You see this seems to me as some very advanced phisics and I haven't enough will to read your links. When someone puts gravity as an argument he is asked to explain exactly how it works. Even when someone really tried to put in short lines how it works it was not good enough. It seems to me you must think that something like this will scare away someone who does not understand it. So you will have to convince me that even you understand exactly how this can produce mentiond effect by explaining this. You cant just call out people to explain to you how something like gravity that is genraly accepted everywhere in the world works, and then put out few links or copy paste something and expect pepole to swallow it as an explanation of your very radical theories. So please, if you are serious put it in your own words how this can produce mentioned effect in vision. If you think I'm going to far out when asking of you to do this then let me remind you: You are so sceptical and paranoid that you belive that entier goverments are plotting huge conspiracies to hold something trivial like earth being round a secret, explain why they would do this by something that is funny to say at least, and base your theories on it. So i think you can accept me being sceptical when you throw out explanation like this and not even care to illustrate it in any way. cheers