These Are The People Who Made The Globe Lie

I have lived near the beach for 18 years and never ever remotely saw a shipmast sinking below an imaginary curve....

It's clear that you base your conclusions on exceptions instead of common things. If you saw the sea often enough, you would know that ships dissapear bottom first. You can make pictures of that almost every day.

Quote from: dutchy on November 03, 2018, 01:44:35 AM

I have lived near the beach for 18 years and never ever remotely saw a shipmast sinking below an imaginary curve....

It's clear that you base your conclusions on exceptions instead of common things. If you saw the sea often enough, you would know that ships dissapear bottom first. You can make pictures of that almost every day.

Really ?
That’s why i repeatedly brought up the ancient Greeks with no camera available.
When gazing towards the horizon they saw how shipmasts sank over the horizon....appearently.
And this was also taught in elementary school.
Surprise, surprise..... no one i know, including myself had such an experience by simply using their eyes.

But you want to take it to the level of a camera ?
It totally depends on the weather conditions how refraction, looming come into play and i have seen pictures online with structures well beyond the curvature that only can be explained by a phenomena like ‘superiour mirage’ ( magical flip flopping mirage that puts the distant city where one would expect it to be on a flat earth) .
I phenomena that know one really knew before Jonathan Nowicki took pictures accross lake Michigan from Chicago. Even the professional weather man was caught be surprise when he took notice of this exotic phenomena at play,.... more like a shock really 

Now go to the shore the coming year without a camera and without blinking your eyes tell me you could indeed see a shipmast sink below an imaginary curvature.
THEN we’ll discuss what happens when camera’s come into play.

Quote from: Pete®tje on November 03, 2018, 11:18:06 PM

Quote from: dutchy on November 03, 2018, 01:44:35 AM

I have lived near the beach for 18 years and never ever remotely saw a shipmast sinking below an imaginary curve....

It's clear that you base your conclusions on exceptions instead of common things. If you saw the sea often enough, you would know that ships dissapear bottom first. You can make pictures of that almost every day.

Really ?
That’s why i repeatedly brought up the ancient Greeks with no camera available.
When gazing towards the horizon they saw how shipmasts sank over the horizon....appearently.
And this was also taught in elementary school.
Surprise, surprise..... no one i know, including myself had such an experience by simply using their eyes.

But you want to take it to the level of a camera ?
It totally depends on the weather conditions how refraction, looming come into play and i have seen pictures online with structures well beyond the curvature that only can be explained by a phenomena like ‘superiour mirage’ ( magical flip flopping mirage that puts the distant city where one would expect it to be on a flat earth) .
I phenomena that know one really knew before Jonathan Nowicki took pictures accross lake Michigan from Chicago. Even the professional weather man was caught be surprise when he took notice of this exotic phenomena at play,.... more like a shock really 

Now go to the shore the coming year without a camera and without blinking your eyes tell me you could indeed see a shipmast sink below an imaginary curvature.
THEN we’ll discuss what happens when camera’s come into play.

It’s strange how you base your whole belief system on something you think you see rather than what is actually there. You must be the only person in the world who has looked at distant ships and not seen them dip below the horizon. Why do you think every sailing ship would station a lookout in a crows nest high up on the main mast? Why do you think many ancient sea ports would build towers, like those in Cadiz?..  how about lighthouses and how they were designed as a tall tower?...or was all that a conspiracy? They all have one thing in common....what is it and what do you think it’s telling you? Your position of ‘I’m right and the rest of the world is wrong’ does not really stand up when all the evidence is examined .

Quote from: Pete®tje on November 03, 2018, 11:18:06 PM

Quote from: dutchy on November 03, 2018, 01:44:35 AM

I have lived near the beach for 18 years and never ever remotely saw a shipmast sinking below an imaginary curve....

It's clear that you base your conclusions on exceptions instead of common things. If you saw the sea often enough, you would know that ships dissapear bottom first. You can make pictures of that almost every day.

Really ?
That’s why i repeatedly brought up the ancient Greeks with no camera available.
When gazing towards the horizon they saw how shipmasts sank over the horizon....appearently.
And this was also taught in elementary school.
Surprise, surprise..... no one i know, including myself had such an experience by simply using their eyes.

But you want to take it to the level of a camera ?

Sure!

Look from 0:15 on, with two large ships and good visibility.
The nearer ship is a little closer than the horizon but the container ship has all of the hull and most of the containers hidden behind the ocean.

Look at these two screenshots:The camera height is not given but one comment (by a flat-earther) is that it's about 33 ft (or 10 m).
This would make the (refracted) horizon about 12 km away with the nearer ship a little closer.

It totally depends on the weather conditions how refraction, looming come into play and i have seen pictures online with structures well beyond the curvature that only can be explained by a phenomena like ‘superiour mirage’ ( magical flip flopping mirage that puts the distant city where one would expect it to be on a flat earth) .
I phenomena that know one really knew before Jonathan Nowicki took pictures accross lake Michigan from Chicago. Even the professional weather man was caught be surprise when he took notice of this exotic phenomena at play,.... more like a shock really 

Of course "the professional weather man was caught be surprise" because that much of Chicago cannot usually be seen across Lake Michigan.

Now please excuse the copy-n-paste but I'm not going to try to paint Joshua Nowicki's photo on-line  !

Which looks very like Looking toward Chicago - Joshua Nowicki without any acknowledgement. And  Joshua Nowicki's photo was claimed to be a "mirage", though it's not really a mirage, just a bit more refraction than usual, called looming.

This photo shows most of Chicago hidden from 40 miles away.

Here are ten shots of Chicago from viewpoints ranging from 40 miles to 2 miles away:

New Buffalo, MI (40 miles from skyline)

. . . . . . .
Question is, what's hiding the lower part of the city?

Something is hiding the lower part of Chicago in both cases and none should be hidden if the earth were flat - so what is it?

Much of Chicago is visible from 53 miles away and much more is hidden from 40 miles away but that is not the whole story.
The horizon in Joshua Nowicki's photo does show a distinct band that often indicates some exceptional situation.
The other photo has a perfectly clear horizon so I'd put much more weight in that as being accurate.

Now go to the shore the coming year without a camera and without blinking your eyes tell me you could indeed see a shipmast sink below an imaginary curvature.
THEN we’ll discuss what happens when camera’s come into play.

If it were only ships and cities hidden maybe I wouldn't bother but there is so much more involving the:

• apparent movement of the sun, moon planets and stars,
  
  
• the unchanging size of the Sun and Moon as they rise, move across the sky and set and
  
  
• the unchanging size and shape of constellations as the unchanging size of the Sun and Moon as the rise, move across the sky and set.

And much much more!

This is very relevant to the OP because before one discusses the "People Who Made The Globe Lie" one has to prove that the Globe is a lie.

And neither you nor N30 have done that nor can you do that.

It totally depends on the weather conditions how refraction, looming come into play and i have seen pictures online with structures well beyond the curvature that only can be explained by a phenomena like ‘superiour mirage’ ( magical flip flopping mirage that puts the distant city where one would expect it to be on a flat earth) .
I phenomena that know one really knew before Jonathan Nowicki took pictures accross lake Michigan from Chicago. Even the professional weather man was caught be surprise when he took notice of this exotic phenomena at play,.... more like a shock really 

That’s right, Dutchy. 

It was an unusual view, because it depended on specific atmospheric conditions.

If it was because the earth was flat, that would be the normal view on any clear day and wouldn’t have taken anyone by surprise.

You may not like the explanation, but there is an explanation.  It’s  been measured, documented and consistent with standard calculations of light propagation.  You appear to be relying on some instances where it’s possible to see further than you would expect and dismissing the textbook reason. 

But can you explain all the other instances where buildings/ships/whatever clearly are obscured by the horizon?  Let alone all the other simple observations that don’t work on flat earth “models”?

It all needs to work at least as well as the heliocentric model, or none of it works.  That’s how we do science.

Quote from: Pete®tje on November 03, 2018, 11:18:06 PM

Quote from: dutchy on November 03, 2018, 01:44:35 AM

I have lived near the beach for 18 years and never ever remotely saw a shipmast sinking below an imaginary curve....

It's clear that you base your conclusions on exceptions instead of common things. If you saw the sea often enough, you would know that ships dissapear bottom first. You can make pictures of that almost every day.

Really ?
That’s why i repeatedly brought up the ancient Greeks with no camera available.
When gazing towards the horizon they saw how shipmasts sank over the horizon....appearently.
And this was also taught in elementary school.
Surprise, surprise..... no one i know, including myself had such an experience by simply using their eyes.

But you want to take it to the level of a camera ?
It totally depends on the weather conditions how refraction, looming come into play and i have seen pictures online with structures well beyond the curvature that only can be explained by a phenomena like ‘superiour mirage’ ( magical flip flopping mirage that puts the distant city where one would expect it to be on a flat earth) .
I phenomena that know one really knew before Jonathan Nowicki took pictures accross lake Michigan from Chicago. Even the professional weather man was caught be surprise when he took notice of this exotic phenomena at play,.... more like a shock really 

Now go to the shore the coming year without a camera and without blinking your eyes tell me you could indeed see a shipmast sink below an imaginary curvature.
THEN we’ll discuss what happens when camera’s come into play.

I was not talking about Greeks (didn't see where someone said they saw shipmasts disappear behind the horizon with the naked eye but maybe I didn't read well enough). I was talking about only looking at exceptions instead of common things. At sea it's very easy to see that objects far away disappear behind the horizon when your point of view moves from a higher point to closer to sea level. That can be seen every day.
I went to sea with a flat earther who made pics in circumstances which made is possible to photograph objects that should be (partly) behind the horizon (on that day there was quite a large difference between temperature of the air and the sea water).
On the day that we went together, sea level and air had about the same temperature. Nothing of the object could be seen from a lower point of view on the beach.

I call Globe a matrix because it is a very recent reality. Not only ancient Greeks didn't think earth was spherical but even a 100 years ago most people knew it was flat. We are given false History, They need to justify this Globe Matrix so they need official history and sequence of events to back it up. They gave you names such as Copernicus or Newton, but have you met these people? No because they died long ass time ago, so you don't really know what they thought. All I know is that spherical earth is a very new concept its the concept that locked us into this Matrix but luckily it is going away.

Would you believe anyone?
Documents are falsified or fake.
Digital imagery is falsified or fake.
People are all conspiring against you?

Better stay in your basement/ closet.
Thats the safest place for you.

I call Globe a matrix because it is a very recent reality. Not only ancient Greeks didn't think earth was spherical but even a 100 years ago most people knew it was flat. We are given false History, They need to justify this Globe Matrix so they need official history and sequence of events to back it up. They gave you names such as Copernicus or Newton, but have you met these people? No because they died long ass time ago, so you don't really know what they thought. All I know is that spherical earth is a very new concept its the concept that locked us into this Matrix but luckily it is going away.

So what is your proof for that Globe matrix? And how do you know that a spherical earth is a very new concept?

I call Globe a matrix because it is a very recent reality. Not only ancient Greeks didn't think earth was spherical but even a 100 years ago most people knew it was flat. We are given false History,

And we are supposed to belive someone who gets his information third hand from someone who supposedly learned all this from ESP? Bollocks!

They need to justify this Globe Matrix so they need official history and sequence of events to back it up. They gave you names such as Copernicus or Newton, but have you met these people? No because they died long ass time ago, so you don't really know what they thought. All I know is that spherical earth is a very new concept its the concept that locked us into this Matrix but luckily it is going away.

You call the Globe a Matrix because:

• you saw it in a fictional film and
• you read a fictional book about a bloke who wasn't the owner of the Bank of America has some hallucinations, he called ESP, while walking in a forest.

Right?

Now go back to sleep and dream more or you try a walk in the forest and see if you can get some ESP first hand.

But I call the earth a Globe because of all I see around me,
     all the evidence passed down through history starting from the ancient Greeks, 2500 years ago and
     all that fits with the images of earth that we see from space, like this sample from your friendly and reliable source of information about the earth and space :

NASA SCIENCE, SOLAR SYSTEM EXPLORATION: Face of Earth

Source: NASA/NOAA
Published: January 30, 2018
Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR) satellite's EPIC maintains a constant view of the fully illuminated Earth as it rotates, providing scientific observations of ozone, vegetation, cloud height and aerosols in the atmosphere.

About twice a year the camera captures the Moon and Earth together as the orbit of DSCOVR crosses the orbital plane of the Moon.
These images were taken between 3:50 p.m. and 8:45 p.m. EDT showing the moon moving over the Pacific Ocean near North America.
The North Pole is in the upper left corner of the image. It is in the original orientation as taken by the spacecraft.

This image from the Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR) satellite captured a unique view of the Moon as it moved in front of the sunlit side of Earth in 2015.
It shows a view of the farside of the Moon, which faces the Sun. I found this perspective profoundly moving and only through our satellite views could this have been shared.
                                             

- Michael Freilich, Director NASA Earth Science Division

Hope you don't like it!

Bye bye, sleep tight and dream-a-lot!

PS I don't believe distorted third-hand stories about EPS - go and dream up your own!

I don't need to walk in the forest and I wasn't inspired by the movie or book. I always knew the truth. I understand reality. Heleocentrism is a spiritless idea, void of any sense of spiritual understanding. Amadeo Giannini indeed received a vision just like I received one. This is a gift. If you could only do what I do Rab you would be in great shape. But you one part of the herd, you are incapable of independent thought You are a member of NASA herd, and I cull the herd, Jacob Seed said cull the herd. See even video game knows its time for a change. Listen man, I told you this many times man, we differ on how we view science and information. You take the word of NASA as gospel, I have my own visions and my own information. This will never change, So stop posting.

I don't need to walk in the forest and I wasn't inspired by the movie or book. I always knew the truth.

When anyone makes claims like "I always knew the truth" I know they are going to talk utter bunkum, but don't let that stop you.

I understand reality. Heleocentrism is a spiritless idea, void of any sense of spiritual understanding.

Maybe maybe not, but the earth is a massive physical object and its size and shape can and has been determined by physical measurements and observations.
With all you pretence you cannot escape that simply fact!

Amadeo Giannini indeed received a vision just like I received one. This is a gift.

And how many of those that started the numerous religious cults have said exactly the same thing and link where a lot of them ended up!
I and most others take little notice of people who claim to have seen visions of had things revealed by ESP.

If you could only do what I do Rab you would be in great shape.

You really are a joke! You never show the slighest trace of credible evidence to support your claims and expect people to believe you - it ain't going to happen!

But you one part of the herd, you are incapable of independent thought You are a member of NASA herd, and I cull the herd, Jacob Seed said cull the herd. See even video game knows its time for a change. Listen man, I told you this many times man, we differ on how we view science and information. You take the word of NASA as gospel, I have my own visions and my own information. This will never change, So stop posting.

I couldn't care less what YOU told me. You, Mr Pretend New Earth, don't order me or anyone else about!

Bye bye, sweet hallucinations!

PS Just remember that the earth is a huge physical object capable of being observed, measured and photographed but I'll quite accept a spiritual realm in other dimensions is possible.

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Quote from: dutchy on November 02, 2018, 01:31:05 PM

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on November 02, 2018, 11:09:40 AM

Regardless of when it was learned, we now know, without a doubt, that the Earth is indeed a spheroid.

Fact.

For the sake of argument let's follow that kind of reasoning.
We learned to understand for a fact in modern times that the earth is a sphere with a circomference of 25.000 miles.
Why on earth do we keep hearing that this was a more or less known fact for 2500 years ?
Why not simply acknowledge that only through recent developments, techniques and understanding phenomena like refraction we know the earth to be a sphere.
Only propaganda needs to add superlatives ,numbers and ancient super hero's who were far ahead of their current timeframe (Eratosthenes)
'Wow for 2500 years the whole intellectual community knew for a fact the earth was/is a globe'

That in it self is pretty smelly and anyone who cannot let the basics speak for themselves has a shaky conviction.

Are you serious? Are you really lecturing on "let the basics speak for themselves"??

Yes the basics of my conviction are at least free of indoctrination.
I see the earth as flat
I have lived near the beach for 18 years and never ever remotely saw a shipmast sinking below an imaginary curve....
I have seen villages/structures far and beyond the curvature+refraction drop gazing along the absolute flat shoreline of the Netherlands where i live.
I heard stories about fisherman in Katwijk ( lived there) who could see the port of IJmuiden where their boats are on a very good day some 35 km further up the beach.
That is the basic of my flatearth conviction , because the current curvature calculation is simply flatout erronious and i really don't care what others have claimed to alter these facts of observation.

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You, who simply dismisses literally MOUNTAINS of empirical evidence?
You, who provides absolutely ZERO viable evidence for ANY of your claims?

It's not my fault you consider a hypothetical carpenter's  drinking cup unworthy of consideration
I give you evidence in this very post, but you are among those longing for the 'golden cup' , like NASA cgi from outerpace and are willing to destroy everything you see with your own eyes in the process.

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It doesn't look right...

You've got that right...... it looks terrible and every intelligent person should object to this utter nonsense of space related footage that have fakery written all over them.
For crying out loud man..... look at the Tesla in orbit, i cannot believe for a moment you believe that's reality. I really can't.

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He's uncomfortable at a press conference...

That's the least problematic expression...... lying and extremely evasive manouvres are the smoking gun....

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He did or didn't see stars...

At the same spot in cislunar space one astronaut claims to see an occasional star preferable by using optics..... on a later mission an astronaut claims ten times brighter and numerous stars compared to anything ever witinessed during a night on earth when simply looking through the cabine's window.
You should be ashamed of yourself to play down such a very important inconsistancy.

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I'm no expert on ancient Greek history, but I've seen plenty of recorded history posted here on the subject. You completely disregard that, and cry about copy pasting. Like books are evil. Did you burn all yours?

Wiki and books are like Kim Kardeshian and female beauty or a Big Mac and healthy food.
Please , please don't be that ignorant sheep that really believes a computer is all a person needs to keep him/her properly informed about the world and it's history.
The www is like a fastfood chain for knowledge and rabinoz & co think it's the only place to eat.

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Why don't you save it for some other sheep that buy in to your amateur psychoanalysis. Maybe look in the tinfoil isle.

Contrary to others (rabinoz and his co reader audience) i do not care what the effect is upon others.

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Shame, really. You seem to be quite intelligent at times. I can only hope you are just another troll.

Thanks that's the nicest thing you said to me in a very long time !

I would ask dutchy how far from that beach where he lives has he ever been ?
It wouldn't be unusual for a person who has never been to sea or has never looked out to sea in any place other than on a beach at sea level to have never observed the sinking ship disappearing hull first effect .
The view to the horizon would only appear to be 2 or 3 miles and no ships might ever  be that close to the shore.
The sinking ship effect is so common with anyone who has ever been to sea  that it is ridiculous to claim that the earth is flat because you haven't observed it yourself.
I would suggest you should talk to someone who has ever been on a cruise, whether civilian or military about this subject.
 
A Quartrermaster Rating in any Navy in the world would be your best source for information on why the world is not a flat disc, but it is a spheroid shaped globe.
QM's , especially QMC's (Quartermasters who are Chief Petty Officers) have had vast experience and they would be more than happy to set you straight on the subject of global navigation.
Contact your local Naval Installation, whether it be just a local recruiting station, naval  station or ship for a possible contact for information.
That is..If you would really like to learn something.

Just for dutchy's informatiion, I would like to cite a personal experience with evidence of the cutvature of the earth.....that is , the globe.

I served in the U.S. Navy for 4 years. I was a radar technician (ET2)  and I would never consider myself a true sailor.
But this is my experience. When we sailed out of a port, we would notice that as things did get smaller the farther we got out to sea, we did notice that the sea coast or the shore would first pass out of view as it passed over and beyond the horizon and the last thing we would see would be the top of the land. For example, sailing out of San Diego, Pacific Beach would first pass out of view and the last thing we would see would be the top of the old lighthouse atop Point Loma. The next several days all we would see would be the sea all around us, with no land in sight. And as we neared Honolulu, we we would first see the top of Diamond Head,  and as we got nearer, we could  see Waikiki Beach.

If the earth was flat, if we had a powerful enough telescope we should have always had San Diego in sight, all the way down to Pacific Beach up to the top of Point Loma if viewed from the stern of our ship. And we would always have had  Honolulu in sight if viewed from the bow.

But we couldn't. Because the earth is not a flat disc, but is a globe.The horizon was always a clear line where the sea and sky appear to meet. It was very clear on clear, calm, sunny days at sea. And I have since learned that there is an easy way to estimate the distance you can see to the horizon.......The distance in miles is equal to the product of 1.5 (a constant) times the square root of the height of the observer in feet.....For example a person in a boat at sea level can see about 3 miles to the horizon. A person in a crow's nest about 64 feet above sea level can see about 12 miles to the horizon.

If you don't believe me, just talk to any real sailor.

I may be as guilty as rabinov in over explaining examples of things that are evidence that the world is the globe that it is.
But looking back at my childhood and youth days, I had never witnessed the "sinking ship over the horizon" effect.
The closest I had ever been to the ocean were a few visits to the beach at Galveston, Texas, on the Gulf of Mexico.
Due to my short height, I could have probably seen no more than a mile or two the horizon.
It wasn't until I enlisted in the USN and had the opportunity to observe the difference in how far I could see to the horizon whether I was on the beach at Pacific Beach or at the top of Point Loma in San Diego according to my height above the sea.
This was while I was in Recruit Training.
And it wasn't until I had my first sea duty that I observed the "sinking ship" or "sinking land" effect.
So I can understand why you have never observed this phenomenom that shows definite evidence of the curvature of the earth which is proof that the earth is indeed a globe. I'm not trying to make fun of you, dutchy, but I do have sympathy for you because you haven't the opportunity that some of us have had. Check out the sources I have suggested and welcome to the real world - the globe !    :-)

No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.

No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.

I would definitely have to disagree with you. The earth is definitely a globe shaped object in space.

Just a bit of advice to dutchy or any so-called "flat earth believer"........On second thought......Don''t enlist in the Navy.....Any country's Navy.....I'm afraid your so-called "flat earth  beliefs" would be shattered.

No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.

Actually Tesla did not state anywhere that 'earth is a realm'. It's been mis-attributed to him based upon a quote from some guy named Darrell Fox on FB.



The bottom sentence is from Tesla. The original quote by Tesla is from his article “The Problem of Increasing Human Energy with Special References to the Harnessing of the Sun’s Energy”, published by Century Magazine, June 1900.

It was only a figure of speech, emphasizing human togetherness in the energy problem. And obviously, it doesn’t refer to the figure of the Earth, or its motion.

In the same article, Tesla even mentioned the word ‘globe’ no less than 12×.

No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.

Are you saying the ground  I’m standing on is not physical?
Did you perchance speak to Mr Tesla? Do you have a link to that?
And how big is this infinite earth, have you measured it?
Who called it the globe matrix? Was it inspired by the Wachowskis?
I though a globe was a finite form, am I wrong?

What is dutchy's opinion of the Nikon P900 video?

Quote from: New Earth on November 05, 2018, 10:44:48 PM

No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.

Are you saying the ground  I’m standing on is not physical?
Did you perchance speak to Mr Tesla? Do you have a link to that?
And how big is this infinite earth, have you measured it?
Who called it the globe matrix? Was it inspired by the Wachowskis?
I though a globe was a finite form, am I wrong?

Lots of questions here. I will try ti answer. The ground you standing on is indeed physical and solid. However earth as a whole is a realm not a spinning ball in space. If you were to rise high above the earth you would still see only the flat ground, you would never see earth as ball no matter what altitude no matter how far away.  Earth is infinite so why do you ask how big? Infinite that is how big. I don't really wanna go into explaining why I call it Globe Matrix, but search the forums and refer to my earlier posts about 3D vs 5D earth. In short, the world we are on right now is called Globe Matrix, the earth beyond Antarctica is infinite plane. To go beyond Antarctica and explore infinite earth takes interdimensional technology which yes does exist. And no I never met Tesla but neither have you or Rab, so you guys don't know if he believed in spinning ball or not, smart money here says he didn't.

 

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Quote from: New Earth on November 05, 2018, 10:44:48 PM

No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.

Are you saying the ground  I’m standing on is not physical?
Did you perchance speak to Mr Tesla? Do you have a link to that?
And how big is this infinite earth, have you measured it?
Who called it the globe matrix? Was it inspired by the Wachowskis?
I though a globe was a finite form, am I wrong?

Lots of questions here. I will try ti answer. The ground you standing on is indeed physical and solid. However earth as a whole is a realm not a spinning ball in space. If you were to rise high above the earth you would still see only the flat ground, you would never see earth as ball no matter what altitude no matter how far away.  Earth is infinite so why do you ask how big? Infinite that is how big. I don't really wanna go into explaining why I call it Globe Matrix, but search the forums and refer to my earlier posts about 3D vs 5D earth. In short, the world we are on right now is called Globe Matrix, the earth beyond Antarctica is infinite plane. To go beyond Antarctica and explore infinite earth takes interdimensional technology which yes does exist. And no I never met Tesla but neither have you or Rab, so you guys don't know if he believed in spinning ball or not, smart money here says he didn't.

If you want to deny all reality, and live in your own little world of fantasy, that's your problem.
Some of us have to make a living in the real world.
What difference does it really make if some people have some weird ideas ?
I'm still waiting to hear if you ever took up my suggestion and talked to a Navy QMC ?

And no I never met Tesla but neither have you or Rab, so you guys don't know if he believed in spinning ball or not, smart money here says he didn't.

I don't know what he believed, but here's what he wrote. You can decide for yourself, but you might want to hold on to your smart money.

From 'THE PROBLEM OF INCREASING HUMAN ENERGY WITH SPECIAL REFERENCES TO THE HARNESSING OF THE SUN'S ENERGY.’

Nikola Tesla, 1900

"It is a well-known fact that the interior portions of the globe are very hot, the temperature rising, as observations show, with the approach to the center at the rate of approximately 1 degree C. for every hundred feet of depth.”

“...we could certainly avail ourselves in this way of the internal heat of the globe.”

"By realizing such a plan, we should be enabled to get at any point of the globe a continuous supply of energy, day and night.”

"I was confident, however, that with properly designed machinery signals could be transmitted to any point of the globe, no matter what the distance…”

I could go on.

No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.

Globe Matrix?  How is that defined? 

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No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.

Are you saying the ground  I’m standing on is not physical?
Did you perchance speak to Mr Tesla? Do you have a link to that?
And how big is this infinite earth, have you measured it?
Who called it the globe matrix? Was it inspired by the Wachowskis?
I though a globe was a finite form, am I wrong?

Lots of questions here. I will try ti answer. The ground you standing on is indeed physical and solid. However earth as a whole is a realm not a spinning ball in space. If you were to rise high above the earth you would still see only the flat ground, you would never see earth as ball no matter what altitude no matter how far away.  Earth is infinite so why do you ask how big? Infinite that is how big. I don't really wanna go into explaining why I call it Globe Matrix, but search the forums and refer to my earlier posts about 3D vs 5D earth. In short, the world we are on right now is called Globe Matrix, the earth beyond Antarctica is infinite plane. To go beyond Antarctica and explore infinite earth takes interdimensional technology which yes does exist. And no I never met Tesla but neither have you or Rab, so you guys don't know if he believed in spinning ball or not, smart money here says he didn't.

And how did you come to this conclusion about the planet on which we all live?
You do of course realise that live satellite images of our world as well as the live feed from the ISS totally contradict your beliefs.

No Rab and this is a root problem of your wrong claims. Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm, even Tesla knew that. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape. The part of the earth we live on is called Globe Matrix. Yes it is also not a physical object.

No Nikola Tesla did not think that "Earth is not a physical object in space. Earth is more like a realm. Earth is infinite and thus has no defined physical shape".

He was every bit as certain of the Heliocentric Solar System as Kepler Newton, Einstein or even myself - not that my opinion is worth much!

Read Tesla's own words!

What I can't work out is why Tesla seems to be held up as a hero by so many flat earthers.  He certainly did not believe the earth to be flat or stationary! See this address by him:
       HOW COSMIC FORCES SHAPE OUR DESTINIES, ("Did the War Cause the Italian Earthquake") by Nikola Tesla also at
        — How Cosmic Forces Shape Our Destinies — ("Did the War Cause the Italian Earthquake"), New York American, February 7, 1915  in which he states:

Quote from: Nicola Tesla

NATURAL FORCES INFLUENCE US

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Accepting all this as true let us consider some of the forces and influences which act on such a wonderfully complex automatic engine with organs inconceivably sensitive and delicate, as it is carried by the spinning terrestrial globe in lightning flight through space. For the sake of simplicity we may assume that the earth's axis is perpendicular to the ecliptic and that the human automaton is at the equator. Let his weight be one hundred and sixty pounds then, at the rotational velocity of about 1,520 feet per second with which he is whirled around, the mechanical energy stored in his body will be nearly 5,780,000 foot pounds, which is about the energy of a hundred-pound cannon ball.
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The sun, having a mass 332,000 times that of the earth, but being 23,000 times farther, will attract the automaton with a force of about one-tenth of one pound, alternately increasing and diminishing his normal weight by that amount

Though not conscious of these periodic changes, he is surely affected by them.

The earth in its rotation around the sun carries him with the prodigious speed of nineteen miles per second
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This enormous energy is, however, not constant, but varies with the position of the automaton in relation to the sun. The circumference of the earth has a speed of 1,520 feet per second, which is either added to or subtracted from the translatory velocity of nineteen miles through space. Owing to this the energy will vary from twelve to twelve hours by an amount approximately equal to 1,533,000,000 foot pounds, which means that energy streams in some unknown way into and out of the body of the automaton at the rate of about sixty-four horse-power.

But this is not all. The whole`solar system is urged towards the remote constellation Hercules at a speed which some estimate at some twenty miles per second and owing to this there should be similar annual changes in the flux of energy, which may reach the appalling figure of over one hundred billion foot pounds. All these varying and purely mechanical effects are rendered more complex through the inclination of the orbital planes and many other permanent or casual mass actions.
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From the above address.

I could quote numerous other places where Tesla describes some of his "inventions" in such a way that it obvious that he was quite confident that the earth is a huge Globe.

I don't agree with all the Tesla said about this Cosmic Energy "flowing though us" but he certainly did not think that Earth was anything but a huge rotating Globe.

I have also read, though I cannot verify it right now, that one reason Tesla disliked Einstein so much is that he believed that  Einstein destroyed "Newton's gravitation".
From what I can gather, Tesla did not deny Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation, just differed with Einstein's "curved spacetime" explanation of it.

Sure, Nicola Tesla had a lot of "different ideas", but he most certainly did not believe in a flat stationary earth.