature. It has nothing to do with divine garbage.

After all, the truth has to fit both science and religion.
No, science is the search for truth. Religion is just garbage. Truth does not need to fit religion and frequently shows religions (or parts thereof) to be wrong.

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2019, 04:13:26 PM »
Truth is in conformity with nature or divine providence.
After all, the truth has to fit both science and religion.
I would say that truth does fit both true science and true religion.
But so far no one claims that anyone knows all of true science and there are many interpretations of what is true religion.
Have a look at: Science and Religion: Two Books by Kelly James Clark'.

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2019, 04:55:21 PM »
The above two presuppose an outside world that has nothing to do with me.
Of course, that's a very common idea.
But that doesn't mean it's true.

Truth is in conformity with nature or divine providence.
After all, the truth has to fit both science and religion.
There is an observer effect in quantum mechanics.
So is most religious teachings.

"You're the son of God and the hero of the world."

Recently, my interest in your threads has increased. That's because I started believing in simulation theory. That made me close to your thoughts. in this process, I try to understand the points where the Homocentric universe and simulation theory converge and dissociate.

It is clear that the story of this world is fabricated. I've said this before. I am one of the 7 billion people in this world. much smarter people have lived, much richer people have lived. I have discovered a few different types of immortality. I say, this problem should be discussed and resolved before I live. this is proof that the world is fabricated. I think that we will accelerate the process if we share new findings. Never mind the globularists. Think about my writings. they're just a waste of time.

The classic human body password in the world is energy consumption.There is no life time concept. There are total energy concept. At the beginning of life, people are given a certain energy. I was given a total energy and options were offered for me to use. The main factors affecting the life span according to energy usage are as follows.

E: Total energy. constant.

physical mass: if this value increases, the life time decreases.

intelligence: if this value increases, the life time decreases.


power: if this value increases, the life time decreases.

wealth: if this value increases, the life time decreases.

ambition: if this value increases, the life time decreases.

sport/mobility: if this value increases, the life time decreases.

We can increase the list. The first 3 factors I have marked as bold character offered for me; I have added the remained lines as I predicted them.

One thing that I think is that the sun's rotation is equal to one day. So, if we turn around the earth in the same direction as the sun, does the time stop for us?

Another question was on my mind but I forgot now. I think they wanted me to forget that. I will add when I remember. ;)
1+2+3+...+∞= 1

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2019, 05:19:36 PM »
I have discovered a few different types of immortality. I say, this problem should be discussed and resolved before I live. this is proof that the world is fabricated.
The only type of immortality that exists is having you live on as a story or otherwise having your life remembered.
Not having any real immortality doesn't prove this world is fabricated. All it proves is that people fear death.

The classic human body password in the world is energy consumption.There is no life time concept. There are total energy concept. At the beginning of life, people are given a certain energy. I was given a total energy and options were offered for me to use. The main factors affecting the life span according to energy usage are as follows.
No, there are a multitude of factors which determine life span. Energy is typically an insignificant one.
You only run out of energy through starvation.
The more relevant factors for lifespan are disease and your body wearing out as it is incapable of properly repairing itself.

One thing that I think is that the sun's rotation is equal to one day.
You mean a day is roughly 86400 seconds, as defined by the average amount of time it takes for the sun to reach the same meridian.
This isn't exact.

So, if we turn around the earth in the same direction as the sun, does the time stop for us?
Potentially, in the sense that you may wipe out all life on Earth so with us no longer existing time doesn't mean anything for us.

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2019, 05:20:14 PM »
 ::)  :)
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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2019, 09:38:27 PM »
The above two presuppose an outside world that has nothing to do with me.
Of course, that's a very common idea.
But that doesn't mean it's true.

Truth is in conformity with nature or divine providence.
After all, the truth has to fit both science and religion.
There is an observer effect in quantum mechanics.
So is most religious teachings.

"You're the son of God and the hero of the world."

hehehe

So:
Where did your divine providence put your cosciousness?
Is it in some physical body?
Where is that body?
Is is surrounded by something?
Is that body vulnerable?
By what?

Also:
Are the other people, Earth, Moon, Sun, planets, stars, ... all in your mind?
Or we all exist the way you do?
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2019, 04:16:48 AM »
The above two presuppose an outside world that has nothing to do with me.
Of course, that's a very common idea.
But that doesn't mean it's true.

Truth is in conformity with nature or divine providence.
After all, the truth has to fit both science and religion.
There is an observer effect in quantum mechanics.
So is most religious teachings.

"You're the son of God and the hero of the world."

Recently, my interest in your threads has increased. That's because I started believing in simulation theory. That made me close to your thoughts. in this process, I try to understand the points where the Homocentric universe and simulation theory converge and dissociate.

It is clear that the story of this world is fabricated. I've said this before. I am one of the 7 billion people in this world. much smarter people have lived, much richer people have lived. I have discovered a few different types of immortality. I say, this problem should be discussed and resolved before I live. this is proof that the world is fabricated. I think that we will accelerate the process if we share new findings. Never mind the globularists. Think about my writings. they're just a waste of time.

The classic human body password in the world is energy consumption.There is no life time concept. There are total energy concept. At the beginning of life, people are given a certain energy. I was given a total energy and options were offered for me to use. The main factors affecting the life span according to energy usage are as follows.

E: Total energy. constant.

physical mass: if this value increases, the life time decreases.

intelligence: if this value increases, the life time decreases.


power: if this value increases, the life time decreases.

wealth: if this value increases, the life time decreases.

ambition: if this value increases, the life time decreases.

sport/mobility: if this value increases, the life time decreases.

We can increase the list. The first 3 factors I have marked as bold character offered for me; I have added the remained lines as I predicted them.

One thing that I think is that the sun's rotation is equal to one day. So, if we turn around the earth in the same direction as the sun, does the time stop for us?

Another question was on my mind but I forgot now. I think they wanted me to forget that. I will add when I remember. ;)

Interesting. Your story is similar to the Eastern yin-yang principle.
The principle I pursue is yin-yang.
I Ching will be helpful.
The conceptual earth is round, but the sensory earth is flat.

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2019, 04:19:08 AM »
God is not transcendent but intrinsic.
Man is the image of God.
Don't try to find God in the distance.
The conceptual earth is round, but the sensory earth is flat.

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« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2019, 04:22:10 AM »
God is not transcendent but intrinsic.
Man is the image of God.
You have that the wrong way around. God is the image of man.
There is nothing about reality which makes god intrinsic.

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2019, 04:30:05 AM »
God is not transcendent but intrinsic.
Man is the image of God.
You have that the wrong way around. God is the image of man.
There is nothing about reality which makes god intrinsic.
The thoughts and actions we are doing are divine.
Don't just think of superpowers childishly.
The conceptual earth is round, but the sensory earth is flat.

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2019, 04:37:39 AM »
One thing that I think is that the sun's rotation is equal to one day. So, if we turn around the earth in the same direction as the sun, does the time stop for us?

Another question was on my mind but I forgot now. I think they wanted me to forget that. I will add when I remember. ;)

Not exactly, because the ground is moving.
The movement of space is that time passes.
Time and space are the same.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2019, 04:39:14 AM by zorbakim »
The conceptual earth is round, but the sensory earth is flat.

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2019, 07:52:23 AM »
One thing that I think is that the sun's rotation is equal to one day. So, if we turn around the earth in the same direction as the sun, does the time stop for us?

Another question was on my mind but I forgot now. I think they wanted me to forget that. I will add when I remember. ;)

Not exactly, because the ground is moving.
The movement of space is that time passes.
Time and space are the same.

Ground is not moving. Otherwise we could feel it phsically. neither in the simulation model nor in the Homocentric universe does not need such a thing. You have to change this thought.
1+2+3+...+∞= 1

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« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2019, 07:56:23 AM »
One thing that I think is that the sun's rotation is equal to one day. So, if we turn around the earth in the same direction as the sun, does the time stop for us?

Another question was on my mind but I forgot now. I think they wanted me to forget that. I will add when I remember. ;)

Not exactly, because the ground is moving.
The movement of space is that time passes.
Time and space are the same.

Ground is not moving. Otherwise we could feel it phsically. neither in the simulation model nor in the Homocentric universe does not need such a thing. You have to change this thought.
Is the sun and the moon moving?

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2019, 12:11:38 PM »
One thing that I think is that the sun's rotation is equal to one day. So, if we turn around the earth in the same direction as the sun, does the time stop for us?

Another question was on my mind but I forgot now. I think they wanted me to forget that. I will add when I remember. ;)

Not exactly, because the ground is moving.
The movement of space is that time passes.
Time and space are the same.

Ground is not moving. Otherwise we could feel it phsically. neither in the simulation model nor in the Homocentric universe does not need such a thing. You have to change this thought.
Is the sun and the moon moving?

What can it be else? ???
1+2+3+...+∞= 1

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #58 on: June 03, 2019, 02:18:08 PM »
The thoughts and actions we are doing are divine.
Don't just think of superpowers childishly.
You are the one thinking childishly here, believing in pure fantasy.
Nothing we do is divine.
I see no need to act like a child and cling to religious nonsense.

Ground is not moving. Otherwise we could feel it phsically.
No, you wouldn't.
This is because you don't feel motion in general.
Instead you feel acceleration, or more correctly, you feel a force acting through your body, i.e. where one part of your body applies a force to another part.
The acceleration of Earth is so slight you will not feel it, but it has been measured plenty of times.

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Re: Homocentric universe(天圓地方, round sky and square earth)
« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2019, 02:29:12 PM »
The thoughts and actions we are doing are divine.
Don't just think of superpowers childishly.
You are the one thinking childishly here, believing in pure fantasy.
Nothing we do is divine.
I see no need to act like a child and cling to religious nonsense.

Ground is not moving. Otherwise we could feel it phsically.
No, you wouldn't.
This is because you don't feel motion in general.
Instead you feel acceleration, or more correctly, you feel a force acting through your body, i.e. where one part of your body applies a force to another part.
The acceleration of Earth is so slight you will not feel it, but it has been measured plenty of times.

Yes, I would. In order to prevent this from being said, the acceleration of all particles must be at a certain rate, not equal, and in a complex formula, so that I will not notice their movement. you cannot establish such a complex order in a world with a single speed and acceleration.
1+2+3+...+∞= 1