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1m Wave block 100m building
« on: October 08, 2018, 06:46:48 AM »
1m high wave at eye level can cover 100m building.
Because the waves are near but the building is far from.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2018, 07:46:45 AM »
That's quite true. But the wave would have to be stationary and permanent to create the illusion of a sharp horizon.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2018, 07:50:24 AM »
Quote from: SpaceCadet on October 08, 2018, 07:46:45 AM
That's quite true. But the wave would have to be stationary and permanent to create the illusion of a sharp horizon.

The base of the wave would also have to be eye level.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2018, 09:09:17 AM »
Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on October 08, 2018, 07:50:24 AM
Quote from: SpaceCadet on October 08, 2018, 07:46:45 AM
That's quite true. But the wave would have to be stationary and permanent to create the illusion of a sharp horizon.

The base of the wave would also have to be eye level.
The thumbnail clearly shows the creator of the video ignored this detail. Now was it intentional or not.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2018, 12:03:41 PM »
Quote from: zorbakim on October 08, 2018, 06:46:48 AM
1m high wave at eye level can cover 100m building.
Whoa! This is a double-edge sword....

Then, if you stand 1m above the wave, you can see the complete building.
The same exact picture can be drawn upside down, and you are demonstrating that with a little elevation you can see far away round horizons. And the more you elevate, the more far away you can look.

Honestly, I cannot understand discussions about horizon, perspective, and useless demonstrations. When I can see the statue of Liberty from the Tour Eiffel, I will be convinced that the Earth is flat.   :)
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Curiouser and Curiouser

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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2018, 12:59:16 PM »
Quote from: Alien on October 08, 2018, 12:03:41 PM
When I can see the statue of Liberty from the Tour Eiffel, I will be convinced that the Earth is flat.   :)



The Statue of Liberty on Pont de Grenelle is visible from the Eiffel Tower. It is the statue on the small area of land above the second bridge from the top. :)
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2018, 01:31:08 PM »
Quote from: zorbakim on October 08, 2018, 06:46:48 AM
1m high wave at eye level can cover 100m building.
Because the waves are near but the building is far from.
Yes, if you are below the wave.
However most people are over 1 m tall, and if you stand above the wave, then it can only block at most 1 m of the building and that is only when it is right next to the building. The further it is from the building the less it blocks until eventually it blocks nothing.

As most people don't take pictures of buildings when they are in the water with their camera at eye level and instead take pictures well above the water level that clearly is not an issue and does not explain why buildings and ships and the like are obscured by the horizon.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2018, 01:42:00 PM »
Quote from: Alien on October 08, 2018, 12:03:41 PM
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Quote from: zorbakim on October 08, 2018, 06:46:48 AM
1m high wave at eye level can cover 100m building.
Whoa! This is a double-edge sword....

Then, if you stand 1m above the wave, you can see the complete building.
The same exact picture can be drawn upside down, and you are demonstrating that with a little elevation you can see far away round horizons. And the more you elevate, the more far away you can look.

Honestly, I cannot understand discussions about horizon, perspective, and useless demonstrations. When I can see the statue of Liberty from the Tour Eiffel, I will be convinced that the Earth is flat.   :)

Just a guess. I would assume you could perform this only if you could lie down in the sand on the beach with your eye at the same level with the bottom of the wave. At any other position, either than even sitting or standing, your eye level would be higher than the top of a 1 meter wave for a person of average height.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2018, 02:27:10 PM »
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on October 08, 2018, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: Alien on October 08, 2018, 12:03:41 PM
When I can see the statue of Liberty from the Tour Eiffel, I will be convinced that the Earth is flat.   :)



The Statue of Liberty on Pont de Grenelle is visible from the Eiffel Tower. It is the statue on the small area of land above the second bridge from the top. :)
That's some funny shit right there. :D
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2018, 04:21:36 PM »
Quote from: MicroBeta on October 08, 2018, 02:27:10 PM
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on October 08, 2018, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: Alien on October 08, 2018, 12:03:41 PM
When I can see the statue of Liberty from the Tour Eiffel, I will be convinced that the Earth is flat.   :)



The Statue of Liberty on Pont de Grenelle is visible from the Eiffel Tower. It is the statue on the small area of land above the second bridge from the top. :)
That's some funny shit right there. :D
This sure looks like the "Statue of Liberty"!

Statue of Liberty, Pont de Grenelle
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2018, 04:25:05 PM »
Quote from: rabinoz on October 08, 2018, 04:21:36 PM
Quote from: MicroBeta on October 08, 2018, 02:27:10 PM
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on October 08, 2018, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: Alien on October 08, 2018, 12:03:41 PM
When I can see the statue of Liberty from the Tour Eiffel, I will be convinced that the Earth is flat.   :)



The Statue of Liberty on Pont de Grenelle is visible from the Eiffel Tower. It is the statue on the small area of land above the second bridge from the top. :)
That's some funny shit right there. :D
This sure looks like the "Statue of Liberty"!

Statue of Liberty, Pont de Grenelle
It looks like it because it is.  That's what makes it so funny...seeing the statue from the tower. :D
« Last Edit: October 08, 2018, 04:26:57 PM by MicroBeta »
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2018, 04:33:28 PM »
Explaining a joke always makes it funnier, dontcha know?
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2018, 08:19:29 PM »
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on October 08, 2018, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: Alien on October 08, 2018, 12:03:41 PM
When I can see the statue of Liberty from the Tour Eiffel, I will be convinced that the Earth is flat.   :)



The Statue of Liberty on Pont de Grenelle is visible from the Eiffel Tower. It is the statue on the small area of land above the second bridge from the top. :)

Well I'll be damned. The earth IS flat after all. Alien, what are we gonna do now?
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2018, 09:25:35 PM »
Quote from: SpaceCadet on October 08, 2018, 08:19:29 PM
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on October 08, 2018, 12:59:16 PM
The Statue of Liberty on Pont de Grenelle is visible from the Eiffel Tower. It is the statue on the small area of land above the second bridge from the top. :)

Well I'll be damned. The earth IS flat after all. Alien, what are we gonna do now?
I don't know about you but I maybe it's time for a good panic.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2018, 11:41:48 AM »
Quote from: SpaceCadet on October 08, 2018, 08:19:29 PM
Well I'll be damned. The earth IS flat after all. Alien, what are we gonna do now?
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zorbakim

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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2018, 04:23:08 PM »
Quote from: SpaceCadet on October 08, 2018, 07:46:45 AM
That's quite true. But the wave would have to be stationary and permanent to create the illusion of a sharp horizon.

There is no need.
Because resolution plays the role.
The average of resolution of human eyes is about 1'.
The resolution of a good camera is about 4~8".
That is enough for waves to cover the building.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2018, 06:05:35 PM »
Quote from: zorbakim on October 09, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: SpaceCadet on October 08, 2018, 07:46:45 AM
That's quite true. But the wave would have to be stationary and permanent to create the illusion of a sharp horizon.

There is no need.
Because resolution plays the role.
The average of resolution of human eyes is about 1'.
The resolution of a good camera is about 4~8".
That is enough for waves to cover the building.
But only if the waves are higher than eye-level. Look at this video from 4:00 esp after 5:10

Flat Earth Conference Debunked - Mark Sargent's Science Challenge, VoysovReason
That video shows a calm sea and a ship just in front of the horizon and another mainly hidden over the horizon.
There's no way to explain that away by "waves", "resolution" or "perspective".

That part of VoysovReason's video was from Nikon P900 debunks flat earth (again)... MCtheEmcee1 and that might be worth looking at.
Thst video was taken from "a place called Collins Rock in the suburb of Woonona, near Wollongong. I estimate I would have been about 10 meters ASL".
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2018, 06:32:56 PM »
Quote from: zorbakim on October 09, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
There is no need.
Because resolution plays the role.
No, it is actually the exact opposite.
If resolution was going to be the issue you would not get a nice sharp horizon. Instead it would be a blur. This has already been explained to you.

Quote from: zorbakim on October 09, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
That is enough for waves to cover the building.
As has already been pointed out, only if your eye level is below the wave.

So far every attempt you have provided has failed, and the videos are blatantly lying about how much is observed and how much you would expect to given the nonsense provided.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2018, 11:03:30 PM »
Critical thinking fail.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2018, 11:18:56 PM »
Quote from: JackBlack on October 09, 2018, 06:32:56 PM
Quote from: zorbakim on October 09, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
There is no need.
Because resolution plays the role.
No, it is actually the exact opposite.
If resolution was going to be the issue you would not get a nice sharp horizon. Instead it would be a blur. This has already been explained to you.

NO.
Our eyes have only one minute of resolution, but we see a distinct horizon in our daily lives.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2018, 11:24:45 PM »
Quote from: rabinoz on October 09, 2018, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: zorbakim on October 09, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: SpaceCadet on October 08, 2018, 07:46:45 AM
That's quite true. But the wave would have to be stationary and permanent to create the illusion of a sharp horizon.

But only if the waves are higher than eye-level. Look at this video from 4:00 esp after 5:10

visibility is too bad.
visibility also blocks sight.
after 5:10, waves and swell block the sight typically.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2018, 01:17:07 AM »
Quote from: zorbakim on October 10, 2018, 11:24:45 PM
Quote from: rabinoz on October 09, 2018, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: zorbakim on October 09, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: SpaceCadet on October 08, 2018, 07:46:45 AM
That's quite true. But the wave would have to be stationary and permanent to create the illusion of a sharp horizon.

But only if the waves are higher than eye-level. Look at this video from 4:00 esp after 5:10

visibility is too bad.
visibility also blocks sight.
after 5:10, waves and swell block the sight typically.
Keep looking.
At 5:10 the little boat is not hidden behind the curve. The visibility is bad but the horizon can be seen past the boat.
But look from 5:17 on, with two large ships and far better visibility.
The closer ship is a little closer than the horizon but the container ship has all of the hull and most of the containers hidden behind the ocean.

There is no way that waves can be hiding that ship. Look at these two screenshots:
         
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2018, 04:22:58 AM »
Quote from: zorbakim on October 10, 2018, 11:18:56 PM
NO.
Our eyes have only one minute of resolution, but we see a distinct horizon in our daily lives.
And do you know what that means? RESOLUTION ISN'T THE ISSUE!
The fact we see a clear horizon instead of a blur shows that resolution is not the issue and instead something else is obstructing the view to the buildings.
Now how about you start addressing your repeated failings, such as again plotting something that should be a horizontal line as a diagonal line; rather than just asserting more nonsense?

Do you expect any sane person to seriously accept what you say?
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2018, 11:21:53 AM »
Quote from: JackBlack on October 11, 2018, 04:22:58 AM
Quote from: zorbakim on October 10, 2018, 11:18:56 PM
NO.
Our eyes have only one minute of resolution, but we see a distinct horizon in our daily lives.
And do you know what that means? RESOLUTION ISN'T THE ISSUE!
The fact we see a clear horizon instead of a blur shows that resolution is not the issue and instead something else is obstructing the view to the buildings.
Now how about you start addressing your repeated failings, such as again plotting something that should be a horizontal line as a diagonal line; rather than just asserting more nonsense?

Do you expect any sane person to seriously accept what you say?

I enjoy watching your frustration when you fail to dominate someone.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2018, 05:59:22 PM »
Quote from: rabinoz on October 11, 2018, 01:17:07 AM
Quote from: zorbakim on October 10, 2018, 11:24:45 PM
Quote from: rabinoz on October 09, 2018, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: zorbakim on October 09, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: SpaceCadet on October 08, 2018, 07:46:45 AM
That's quite true. But the wave would have to be stationary and permanent to create the illusion of a sharp horizon.

But only if the waves are higher than eye-level. Look at this video from 4:00 esp after 5:10

visibility is too bad.
visibility also blocks sight.
after 5:10, waves and swell block the sight typically.
Keep looking.
At 5:10 the little boat is not hidden behind the curve. The visibility is bad but the horizon can be seen past the boat.
But look from 5:17 on, with two large ships and far better visibility.
The closer ship is a little closer than the horizon but the container ship has all of the hull and most of the containers hidden behind the ocean.

There is no way that waves can be hiding that ship. Look at these two screenshots:
         
The curvature of the earth cannot be so small.
That's just the waves and swell.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2018, 06:56:05 PM »
Quote from: zorbakim on October 13, 2018, 05:59:22 PM
The curvature of the earth cannot be so small.
That's just the waves and swell.

Here the waves had to have been inordinately high, like tsunami high, to obscure 84.26 ft at an observation height of 12.1 ft.

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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2018, 08:18:31 PM »
Quote from: zorbakim on October 13, 2018, 05:59:22 PM
The curvature of the earth cannot be so small.
Why not and just what do you mean by small?

Quote from: zorbakim on October 13, 2018, 05:59:22 PM
That's just the waves and swell.
No it isn't. If it was either of those it would be transient. It is quite difficult to be either when the observer is above the height of both.

The most rational conclusion is that Earth is curved and it is this curvature which obstructs the view.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2018, 11:55:50 PM »
Quote from: zorbakim on October 13, 2018, 05:59:22 PM
Quote from: rabinoz on October 11, 2018, 01:17:07 AM
Keep looking.  << I've swapped the video for the original source video >>

Nikon P900 debunks flat earth (again)... by MCtheEmcee1
But look from 0:15 on, with two large ships and far better visibility.
The closer ship is a little closer than the horizon but the container ship has all of the hull and most of the containers hidden behind the ocean.

There is no way that waves can be hiding that ship. Look at these two screenshots:
         
The curvature of the earth cannot be so small.
What do you mean by "the curvature of the earth cannot be so small"?

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That's just the waves and swell.
There is no sign of significant swell in that video. The camera height is not given but one comment (by a flat-earther) is that it's about 33 ft (or 10 m).
This would make the (refracted) horizon about 12 km away with the nearer ship a little closer.

Waves would be visible along the sides of the nearer ship and any long period swell would lift the ships and none of that is visible.

I suggest you try again.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2018, 12:05:23 PM »
Quote from: zorbakim on October 08, 2018, 06:46:48 AM
1m high wave at eye level can cover 100m building.
Because the waves are near but the building is far from.


This is true. I have a working about it, that somewhere in here or another website.

In the simplest term, Although the sight distance is much shorter in a rough sea, you can visually follow a ship up to tens of kilometers in the sea without wind. this may extend equal to the distance to the horizon on the land; if there is no wind.
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Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2018, 01:41:03 PM »
Quote from: wise on October 14, 2018, 12:05:23 PM
This is true. I have a working about it, that somewhere in here or another website.
No it isn't, not in the slightest.
If you wish to claim it is true, deal with all the problems already pointed out with it, don't just spout the same garbage.

Quote from: wise on October 14, 2018, 12:05:23 PM
In the simplest term, Although the sight distance is much shorter in a rough sea, you can visually follow a ship up to tens of kilometers in the sea without wind.
Only if you are high enough, in which case you should be able to follow it indefinitely if it was just wave obstructing your view.
But you can't. Instead the distance you can follow it to is based upon your height as if Earth is curving and blocking your view with a greater height allowing you to see further around the curve.
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