Just Curious

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robintex

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Just Curious
« on: September 12, 2018, 10:26:55 PM »
I could make this a poll.
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?

Any comments ?
« Last Edit: September 12, 2018, 10:30:13 PM by Googleotomy »
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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2018, 11:03:21 PM »
Firmly a round Earther.  I have visited observatories in the past, and intend to visit them in the future.
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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2018, 11:15:38 PM »
I could make this a poll.
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?

Any comments ?



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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2018, 12:14:16 AM »
(2) Yes, once a long time ago. Whitin Observatory at Wellesley College. Ooo's and ahhh's abounded. Pretty amazing. I remember feeling really small, but in a good way. Going to be back that way in October, I may have to make a visit again. Thanks for sticking the idea in my head.

http://www.wellesley.edu/astronomy/whitin

(2) No, open ocean scares me.

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2018, 12:23:23 AM »
I could make this a poll.
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?

Any comments ?
I do vaguely remember someone saying something of the sort but what's the relevance?
 ;D ;D And I owned a 4.3 m boat once and still have a speedboat license - does that qualify? ;D ;D

But, on the topic, I've visited
       Mount Stromlo Observatory (daytime and before the fire),
       the Anglo-Australian Telescope at Siding Springs Observatory (daytime again),
       the Australia Telescope Compact Array at the Narrabri Observatory, an array of six 22-m antennas used for radio astronomy and
       a number amateur observatories at night.

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2018, 09:11:31 AM »
I could make this a poll.
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?

Any comments ?

I am a round earther and have served on a Navy ship.
Matter of fact,  4 Navy (USN- "USS") ships and one transport ship of the  Military Sea Transport Service (MSTS- "USNS").
« Last Edit: September 13, 2018, 04:31:15 PM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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robintex

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2018, 09:13:12 AM »
I could make this a poll.
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?

Any comments ?

I am a round earther and have visited McDonald and Palomar.
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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robintex

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2018, 09:41:52 AM »
I could make this a poll.
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?

Any comments ?
I answered your questions.
Do you or don't you have any answers or comments to mine ?
 
As to comments, I have always known that the earth was "round" - or a globe - from my days in elementary school in the studies in geography.
In later years, this was confirmed by my service in the Navy and in civilian work where the curvature of the earth in the globe must be taken into account in the design and operation of certain radar and radio communication systems.
The previously mentioned tables for estimating the distance to the horizon in "The (USN) Navy Manual For Lookouts" would not be necessary if the earth was flat.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2018, 10:27:07 AM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2018, 09:50:23 AM »
Just another curious thought with a big LOL.
If the earth was flat, why wouldn't there have been a "Uniplane" instead of the "Unisphere" at the 1964-1965  New York World's Fair ???
Been there. Attended and  Done that on both years of the fair.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2018, 11:05:22 AM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2018, 10:52:46 AM »
I often wonder why people continue their belief in a round Earth.  What makes them keep on believing amidst truthful evidence to the contrary?

To the OP: I have not been to an observatory but have been in a "planetarium" as part of astronomy training at university.  Since the Earth is not recognized as a planet, not too many rules of naming-logic are broken by a "planetarium" existing on a non-planet.

It will be appreciated if Navy members who recognize a flat Earth would sign-up for the site.  They should know that other people who sail the seas know the Earth is flat.  They are in great company and do not have to fear expressing their honesty.     

   

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2018, 10:56:30 AM »
Just another curious thought with a big LOL.
If the earth was flat, why wouldn't there have been a "Uniplane" instead of the "Unisphere" at the 1964-1965  New York World's Fair ???
Been there. Done that. Both years of the fair.


Re: Just Curious
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2018, 11:00:02 AM »
I’m a flatearther and I’ve never been to an astronomical observatory, and I never will.  Last thing I need is some doctored telescope or cheap cgi try to bamboozle me.

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2018, 11:05:07 AM »
I've been to Palomar on a couple of occasions...


Notice that both flattards say they've never been to an observatory?

BTW Gotham, the Earth actually IS classified as a planet.
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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2018, 11:14:58 AM »
I often wonder why people continue their belief in a round Earth.  What makes them keep on believing amidst truthful evidence to the contrary?

To the OP: I have not been to an observatory but have been in a "planetarium" as part of astronomy training at university.  Since the Earth is not recognized as a planet, not too many rules of naming-logic are broken by a "planetarium" existing on a non-planet.

It will be appreciated if Navy members who recognize a flat Earth would sign-up for the site.  They should know that other people who sail the seas know the Earth is flat.  They are in great company and do not have to fear expressing their honesty.     

 

Have you ever been in any country's Navy ?
Have you ever been to sea on any kind of ship in any country ?
I was in great company in the USN and we all knew the earth was a globe.
I think if you were in the Navy in a rating involving navigation or electronics and said you believed the earth was flat, you would have received some serious counseling or some treatment in a psychiatric ward  in a Naval Hospital.
I never met or heard of any flat earthers during my Navy service.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2018, 04:35:27 PM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2018, 11:17:00 AM »
The Earth is very special for sure, per those really in the know. Using the "P" word for Earth requires proof.   

You don't need an observatory or, for that matter, a rocket to know the Earth is flat.

It seems whenever REers try to prove a claim they either enter an observatory or climb into a rocket and fly away.

Observations on Earth are the best way to substantiate claims of Earth shape.

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2018, 11:19:47 AM »
I’m a flatearther and I’ve never been to an astronomical observatory, and I never will.  Last thing I need is some doctored telescope or cheap cgi try to bamboozle me.
Don’t you want to see a cosmic ripple that began it’s journey long before the dawn of mankind ?
Me neither .... ;D

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2018, 11:21:21 AM »
I’m a flatearther and I’ve never been to an astronomical observatory, and I never will.  Last thing I need is some doctored telescope or cheap cgi try to bamboozle me.
In other words, you don't want to learn the truth. Sad.
Or are you afraid you might learn something ?
In my work in the USN and the FAA, I have found learning is a never ending process. Always something new to learn.
We wouldn't have this Internet if a lot of people hadn't done that.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2018, 11:34:13 AM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2018, 11:24:03 AM »
Just another curious thought with a big LOL.
If the earth was flat, why wouldn't there have been a "Uniplane" instead of the "Unisphere" at the 1964-1965  New York World's Fair ???
Been there. Done that. Both years of the fair.



The Unisphere is the biggest lesson in geography that I have seen so far.
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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robintex

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2018, 11:59:45 AM »
I often wonder why people continue their belief in a round Earth.  What makes them keep on believing amidst truthful evidence to the contrary?

To the OP: I have not been to an observatory but have been in a "planetarium" as part of astronomy training at university.  Since the Earth is not recognized as a planet, not too many rules of naming-logic are broken by a "planetarium" existing on a non-planet.

It will be appreciated if Navy members who recognize a flat Earth would sign-up for the site.  They should know that other people who sail the seas know the Earth is flat.  They are in great company and do not have to fear expressing their honesty.     

 

Where are all these people ? Have you ever really talked to anyone in the Navy who told you that they believed that the earth was flat ?
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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robintex

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2018, 12:03:57 PM »
Just another curious thought with a big LOL.
If the earth was flat, why wouldn't there have been a "Uniplane" instead of the "Unisphere" at the 1964-1965  New York World's Fair ???
Been there. Done that. Both years of the fair.



But doesn't it look like that on the flat earth map - the one with the ice ring ?
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2018, 12:30:50 PM »
But doesn't it look like that on the flat earth map - the one with the ice ring ?

I suppose it would have looked like this:


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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2018, 12:52:43 PM »
I've been to Palomar on a couple of occasions...


Notice that both flattards say they've never been to an observatory?

BTW Gotham, the Earth actually IS classified as a planet.

Haven't seen any who say they have been in the navy or have been to sea either.

I think Gotham is clinging to the belief that the Earth is stationary......etc.
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2018, 01:06:37 PM »
I've been to sea many times on fishing charters. Never with the Navy, unless you count that family dependents cruise when my brother served. That was quite fun as a 12 year old, sitting up on the 3" 50 like I was King shit!! :D
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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2018, 01:12:13 PM »
No, I have not spoken yet with anyone in the Navy who had opinion on a flat Earth.

I submit, however, that sheer logic and population probabilities demand that some FE sailors would exist.

The invite is made for them so sign-up and chime-in.

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2018, 02:59:26 PM »
No, I have not spoken yet with anyone in the Navy who had opinion on a flat Earth.

I submit, however, that sheer logic and population probabilities demand that some FE sailors would exist.

The invite is made for them so sign-up and chime-in.

I rather doubt that you will get any takers.LOL
At least in the U.S. Navy, especially those involved in navigation.
I assure you that there no Quartermasters or Navigation Officers in the U.S.Navy who would even think the earth was shaped like some kind of a flat disc with some kind of a ring of ice around it.
It's quite laughable in Navy circles , I assure you. LOL
There might be some, like cooks and bakers , and those in the non-rated ranks, who could care less whether the shape of the earth was round or flat.
They don't need to know.
It's not part of their training.
I don't remember any mentiion of "flat earth" in Boot Camp.

We haven't spoken personally , face to face, but I was in the Navy, and I can definitely state that  flat earth is considered  a false  idea at best and a stupid, foolish, ignorant  and maybe even silly notion at worst.

As best as I have noticed, flat earthers seem to base their beliiefs on the writings of Samuel Birley Rowbotham.
These were written around the late 1890's.
This is the 21st Century.
This is 2018.

I did a search on charts used in oceanic navigation and found several websites showing how these charts are used.
They are all made from projections of the globe from those covering small to large areas.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2018, 04:06:13 PM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2018, 03:32:28 PM »
I often wonder why people continue their belief in a round Earth.  What makes them keep on believing amidst truthful evidence to the contrary?
Where is any of this "truthful evidence to the contrary"? There certainly seems none on this site so where is all this wonderful evidence.

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2018, 03:48:31 PM »
I often wonder why people continue their belief in a round Earth.  What makes them keep on believing amidst truthful evidence to the contrary?
Where is any of this "truthful evidence to the contrary"? There certainly seems none on this site so where is all this wonderful evidence.

I often wonder why anyone would have a belief that the earth was flat when there is absolutely no truth, proof or evidence of it ?
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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robintex

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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2018, 04:40:18 PM »
The Earth is very special for sure, per those really in the know. Using the "P" word for Earth requires proof.   

You don't need an observatory or, for that matter, a rocket to know the Earth is flat.

It seems whenever REers try to prove a claim they either enter an observatory or climb into a rocket and fly away.

Observations on Earth are the best way to substantiate claims of Earth shape.

One way that is all you need to do is to go on a ship at sea or look out on the ocean from the shore and watch how ships and land appear and disappear as they come over the horizon or go over the horizon.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2018, 04:42:42 PM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2018, 09:11:01 PM »
If you don't have a full grasp on the nature of the universe and aren't viewing the universe through a complete lens, one can not say with any definitive assurance what shape the Earth is. Flat or globe..... Both assumptions could look equally ridiculous when viewing and understanding the universe in its entirety


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Re: Just Curious
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2018, 09:40:56 PM »
If you don't have a full grasp on the nature of the universe and aren't viewing the universe through a complete lens, one can not say with any definitive assurance what shape the Earth is. Flat or globe..... Both assumptions could look equally ridiculous when viewing and understanding the universe in its entirety

Yes, but, you have to make some assumptions along the way. We’ll never have all the answers. And that’s fine. It’s a nice stretch goal though. And in the mean time, to propel humankind forward, (whatever that means exactly), we have to operate within constructs and devise new ones to try and sate the human necessity to figure out what this dumpster fire is all about. For me, RET is more conducive to going forward whereas FET is going backwards.