South... Always?

One thing I am wondering, and have been since I started reading this site. You FE'ers keep saying we have to go south to the Ice Wall correct? and the Ice Wall goes all the way around correct? so technically there is no direction. Except south. You go north but you will only end up going south again. So direction doesnt exist. You go East but you end up going South. This makes no sense. And in the RE theory. The earth is 360 degrees so if you make the argument that you keep going south with RE, then you are an idiot.

And in the RE theory. The earth is 360 degrees so if you make the argument that you keep going south with RE, then you are an idiot.

I've never shied away from being an idiot. If I went North on your magical round earth why wouldn't I end up heading south? It seems like the logical thing that would happen once I passed the North Pole.

You go north but you will only end up going south again.

Same as your magical round earth.

You go East but you end up going South.

No you wouldn't, if you went East you would end up heading... East! Just like your magical round earth our longitudes (the ones that wrap around the earth from east to west or west to east) are circles.

This makes no sense.

It makes a lot of sense, you're just an idiot.

You go East but you end up going South.

No you wouldn't, if you went East you would end up heading... East! Just like your magical round earth our longitudes (the ones that wrap around the earth from east to west or west to east) are circles.

What I meant was, on another post, you showed a map. A circle with the entire exterior of the circle (the ice wall) saying, south. So once again by going east, you end up going South

Read the FAQ...
"Q: "When traveling in a straight direction, you will always reach the same point on the globe from where you started. How can this happen if the world is flat?"

A: You need to have evidence for this to be true. Also, define "straight." Remember, the northern point on the compass is, under most circumstances (unless near the centre or deep in the ice wall), pointing toward the centre of the Earth. Therefore, if you follow your compass due east or due west, ending up at the same point you started from, you've just gone around the world in a circle.

Q: If you go directly south won’t you eventually fall off the edge of the Earth?

A: Yes, you will. In order to use this fact as proof you need to record a video of someone flying directly south around the world without falling off the edge. Furthermore you need to prove that your navigational equipment allows you to travel directly south without deviating. "

P.S. the map you looked at was labeled correctly; you just can't read it well enough to understand.

What I meant was, on another post, you showed a map. A circle with the entire exterior of the circle (the ice wall) saying, south. So once again by going east, you end up going South

You are correct and incorrect. If you were to follow east you would be travelling in a circular direction and not a straight direction like your magical round earth.

This is one of the proofs of a flat earth, if you get a laser pointer and a large enough distance then you will realise that when you travel in a straight line directly "east" for a great enough distance when you check your compass again you will not be heading east. This is because the earth is flat and to travel east you must travel in a curve.

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This makes no sense.

It makes a lot of sense, you're just an idiot.

Very reasonable.

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You go East but you end up going South.

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No you wouldn't, if you went East you would end up heading... East! Just like your magical round earth our longitudes (the ones that wrap around the earth from east to west or west to east) are circles.

What I meant was, on another post, you showed a map. A circle with the entire exterior of the circle (the ice wall) saying, south. So once again by going east, you end up going South

Wait, so you're saying that if you built a big rocket powered speedboat on FE, and went directly north, you'd end up going south?? On RE if you went East, you'd end up IN the west, but would still be travelling east.

What I meant was, on another post, you showed a map. A circle with the entire exterior of the circle (the ice wall) saying, south. So once again by going east, you end up going South[/quote]

Wait, so you're saying that if you built a big rocket powered speedboat on FE, and went directly north, you'd end up going south?? On RE if you went East, you'd end up IN the west, but would still be travelling east.[/quote]

the first one

What?

the directly north one but the problem has already been solved

Answer my question though.

In either the RE or FE, if you go north, and then continue in a straight line after passing the north pole, you are now going south.  Why is that so hard to picture?

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What I meant was, on another post, you showed a map. A circle with the entire exterior of the circle (the ice wall) saying, south. So once again by going east, you end up going South

You are correct and incorrect. If you were to follow east you would be travelling in a circular direction and not a straight direction like your magical round earth.

This is one of the proofs of a flat earth, if you get a laser pointer and a large enough distance then you will realise that when you travel in a straight line directly "east" for a great enough distance when you check your compass again you will not be heading east. This is because the earth is flat and to travel east you must travel in a curve.

That's not quite correct, Midgard.  Another thing, have you ever tried that with a laser pointer?  (whether or not you have doesn't really matter to me, though, because you're wrong)

Travelling "straight" on a sphere is traversing a path along what is called a "great circle".  Only on the Equator will you always be going east while traversing a straight line.  The Equator is a great circle.  Lines of longitude are great circles.  Lines of latitude are not; they are "small circles."  Traversing a line of latitude is not straight, however it is constantly East or West.

If one travells northwest at, say, 40 degrees latitude, and goes perfectly straight (as is roughly show in the image) you will eventually be going southwest.  



So basically your laser experiment yields the same results on a round Earth.

Engineeer you make no sense. By going from the north pole, to the south pole in a straight line, you will have gone south. Passing the Antarctic will put you, yes on the bottom of the Earth. But it will not change your relative direction. You will still be going south in your own perspective, And though you will be going north on the other side of the world(Though with rotation and whatnot, probably the same side) from your statring position on a map, you will have gone entirely south. But when you apply this to East/West it won't be the same. No matter what you can continue STRAIGHT east, and keep going east. Look at it from a 3-d pov. The line that you had going east straight will continue until you hit your starting position. On the North/South however, the map must flip, not the globe. So I still don't get what you're talking about on not hitting the Ice Wall going east or west. If it existed, which it doesn't, that is.

Turn this into an experiment that tells the difference between a flat and round earth. The only experiment I see this turning into is the following: start out heading East, and then go in a straight line. If you eventually hit Antarctica, the earth is flat, (or you started out very close to the north pole) and if you eventually come back to where you started, it's round.

The problem with this experiment, despite it being extremely difficult to carry out (much harder, for example, than watching a Foucoult pendulum in Sydney and another in New York for a few hours each, which only requires a couple of plane tickets), is that you need some way of objectively determining whether you are going straight. A compass is completely useless for this purpose, since starting out going due East, a straight line will not continue to go due East (unless the Earth is round and you start out on the Equator), so you need some other way of making sure you are going straight, and it has to guarantee that you go straight for thousands of miles, without reference to visible objects on the Earth or sky, since you don't know the shape of the Earth, and by extension the sky's shape either.

Turn this into an experiment that tells the difference between a flat and round earth.

Yes, the supposed "experiments" that involve 20000 kilometers or more of flight are the kind of "mind experiment" that play directly into the hand of FE. They can always say they know nobody who has flown over the south pole and that is posted as evidence. And if somebody says he did, he is part of the conspiracy.

They declare there is no evidence untainted by The Conspiracy, but resist any simple experiment with their own cameras and telescopes. Of course, a 500 mile trip north and a few measurements of the position of the stars or sun is more than enough to disprove their position, but every time someone talks about intercontinental flight they glow in delight!

Only on the Equator will you always be going east while traversing a straight line.

Where did you think I was when I tried it?! I'm sorry I didn't mention that before but I didn't realise that I'd have to explain it to you (you seem bright enough to be able to put two and two together, maybe I was wrong about you).

In either the RE or FE, if you go north, and then continue in a straight line after passing the north pole, you are now going south.  Why is that so hard to picture?

Whilst this is certainly true you might like to explain why the opposite isn't true. ie Why, if you keep travelling south, don't you end up going North?
 And don't say because you'll hit the ice wall.

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In either the RE or FE, if you go north, and then continue in a straight line after passing the north pole, you are now going south.  Why is that so hard to picture?

Whilst this is certainly true you might like to explain why the opposite isn't true. ie Why, if you keep travelling south, don't you end up going North?
 And don't say because you'll hit the ice wall.

Because you hit the Ice Wall.

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Only on the Equator will you always be going east while traversing a straight line.

Where did you think I was when I tried it?! I'm sorry I didn't mention that before but I didn't realise that I'd have to explain it to you (you seem bright enough to be able to put two and two together, maybe I was wrong about you).

WHO ARE YOU?   (rhetorical question)

It's hard to tell if someone is being sarcastic, but please don't insult me because you "forgot" to tell me your major assumptions.  Your assumption being that you will ignore all cases except one.

WHO ARE YOU?   (rhetorical question)

I am he that answers rhetorical questions. I am Midgard.

It's hard to tell if someone is being sarcastic, but please don't insult me because you "forgot" to tell me your major assumptions.  Your assumption being that you will ignore all cases except one.

I apologise if you get insulted easily but it wasn't my intention. I was merely stating that I thought you were smart enough to have realised I was doing the experiment on the equator.

Where did you think I was when I tried it?!

How would I know where you were (not to mention whether or not you tried it).  

I was merely stating that I thought you were smart enough to have realised I was doing the experiment on the equator.

We get ourselves into all sorts of logic problems when we put more meaning behind a statement than what is written.

How would I know where you were (not to mention whether or not you tried it).

You were smart engough to realise the only place that it could be tried, it's pretty obvious that if it's the only place to test it then it's the only place to conduct the test.

We get ourselves into all sorts of logic problems when we put more meaning behind a statement than what is written.

Maybe you should go and learn about logic. All in all, I agree if you put more meaning behind a statement than what is written it's possible to misinterpret it. Just like you did before when you thought I was insulting you.

It's not my fault you're stupid... it's also not your fault so I fail to see how you would be insulted by this.

You were smart engough to realise the only place that it could be tried, it's pretty obvious that if it's the only place to test it then it's the only place to conduct the test.

Wow.  A couple things here:

1:  Let's drop this smart or not thing.  I'm not going to call you names or try to knock you down.  

2:  Tell me exactly -- by quoting -- what you are testing.  

3:  If you're only going to try a hypothesis where you think it's going to be true you will never prove anything.  That's pseudoscience, my friend.  You're going to have to be more rigorous with your experiment.  

Maybe you should go and learn about logic.

Why?  (I feel like a writer of high school essay questions)  Did I say something that's wrong?

All in all, I agree if you put more meaning behind a statement than what is written it's possible to misinterpret it. Just like you did before when you thought I was insulting you.

You were insulting me.  Here's another example:

It's not my fault you're stupid... it's also not your fault so I fail to see how you would be insulted by this.

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In either the RE or FE, if you go north, and then continue in a straight line after passing the north pole, you are now going south.  Why is that so hard to picture?

Whilst this is certainly true you might like to explain why the opposite isn't true. ie Why, if you keep travelling south, don't you end up going North?
 And don't say because you'll hit the ice wall.

In the absence of a real answer, I claim victory for the REers!!!

Whilst this is certainly true you might like to explain why the opposite isn't true. ie Why, if you keep travelling south, don't you end up going North?

This question quite clearly indicates your unwillingness to think for yourself.  The answer is obvious.  On the flat Earth, "south" means "directly away from a certain point along a plane", and "north" means "directly towards a certain point along a plane".  If you are moving away from a point in space, then you will not start moving towards it unless you turn around.

If you are moving away from a point in space, then you will not start moving towards it unless you turn around.

Unless said surface is cyclical, wherein simply going forward along the surface one would effectively "turn around" in space, like a cylinder, or a torus, or a sphere, or a mobius strip, et cetera.

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WHO ARE YOU?   (rhetorical question)

I am he that answers rhetorical questions. I am Midgard.

Beautiful! I'm adding that to my sig.

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Whilst this is certainly true you might like to explain why the opposite isn't true. ie Why, if you keep travelling south, don't you end up going North?

This question quite clearly indicates your unwillingness to think for yourself.  The answer is obvious.  On the flat Earth, "south" means "directly away from a certain point along a plane", and "north" means "directly towards a certain point along a plane".  If you are moving away from a point in space, then you will not start moving towards it unless you turn around.

This answer quite clearly indicates your unwillingness to grasp reality.
To travel due south in FE is to travel towards the ice wall & fall of the edge of the world. In the real world if you travel due south you eventually end up travelling north again.