Time Zones

Hello all,

I'm new here, could one of you Flat E's please explain how the world time zones fit in with your hypothetical world ?
How does the sun move around, etc. ??

Welcome to the Flat Earth Society forum, but how about looking around the site some before asking the same question that's already been asked a zillion times before?

A zillion sounds a bit extreme & completely inaccurate.
Can you be more specific ?

Please try south pole centered FE map.
The time zone lines are curved. It's the real physics time zones, not political time zones as applied today.
That's the difference of such map compared to globe map.

As to conventional FE map, sorry to say, it's not correct and globers alway win even make fun of this incorrect map.

OK thanks

So ...
- South Pole centred
- North Pole centred
- Bi Polar

you guys can't even agree on your hypothesis ??

It's better to see different views than following one version which has problems.

Freedom of thinking is the essence of knowledge searching.
Formal education institutions have left this golden treasure.

We all need dialectic for a betterment in every field.

You can't go Oxymoron on the subject.
It's either one of those three, or maybe it's none of them ??

Let the discourse lead to the most logical one.

Well that would lead to an oblate spheroid, but that's a discussion for another time.
The question still remains ... how do the world time zones fit in with your hypothetical flat world ?

Please try south pole centered FE map.
The time zone lines are curved. It's the real physics time zones, not political time zones as applied today.
That's the difference of such map compared to globe map.

The time zones countries use is just a matter of convenience.  No one needs to adjust the time continuously as they move east or west.

It was only really with the advent of railways that individual cities started setting clocks to a national standard instead of their local mean solar time.  In the UK, this was called Railway time.

Mean solar time itself only became standard when accurate mechanical clocks were widely available.  Before then, the apparent solar time was used which varies slightly throughout the year.

I think it is better to ask how day lengths during the year fit exactly with the model of Earth spinning around it's tilted axis, rotating around the sun.
The fact measurements and future predictions of sun rise and sun set at a specific location fit exactly with this model, means it cannot at the same time also fit with a model of a flat Earth with the sun circling above it.

A zillion sounds a bit extreme & completely inaccurate.
Can you be more specific ?

"A zillion" means "lots", or "many".

Hello all,

I'm new here, could one of you Flat E's please explain how the world time zones fit in with your hypothetical world ?
How does the sun move around, etc. ??

The sun circles above the flat earth.

This is an accurate picture of the details involved:

As it states on the map, it is depicted AS "IT IS" without dispute!

Quote from: che.cazzo on August 27, 2018, 08:05:34 PM

Hello all,

I'm new here, could one of you Flat E's please explain how the world time zones fit in with your hypothetical world ?
How does the sun move around, etc. ??

The sun circles above the flat earth.

This is an accurate picture of the details involved:

As it states on the map, it is depicted AS "IT IS" without dispute!

Undisputed champion of the world.
Bobs best fried chicken in the world.
Luigis world famous pizza.
My coffee mug that says #1dad.

Side note, i think your 10yrold map is photoshopped.
Unless youve seen the earth from that altitude idont belive it.
Give me proof.
How could there be NO clouds shown anywhere?
There has to be at least 1 cloud at some point
Fake

Quote from: che.cazzo on August 27, 2018, 08:05:34 PM

Hello all,

I'm new here, could one of you Flat E's please explain how the world time zones fit in with your hypothetical world ?
How does the sun move around, etc. ??

The sun circles above the flat earth.

This is an accurate picture of the details involved:

As it states on the map, it is depicted AS "IT IS" without dispute!

Congratulations for posting a projection of the Globe but that map does give a good depiction of the time zones around the Globe.

You did read the "ON THE PROJECTION OF J.S. CHRISTOPHER . . . . SCIENTIFICALLY AND PRACTICALLY CORRECT AS "IT IS"
If it were a map of your flat earth there would never have been any need for a "projection". All that would be needed would have been for it to be a scaled down drawing of the earth.

There is more to it than that but that is what the map says and that is what it is, and is is:

The azimuthal equidistant projection is an azimuthal map projection. It has the useful properties ... for star maps in some holy books, the earliest text describing the azimuthal equidistant projection is an 11th-century work by al-Biruni.

And Al-Biruni certainly believed the earth to be a Globe as is attested by works and writings.

Hello all,

I'm new here, could one of you Flat E's please explain how the world time zones fit in with your hypothetical world ?
How does the sun move around, etc. ??

We can't explain it because just like gravity and moonlight and chocolate milk, they don't really exist. Time zones are an illusion created by government-induced illusion. When you talk to someone in "another time zone" the government intercepts your conversation and alters their words so that if you are in the "Pacific time zone" and your friend is in the "Central time zone" and you ask them what time it is, it will actually be the same time as where you are, but the government will alter their words so that if they say "It's six PM" you will hear them seeming to say "It's eight PM." This is done with quantum computers that they won't admit they have. Time zones are just another part of the conspiracy.

Quote from: che.cazzo on August 27, 2018, 08:05:34 PM

Hello all,

I'm new here, could one of you Flat E's please explain how the world time zones fit in with your hypothetical world ?
How does the sun move around, etc. ??

We can't explain it because just like gravity and moonlight and chocolate milk, they don't really exist. Time zones are an illusion created by government-induced illusion. When you talk to someone in "another time zone" the government intercepts your conversation and alters their words so that if you are in the "Pacific time zone" and your friend is in the "Central time zone" and you ask them what time it is, it will actually be the same time as where you are, but the government will alter their words so that if they say "It's six PM" you will hear them seeming to say "It's eight PM." This is done with quantum computers that they won't admit they have. Time zones are just another part of the conspiracy.

Are you seriously serious
- So when I talk to my family/friends on the other side of the world it's really the same time as here ?
- So when it's day time here for many hours, it's not really night time on the other side for many hours ?

and the reason for this incredible conspiracy is ??

How you you get through the day mate ?
Aren't you embarrassed to show your face in public ?
Hasn't your family & friends shunned you or tried to have you committed ?

Are you seriously serious
- So when I talk to my family/friends on the other side of the world it's really the same time as here ?
- So when it's day time here for many hours, it's not really night time on the other side for many hours ?

and the reason for this incredible conspiracy is ??

How you you get through the day mate ?
Aren't you embarrassed to show your face in public ?
Hasn't your family & friends shunned you or tried to have you committed ?

Might I suggest that magellanclavichord might be having you on. Read the other posts by magellanclavichord.

Quote from: totallackey on August 28, 2018, 09:14:44 AM

Quote from: che.cazzo on August 27, 2018, 08:05:34 PM

Hello all,

I'm new here, could one of you Flat E's please explain how the world time zones fit in with your hypothetical world ?
How does the sun move around, etc. ??

The sun circles above the flat earth.

This is an accurate picture of the details involved:

As it states on the map, it is depicted AS "IT IS" without dispute!

Congratulations for posting a projection of the Globe but that map does give a good depiction of the time zones around the Globe.

You did read the "ON THE PROJECTION OF J.S. CHRISTOPHER . . . . SCIENTIFICALLY AND PRACTICALLY CORRECT AS "IT IS"
If it were a map of your flat earth there would never have been any need for a "projection". All that would be needed would have been for it to be a scaled down drawing of the earth.

There is more to it than that but that is what the map says and that is what it is, and is is:

Quote

The azimuthal equidistant projection is an azimuthal map projection. It has the useful properties ... for star maps in some holy books, the earliest text describing the azimuthal equidistant projection is an 11th-century work by al-Biruni.

And Al-Biruni certainly believed the earth to be a Globe as is attested by works and writings.

The map is not a projection and Christopher did not create it.

Familiarize yourself with the word extorsion.

Well that would lead to an oblate spheroid, but that's a discussion for another time.
The question still remains ... how do the world time zones fit in with your hypothetical flat world ?

Globe is non existence. I have researched about it by a number of approaches n it's put in this forum.

The same longitudes points is not vertical. It's curved.
They knew earth reality - which is flat- and then converted it into globe model. So if they can predict celestial bodies n weather, it's based on the reality: Flat Earth. But they hide this secret.

Quote from: rabinoz on August 28, 2018, 02:44:55 PM

Quote from: totallackey on August 28, 2018, 09:14:44 AM

Quote from: che.cazzo on August 27, 2018, 08:05:34 PM

Hello all,

I'm new here, could one of you Flat E's please explain how the world time zones fit in with your hypothetical world ?
How does the sun move around, etc. ??

The sun circles above the flat earth.

This is an accurate picture of the details involved:

As it states on the map, it is depicted AS "IT IS" without dispute!

Congratulations for posting a projection of the Globe but that map does give a good depiction of the time zones around the Globe.

You did read the "ON THE PROJECTION OF J.S. CHRISTOPHER . . . . SCIENTIFICALLY AND PRACTICALLY CORRECT AS "IT IS"
If it were a map of your flat earth there would never have been any need for a "projection". All that would be needed would have been for it to be a scaled down drawing of the earth.

There is more to it than that but that is what the map says and that is what it is, and it is:

Quote

The azimuthal equidistant projection is an azimuthal map projection. It has the useful properties ... for star maps in some holy books, the earliest text describing the azimuthal equidistant projection is an 11th-century work by al-Biruni.

And Al-Biruni certainly believed the earth to be a Globe as is attested by works and writings.

The map is not a projection and Christopher did not create it.

Familiarize yourself with the word extorsion.

So sorry it very clearly states that is is a projection: ON THE PROJECTION OF J.S. CHRISTOPHER.
It was created for Gleason who really was an "ardent" flat-Earther:

Alexander Gleason, a civil engineer from Buffalo, NY, tested the flatness of the surface of lake Erie. He published Is the Bible from Heaven? (1890) and Is the Earth a Globe? (1893).

It was based on "the projection of J. S. Christopher" though, I agree it was not created by  J. S. Christopher.
I believe Gleason patented it as a time chart because there is no way that the US patent Office would patent a  Flat Earth Map !

And yes, I know what "extorsion" means.

You might like to read: Gleason's Map and here is a little extract:

Well, we certainly know what he said on his US Patent application from 1895.  Here is Gleason's concept drawing as submitted:

You can read the entire patent, which describes the map's use as a time calculator for students. But the most important passage from the flat-Earth standpoint is this:

The map is not so extorted as to lose the relative latitude and longitude of any places on the land or sea, but retains all latitudes and longitudes of places agreeing with other recognized authors; and as the proper relations of continents and countries all stand in their relative position to each other, they are thus impressed upon the mind of the student. The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.

The use of "extorted" in the sense of "distorted" is interesting here, but the intent is clear; the map is not "as it is" (which I think may have been a slogan of the map's publisher), but a projection that preserves the positions with regard to longitude lines, but not the distances between them (distances between lines of latitude, however, are preserved). And note his phrasing "the equator to the two poles." A flat Earth does not have poles.

From: Gleason's Map

Just note again that bit from the patent application: "The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles."

Quote from: Danang on August 27, 2018, 09:01:37 PM

Please try south pole centered FE map.
The time zone lines are curved. It's the real physics time zones, not political time zones as applied today.
That's the difference of such map compared to globe map.

The time zones countries use is just a matter of convenience.  No one needs to adjust the time continuously as they move east or west.

It was only really with the advent of railways that individual cities started setting clocks to a national standard instead of their local mean solar time.  In the UK, this was called Railway time.

Mean solar time itself only became standard when accurate mechanical clocks were widely available.  Before then, the apparent solar time was used which varies slightly throughout the year.

Canada is complicated for this matter. Not only the time zones are so varied, but also they change the usual time based on certain season.

Anyway, it's great if the time zones is based on the sun circling on the earth.
This scheme can be applied beyond time zones related.
The true map, effective n efficient flight, etc.

So sorry it very clearly states that is is a projection: ON THE PROJECTION OF J.S. CHRISTOPHER.

No.

Being based on something does not translate into that same something.

I was created for Gleason who really was an "ardent" flat-Earther:

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Alexander Gleason, a civil engineer from Buffalo, NY, tested the flatness of the surface of lake Erie. He published Is the Bible from Heaven? (1890) and Is the Earth a Globe? (1893).

It was created based on "the projection of J. S. Christopher" though, I agree it was not created by  J. S. Christopher.

First thing you wrote with any semblance of correctness.

I believe Gleason patented it as a time chart because there is no way that the US patent Office would patent a  Flat Earth Map !

Believe what you want.

You have nothing supporting your belief.

And yes, I know what "extorsion" means.

You might like to read: Gleason's Map and here is a little extract:

Quote

Well, we certainly know what he said on his US Patent application from 1895.  Here is Gleason's concept drawing as submitted:

You can read the entire patent, which describes the map's use as a time calculator for students. But the most important passage from the flat-Earth standpoint is this:

The map is not so extorted as to lose the relative latitude and longitude of any places on the land or sea, but retains all latitudes and longitudes of places agreeing with other recognized authors; and as the proper relations of continents and countries all stand in their relative position to each other, they are thus impressed upon the mind of the student. The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.

The use of "extorted" in the sense of "distorted" is interesting here, but the intent is clear; the map is not "as it is" (which I think may have been a slogan of the map's publisher), but a projection that preserves the positions with regard to longitude lines, but not the distances between them (distances between lines of latitude, however, are preserved). And note his phrasing "the equator to the two poles." A flat Earth does not have poles.

From: Gleason's Map

Just note again that bit from the patent application: "The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles."

You did not know.

You may now know because you read something, but as you can see from that source it is NOT a projection...it is an extorsion.

And the fact the flat earth does not have poles is correct.

It has a pole.

Quote from: Unconvinced on August 28, 2018, 01:19:06 AM

Quote from: Danang on August 27, 2018, 09:01:37 PM

Please try south pole centered FE map.
The time zone lines are curved. It's the real physics time zones, not political time zones as applied today.
That's the difference of such map compared to globe map.

The time zones countries use is just a matter of convenience.  No one needs to adjust the time continuously as they move east or west.

It was only really with the advent of railways that individual cities started setting clocks to a national standard instead of their local mean solar time.  In the UK, this was called Railway time.

Mean solar time itself only became standard when accurate mechanical clocks were widely available.  Before then, the apparent solar time was used which varies slightly throughout the year.

Canada is complicated for this matter. Not only the time zones are so varied, but also they change the usual time based on certain season.

Ya...we have a day light savings adjustment, magically in line when the tilt of earth points us (canada) towards the sun causing an increased day and a shift in time of sunrise.
Think about what you just said and how that would work out and how wide canada is.

Quote from: totallackey on August 29, 2018, 03:42:15 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on August 28, 2018, 02:44:55 PM

Quote from: totallackey on August 28, 2018, 09:14:44 AM

Quote from: che.cazzo on August 27, 2018, 08:05:34 PM

Hello all,

I'm new here, could one of you Flat E's please explain how the world time zones fit in with your hypothetical world ?
How does the sun move around, etc. ??

The sun circles above the flat earth.

This is an accurate picture of the details involved:

As it states on the map, it is depicted AS "IT IS" without dispute!

Congratulations for posting a projection of the Globe but that map does give a good depiction of the time zones around the Globe.

You did read the "ON THE PROJECTION OF J.S. CHRISTOPHER . . . . SCIENTIFICALLY AND PRACTICALLY CORRECT AS "IT IS"
If it were a map of your flat earth there would never have been any need for a "projection". All that would be needed would have been for it to be a scaled down drawing of the earth.

There is more to it than that but that is what the map says and that is what it is, and it is:

Quote

The azimuthal equidistant projection is an azimuthal map projection. It has the useful properties ... for star maps in some holy books, the earliest text describing the azimuthal equidistant projection is an 11th-century work by al-Biruni.

And Al-Biruni certainly believed the earth to be a Globe as is attested by works and writings.

The map is not a projection and Christopher did not create it.

Familiarize yourself with the word extorsion.

So sorry it very clearly states that is is a projection: ON THE PROJECTION OF J.S. CHRISTOPHER.
I was created for Gleason who really was an "ardent" flat-Earther:

Quote

Alexander Gleason, a civil engineer from Buffalo, NY, tested the flatness of the surface of lake Erie. He published Is the Bible from Heaven? (1890) and Is the Earth a Globe? (1893).

It was created based on "the projection of J. S. Christopher" though, I agree it was not created by  J. S. Christopher.
I believe Gleason patented it as a time chart because there is no way that the US patent Office would patent a  Flat Earth Map !

And yes, I know what "extorsion" means.

You might like to read: Gleason's Map and here is a little extract:

Quote

Well, we certainly know what he said on his US Patent application from 1895.  Here is Gleason's concept drawing as submitted:

You can read the entire patent, which describes the map's use as a time calculator for students. But the most important passage from the flat-Earth standpoint is this:

The map is not so extorted as to lose the relative latitude and longitude of any places on the land or sea, but retains all latitudes and longitudes of places agreeing with other recognized authors; and as the proper relations of continents and countries all stand in their relative position to each other, they are thus impressed upon the mind of the student. The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.

The use of "extorted" in the sense of "distorted" is interesting here, but the intent is clear; the map is not "as it is" (which I think may have been a slogan of the map's publisher), but a projection that preserves the positions with regard to longitude lines, but not the distances between them (distances between lines of latitude, however, are preserved). And note his phrasing "the equator to the two poles." A flat Earth does not have poles.

From: Gleason's Map

Just note again that bit from the patent application: "The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles."

Just a few comments on Gleason's Map.
"Modern" is a common mis-spelling of "Morden"
Morden College is the only "College" in the Blackheath section of London, England , UK. (Which see)
Morden College is not a college or university, or "place of higher learning " , but is a "collegiate type institution". (Which see for an explanation of the term "collegiate type institution.")
It was established by a wealthy merchant named Sir John Morden; first built from 1695 to 1700 ;  as "A retirement home for poor single, widower, or bachelor retired merchants who have lost their establishment." In other words , for poor unfortunate retired merchants who have no income.
Morden College had no information on "J.S. Christopher"  other than a Joseph Streep Christopher had met the requirements for residency in his letter for application to Morden College  and had  been a resident there until his death.
Perhaps "J.S. Christopher" had some interest in maps and had a connection with Gleason as a relative, friend, or acquaintance ?
The English connection is not quite clear ?
Morden College today is a charity retirement home with no requirements for retired merchants and is open to all - elderly singles and couples.
There is an age requirement that residents must be over 55 years old.
Above information from correspondence in an  exchange with Morden College.

I believe Gleason's patent was not for the map, but as a time chart.
It is definitely a copy of The North Polar, or Unipolar, Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe. (Which see for comparison.)
The map is definetly  a projection, but definetly not "of J.S. Christopher."

You may now know because you read something, but as you can see from that source it is NOT a projection...it is an extorsion.

And the fact the flat earth does not have poles is correct.

It has a pole.

All FE maps are simply Azimuthal Globe Projection maps:

Quote from: rabinoz on August 29, 2018, 05:42:16 AM

So sorry it very clearly states that is is a projection: ON THE PROJECTION OF J.S. CHRISTOPHER.

No.

Being based on something does not translate into that same something.

Quote from: rabinoz on August 29, 2018, 05:42:16 AM

I was created for Gleason who really was an "ardent" flat-Earther:

Quote

Alexander Gleason, a civil engineer from Buffalo, NY, tested the flatness of the surface of lake Erie. He published Is the Bible from Heaven? (1890) and Is the Earth a Globe? (1893).

It was created based on "the projection of J. S. Christopher" though, I agree it was not created by  J. S. Christopher.

First thing you wrote with any semblance of correctness.

Quote from: rabinoz on August 29, 2018, 05:42:16 AM

I believe Gleason patented it as a time chart because there is no way that the US patent Office would patent a  Flat Earth Map !

Believe what you want.

You have nothing supporting your belief.

Quote from: rabinoz on August 29, 2018, 05:42:16 AM

And yes, I know what "extorsion" means.

You might like to read: Gleason's Map and here is a little extract:

Quote

Well, we certainly know what he said on his US Patent application from 1895.  Here is Gleason's concept drawing as submitted:

You can read the entire patent, which describes the map's use as a time calculator for students. But the most important passage from the flat-Earth standpoint is this:

The map is not so extorted as to lose the relative latitude and longitude of any places on the land or sea, but retains all latitudes and longitudes of places agreeing with other recognized authors; and as the proper relations of continents and countries all stand in their relative position to each other, they are thus impressed upon the mind of the student. The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.

The use of "extorted" in the sense of "distorted" is interesting here, but the intent is clear; the map is not "as it is" (which I think may have been a slogan of the map's publisher), but a projection that preserves the positions with regard to longitude lines, but not the distances between them (distances between lines of latitude, however, are preserved). And note his phrasing "the equator to the two poles." A flat Earth does not have poles.

From: Gleason's Map

Just note again that bit from the patent application: "The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles."

You did not know.

You may now know because you read something, but as you can see from that source it is NOT a projection...it is an extorsion.

And the fact the flat earth does not have poles is correct.

It has a pole.

You say " the flat earth does not have poles is correct." Incorrect in the real world - There is definitely a North Pole and there is definitely a South Pole.
You say "It has a pole" ....."a" usually means "one"....In this case, the "a pole" would mean "North Pole." .....No South Pole.

Gleason's map is simply copied from the North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe.
The flat earth "ice ring map" has a North Pole, but no South Pole. Antarctica is shown as the ice ring due to the extreme distortion in this projection south of the equator.

As previously mentioned, the map could not and was not patented. It was just patented as "A Time Chart."
Curious.........I could find no listing for the word "extorsion" in the dictionary. The nearest word correct to the definition is "distortion".
There is a word - "extortion" - Which means getty money or something of value by criminal means or threats.

Quote from: Danang on August 27, 2018, 09:01:37 PM

Please try south pole centered FE map.
The time zone lines are curved. It's the real physics time zones, not political time zones as applied today.
That's the difference of such map compared to globe map.

The time zones countries use is just a matter of convenience.  No one needs to adjust the time continuously as they move east or west.

It was only really with the advent of railways that individual cities started setting clocks to a national standard instead of their local mean solar time.  In the UK, this was called Railway time.

Mean solar time itself only became standard when accurate mechanical clocks were widely available.  Before then, the apparent solar time was used which varies slightly throughout the year.

Have you ever traveled across the U.S.A. (or on any other country) where you set your watches and/or clocks ahead 1 hour or back 1 hour depending your direction when you cross from one time zone to the other ?

In RMS Titanic's time in 1912, the clocks were set back every midnight, according to how far the ship had traveled. There are notes that some examples were setting the clocks back 23 minutes on one occasion.

Quote from: che.cazzo on August 28, 2018, 11:22:54 PM

Are you seriously serious
- So when I talk to my family/friends on the other side of the world it's really the same time as here ?
- So when it's day time here for many hours, it's not really night time on the other side for many hours ?

and the reason for this incredible conspiracy is ??

How you you get through the day mate ?
Aren't you embarrassed to show your face in public ?
Hasn't your family & friends shunned you or tried to have you committed ?

Might I suggest that magellanclavichord might be having you on. Read the other posts by magellanclavichord.

So there's serious FE's & FE's who like to joke around.
Well that makes it even more complicated.
OK, I'll read further & ask more questions before I start shooting

Have any of you real FE's applied for the Darwin awards ?
You would be red hot favourites.