NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament

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Danang

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NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament
« on: September 20, 2018, 02:20:48 AM »
Thank you NASA.. Anyhow anywhat anywhy you cannot resist the truth.

And you globers, please don't cry.  8)
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Re: NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2018, 03:16:50 AM »
Thank you NASA.. Anyhow anywhat anywhy you cannot resist the truth.
Please show the part where NASA says anything about "The Existence of Firmament".

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Re: NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2018, 03:54:46 AM »
Earth has to have a firmament/dome to enable us to survive within it.

A globe with a space vacuum is totally illogical.
A globe with an atmosphere just enclosed around it against a supposed vacuum in which we are told certain elements of it are lost to supposed space, makes no sense at all, no matter how dressed up it becomes.

It makes 100% sense to understand that our survival depends on being encased inside a cell that ensures everything grows and decays within it, as we perceive it.

It's a classic magicians trick.
We all know magicians amaze us with all kinds of mesmerising stuff but most of us know there's a logical explanation as to why and how it comes about.

This type of stuff with a globe is simply on the same type of terms, except people are more or less pushed into a belief of real magic rather than allowing them to grasp that it is just an illusion mixed in with clever sleight of hand and mind.

When you want to keep water from spilling out you put it into a container. You don't tip up your container and pour it on the outside of it.

When a pond freezes over it creates that icy skin with liquid underneath it.
When you leave coffee in a mug to cool, it forms a skin over the liquid.

It does this because it creates its own firmament as it cools.
Earth is no different.

You cannot do it with a convexity.

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rabinoz

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Re: NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2018, 05:20:54 AM »
Earth has to have a firmament/dome to enable us to survive within it.

A globe with a space vacuum is totally illogical.
A globe with an atmosphere just enclosed around it against a supposed vacuum in which we are told certain elements of it are lost to supposed space, makes no sense at all, no matter how dressed up it becomes.
Really? Except that if because the earth is a Globe and because gravitation is real it all works out very nicely, no problem at all.
Sure some of "certain elements" such as hydrogen and helium "are lost to space" when they finally reach the outer atmosphere but there's plenty more where they came from.

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It makes 100% sense to understand that our survival depends on being encased inside a cell that ensures everything grows and decays within it, as we perceive it.
No need for an encasing dome if the escape velocity of the air molecules is much greater than the thermal velocity of those molecules.
A few do escape and some are trapped from the solar wind etc.

Analogy and metaphor can only be taken so far - they do not prove anything.

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It's a classic magicians trick.
We all know magicians amaze us with all kinds of mesmerising stuff but most of us know there's a logical explanation as to why and how it comes about.

This type of stuff with a globe is simply on the same type of terms, except people are more or less pushed into a belief of real magic rather than allowing them to grasp that it is just an illusion mixed in with clever sleight of hand and mind.
But no magic is needed if you believe a little basic physics.

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When you want to keep water from spilling out you put it into a container. You don't tip up your container and pour it on the outside of it.

When a pond freezes over it creates that icy skin with liquid underneath it.
Sure, simply because ice is less dense than liquid water and in many ways water is an almost magic liquid with so many "convenient" properties.

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When you leave coffee in a mug to cool, it forms a skin over the liquid.
Which is totally irrelevant because the skin might for over coffee only because of the milk content and that does little to stop the coffee cooling.
And hot water or black tea or coffee do not form a skin like that.

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It does this because it creates its own firmament as it cools.
Earth is no different.
The Globe earth is quite different and there is no mechanism to form a skin or firmament around it.
You are free to hypothesise whatever yo like over your flat earth.

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You cannot do it with a convexity.
True, convexity has nothing to do with "holding the air in" that is simply gravitation that does that. Gravitation on a flat earth, if it were possible, would do the same.

<< Amended slightly, thanks to Sceppy's suggestion >>
« Last Edit: September 20, 2018, 03:10:44 PM by rabinoz »

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markjo

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Re: NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2018, 06:09:20 AM »
A globe with a space vacuum is totally illogical.
A globe with an atmosphere just enclosed around it against a supposed vacuum in which we are told certain elements of it are lost to supposed space, makes no sense at all, no matter how dressed up it becomes.
Then it's a really good thing that oxygen and nitrogen are not among those gasses lost to space.

When a pond freezes over it creates that icy skin with liquid underneath it.
When you leave coffee in a mug to cool, it forms a skin over the liquid.
What coffee are you drinking? ???  Regardless, a pond doesn't need to be frozen in order to hold on to its water.
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Re: NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2018, 07:30:35 AM »
Danang, NASA lies. NASA are pail illuminati satanist shills that always lies. Their name means "to decieve" in ancient Egyptian (or whatever language). So if they admit to a firmament, then being the compulsive liars they are, there definitely is no firmament and they are pretending there is one to further the conspiracy of being the richest people on the globe (or fl-obe or whatever a flat globe earth thingie is called)

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Re: NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2018, 09:07:23 AM »
Danang, NASA lies. NASA are pail illuminati satanist shills that always lies. Their name means "to decieve" in ancient Egyptian (or whatever language).

No, nasa means "strong" in Ancient Egyptian. "Deceive" means gereg.

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sceptimatic

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Re: NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2018, 09:11:05 AM »
Earth has to have a firmament/dome to enable us to survive within it.

A globe with a space vacuum is totally illogical.
A globe with an atmosphere just enclosed around it against a supposed vacuum in which we are told certain elements of it are lost to supposed space, makes no sense at all, no matter how dressed up it becomes.
Really? Except that if the earth is a Globe and gravitation is real it all works out very nicely, no problem at all.
"IF" being the operative word. A reliance on the sleight of mind tricks, like I said.


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Sure some of "certain elements" such as hydrogen and helium "are lost to space" when they finally reach the outer atmosphere but there's plenty more where they came from.
What outer atmosphere?

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It makes 100% sense to understand that our survival depends on being encased inside a cell that ensures everything grows and decays within it, as we perceive it.
No need for an encasing dome if the escape velocity of the air molecules is much greater than the thermal velocity of those molecules.
A few do escape and some are trapped from the solar wind etc.
How can they escape anything and how can anything be trapped by solar wind. What is solar wind?
It's just magical space stories. Sci-fi, basically.

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Analogy and metaphor can only be taken so far - they do not prove anything.
Yep and it goes for both of us and every other alternate thought process made into speech.
But the "only so far" business only stops going so far when facts come to the fore. And in these cases, there are none.

Quote from: sceptimatic
It's a classic magicians trick.
We all know magicians amaze us with all kinds of mesmerising stuff but most of us know there's a logical explanation as to why and how it comes about.

This type of stuff with a globe is simply on the same type of terms, except people are more or less pushed into a belief of real magic rather than allowing them to grasp that it is just an illusion mixed in with clever sleight of hand and mind.
But no magic is needed if you believe a little basic physics.
A little basic physics as in what?
What you should say is..." a little basic provable physics" not a theory or hypothesis...and not using theory as a close truth because it fits a scientific narrative...because in reality, it does not fit a definitive truth..


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When you want to keep water from spilling out you put it into a container. You don't tip up your container and pour it on the outside of it.
When a pond freezes over it creates that icy skin with liquid underneath it.
Sure, simply because ice is less dense than liquid water and in many ways water is an almost magic liquid with so many "convenient" properties.
Correct. Less dense and that is the key to the skin on anything inside this Earth to finally dome covering it.




Quote from: sceptimatic
When you leave coffee in a mug to cool, it forms a skin over the liquid.
Which is totally irrelevant because the skin might for over coffee only because of the milk content and that does little to stop the coffee cooling.
And hot water or black tea or coffee do not form a skin like that.
I didn't mention hot water.


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It does this because it creates its own firmament as it cools.
Earth is no different.
The Globe earth is quite different and there is no mechanism to form a skin or firmament around it.
You are free to hypothesise whatever yo like over your flat earth.
Correct, there is no mechanism to form a skin on a globe because the globe makes no sense. There simply no foundation for it to happen, unlike a flat/concave/decaying Earth being a holder of everything within and every element/gases stacked within it, upon each other by density/separation/expansion to create the skin/firmament.



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You cannot do it with a convexity.
True, convexity has nothing to do with "holding the air in" that is simply gravitation that does that. Gravitation on a flat earth, if it were possible, would do the same.
Gravitation is a magical word used to keep a globe model alive.
Logic dictates otherwise but......even though I steadfastly refuse to believe in gravity or the globe and the trimmings of it, it doesn't mean I expect you and those like you to not follow it, obviously.

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sceptimatic

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Re: NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2018, 09:15:10 AM »
A globe with a space vacuum is totally illogical.
A globe with an atmosphere just enclosed around it against a supposed vacuum in which we are told certain elements of it are lost to supposed space, makes no sense at all, no matter how dressed up it becomes.
Then it's a really good thing that oxygen and nitrogen are not among those gasses lost to space.
They can't be lost to anywhere except to be trapped within the cell that is Earth.
They make up the layers by density in the atmosphere in the sandwich of more dense to less dense due to expansion which changes the molecular set up of the gases in terms of how we have to perceive them.

When a pond freezes over it creates that icy skin with liquid underneath it.
When you leave coffee in a mug to cool, it forms a skin over the liquid.
What coffee are you drinking? ???  Regardless, a pond doesn't need to be frozen in order to hold on to its water.
Any liquid will skin up whether it's a milk skin on cooling or an ice skin of super cooling...etc.

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markjo

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Re: NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2018, 10:45:15 AM »
Danang, NASA lies. NASA are pail illuminati satanist shills that always lies.
Why do people think that the Illuminati are satanists when the Illuminati were formed to fight superstition and religious influence? 
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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rabinoz

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Re: NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2018, 03:51:29 PM »
Earth has to have a firmament/dome to enable us to survive within it.

A globe with a space vacuum is totally illogical.
A globe with an atmosphere just enclosed around it against a supposed vacuum in which we are told certain elements of it are lost to supposed space, makes no sense at all, no matter how dressed up it becomes.
Really? Except that if BECAUSE the earth is a Globe and BECAUSE gravitation is real it all works out very nicely, no problem at all.
"IF" being the operative word. A reliance on the sleight of mind tricks, like I said.
So sorry, I'll correct that slight oversight!
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Sure some of "certain elements" such as hydrogen and helium "are lost to space" when they finally reach the outer atmosphere but there's plenty more where they came from.
What outer atmosphere?
The atmosphere out past a few hundred kilometres above the surface.

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It makes 100% sense to understand that our survival depends on being encased inside a cell that ensures everything grows and decays within it, as we perceive it.
No need for an encasing dome if the escape velocity of the air molecules is much greater than the thermal velocity of those molecules.
A few do escape and some are trapped from the solar wind etc.
How can they escape anything and how can anything be trapped by solar wind. What is solar wind?
It's just magical space stories. Sci-fi, basically.
I did not say "trapped by solar wind". I said "some are trapped from the solar wind etc". DOn't you have a dictionary?
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solar wind
noun
          the continuous flow of charged particles from the sun which permeates the solar system.
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Analogy and metaphor can only be taken so far - they do not prove anything.
Yep and it goes for both of us and every other alternate thought process made into speech.
But the "only so far" business only stops going so far when facts come to the fore. And in these cases, there are none.
Sure, but you don't present any facts. Facts have to be determined from evidence and measurement.
All you present is ideas from your own imagination and that can be no more than hypotheses.

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It's a classic magicians trick.
We all know magicians amaze us with all kinds of mesmerising stuff but most of us know there's a logical explanation as to why and how it comes about.

This type of stuff with a globe is simply on the same type of terms, except people are more or less pushed into a belief of real magic rather than allowing them to grasp that it is just an illusion mixed in with clever sleight of hand and mind.
But no magic is needed if you believe a little basic physics.
A little basic physics as in what?
What you should say is..." a little basic provable physics" not a theory or hypothesis...and not using theory as a close truth because it fits a scientific narrative...because in reality, it does not fit a definitive truth.
I really wouldn't use the term "proven".
So-called laws of physics like Newton's Laws of Motion have been shown many times to be extremely accurate turn out to be an approximation at extreme velocities.
Likewise Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation has been shown many times to be extremely accurate under conditions on earth.
Newtonian Gravitation (which certainly appear to behave as mass attracting mass) has been demonstrated and measured numerous times, for example see:
Flat Earth Debate / Re: GRAVITY PROOF Message by rabinoz on August 27, 2018, 08:56:40 AM
The "PROOF" is not my word there. Science does not claim to prove things because more precise measurements might show earlier theories to be "approximations".

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When you want to keep water from spilling out you put it into a container. You don't tip up your container and pour it on the outside of it.
When a pond freezes over it creates that icy skin with liquid underneath it.
Sure, simply because ice is less dense than liquid water and in many ways water is an almost magic liquid with so many "convenient" properties.
Correct. Less dense and that is the key to the skin on anything inside this Earth to finally dome covering it.
Except for the slight problem that you have no evidence for this "skin on anything inside this Earth to finally dome covering it" or what it might be made of.

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When you leave coffee in a mug to cool, it forms a skin over the liquid.
Which is totally irrelevant because the skin might for over coffee only because of the milk content and that does little to stop the coffee cooling.
And hot water or black tea or coffee do not form a skin like that.
I didn't mention hot water.
But I did and "hot water" forms no skin and neither does the atmosphere "form any skin" - it just gradually fades out.

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It does this because it creates its own firmament as it cools.
Earth is no different.
The Globe earth is quite different and there is no mechanism to form a skin or firmament around it.
You are free to hypothesise whatever you like over your flat earth.
Correct, there is no mechanism to form a skin on a globe because the globe makes no sense. There simply no foundation for it to happen,
But if gravitation is real, as has been practically demonstrated, a globe makes every sense and a near spherical shape is one of the few stable shapes for bodies of rock etc under the influence of gravitation.

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unlike a flat/concave/decaying Earth being a holder of everything within and every element/gases stacked within it, upon each other by density/separation/expansion to create the skin/firmament.
But without something (such as gravitation) to determine the direction of "down" that makes no sense at all!

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You cannot do it with a convexity.
True, convexity has nothing to do with "holding the air in" that is simply gravitation that does that. Gravitation on a flat earth, if it were possible, would do the same.
Gravitation is a magical word used to keep a globe model alive.
Logic dictates otherwise but......even though I steadfastly refuse to believe in gravity or the globe and the trimmings of it, it doesn't mean I expect you and those like you to not follow it, obviously.
Gravitation may, or may not, be considered magical but something that behaves as mass attraction mass has most certainly been demonstrated numerous time - and that is what we choose to call gravitation.

But, as I've said before, you can "steadfastly refuse to believe in gravity or the globe and the trimmings of it" but whatever you believe there is almost unlimited evidence for "gravitation".

And the bottom line is that if "gravitation" is real then the earth cannot be a finite size and flat and
if Newton's Laws of Motion are anywhere near correct, with a few other observations, it can be shown that the earth cannot be stationary.

But again, the bottom line is that we continue to disagree and it looks like we always shall.

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Danang

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Re: NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2018, 01:04:46 AM »
Danang, NASA lies. NASA are pail illuminati satanist shills that always lies. Their name means "to decieve" in ancient Egyptian (or whatever language). So if they admit to a firmament, then being the compulsive liars they are, there definitely is no firmament and they are pretending there is one to further the conspiracy of being the richest people on the globe (or fl-obe or whatever a flat globe earth thingie is called)

They might insert lies within this new irrefutable evidence. That's our new homework to solve.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2018, 01:06:32 AM by Danang »
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Danang

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Re: NASA Admits The Existence of Firmament
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2018, 01:05:44 AM »
Have a nice weekend, guys. Thanks for the replies.  8)
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