I love how you guys think there is no proof for a flat earth

I agree with this. If FEers want to use relativity to show how the Earth could be accelerating forever, they also should accept that gravity is a logical consequence of relativity.

Who said the metors are not traveling at roughly the same speed as us?

So why does the acceleration stop?  Up until a short time before their fall they had to accelerate along with us, then the acceration slowly decreased.

Really shakey.

If the meteors were traveling at a constant velocity very near to lightspeed, then even though the Earth has a constant acceleration relative to some things, it would have very little acceleration relative to these meteors by now, and so would only catch up to them rather slowly.

If the meteors were traveling at a constant velocity very near to lightspeed, then even though the Earth has a constant acceleration relative to some things, it would have very little acceleration relative to these meteors by now, and so would only catch up to them rather slowly.

So meteors were shot out into ?space?  ahead of the earth at various speeds, and we have been catching up to them over time?

I guess that almost works, but if we ever hit a comet (since we see them periodically, they msut be accelerating along with us), then there'll be a lot of explaining to do!

I guess that almost works, but if we ever hit a comet (since we see them periodically, they msut be accelerating along with us), then there'll be a lot of explaining to do!

How does that apply only to the FE?

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Why not?  The RE says the same thing about gravity.  It works, but you don't know why.

But we do know why.  Just because we can't see it working with our eyes doesn't mean we don't understand how or why it works.  

We know how it works?  Then please explain to me how spacetime knows how and by how much to distort based on it's distance from, and  in response to, a variable mass.

You are telling me what happens, not why it happens.

I agree with this. If FEers want to use relativity to show how the Earth could be accelerating forever, they also should accept that gravity is a logical consequence of relativity.

I accept that acceleration is a logical consequence of relativity.

Some points to counter-point a flat earth.

If the earth is flat, how deep is it? If its not very deep, than explain underground mining, volcanoes, and oceans/seas.

If a meteor hit a supposed "flat earth" on the side, meaning the 'thin' side, wouldn't the "flat earth" rip? (logically speaking) If the meteor hit the earth from above, wouldn't it go right through the earth? (If being flat of course, because if not, than the world would be a cube or prism)

How does water stay on a flat earth? Is there a wall on the edges of the world preventing it from falling off? If there is NO wall, than why is there still oceans on Earth?

A flat Earth is illogical.  A cubed one is more like it. =]

Some points to counter-point a flat earth.

If the earth is flat, how deep is it? If its not very deep, than explain underground mining, volcanoes, and oceans/seas.

It's very deep.

If a meteor hit a supposed "flat earth" on the side, meaning the 'thin' side, wouldn't the "flat earth" rip? (logically speaking) If the meteor hit the earth from above, wouldn't it go right through the earth?

No.

How does water stay on a flat earth? Is there a wall on the edges of the world preventing it from falling off? If there is NO wall, than why is there still oceans on Earth?

There is a wall.

If the Earth is very deep, than there must mean there is a side of the earth, making the earth not flat, but a polygon of some sorta. Meaning it's NOT FLAT.
If the earth IS flat, than there cannot be sides to the Earth. Thus meaning it isnt flat. It is a cube.

check.

If the Earth is very deep, than there must mean there is a side of the earth, making the earth not flat, but a polygon of some sorta.

check.

Thanks for the info, Captain Obvious.

A 3-dimensional disk is a polygon?

A 2 sided object is not a polygon.

A 2 sided object is not a polygon.

Neither is a cylinder.

Technically, its not 2 sided. It has a non-flat side? =]

Quote from: "Bob Barnes"

Quote from: "TheEngineer"

Why not?  The RE says the same thing about gravity.  It works, but you don't know why.

But we do know why.  Just because we can't see it working with our eyes doesn't mean we don't understand how or why it works.  

We know how it works?  Then please explain to me how spacetime knows how and by how much to distort based on it's distance from, and  in response to, a variable mass.

You are telling me what happens, not why it happens.

If you read my following post, I explained in rather simple terms exactly how it works.

If you read my following post, I explained in rather simple terms exactly how it works.

I assume you mean this:

Gravity occurs because all objects distort the 4-dimensional space in which they exist. Objects with higher density or higher mass will distort space more than lower ones do. Thus, we are pulled into the space-distortion created by the Earth, just as it is pulled into the distortion caused by the sun, and etc.

Once again, you are explaining what gravity does, not how it does it.  Which should be an easy answer for you since, as you pointed out:

Just because we can't see it working with our eyes doesn't mean we don't understand how or why it works.

I think we need a big flashing banner saying that no one actually knows what causes gravity. Radius and mass determines how much, but we don't know how it's caused. It's said too much

The entire reason I started the whole gravity thing is because RE'ers get all upset when the FE can't explain how something works, like the UA.  It's a double standard when they can't even explain how something so fundamental as gravity works.

At least RE makes more sense, uniform acceleration requires infinite energy, gravity doesn't.

Major Edit
Sorry about the hypocritical comment, I was aiming that at the FE.

WTF???  I explained how it works, dinkus.  Gravity is the force of objects being pulled into depressions in space time caused by objects of even greater mass.  What the hell else were you looking for?  You can't look at my plain as day explanation, then demand I explain, then call me a hypocrite for not explaining.  

Here, let me help you: Space.  Curved.  Earth.  Big ball.  Earth curve space.  We fall in.  

And I'm still dumbfounded by the fact that FErs refuse to acknowledge that they can witness the curvature of the Earth with their own eyes on any ocean in the world.  The curvature of the Earth is plainly visible if you just freaking look at it!

WTF???  I explained how it works, dinkus.  Gravity is the force of objects being pulled into depressions in space time caused by objects of even greater mass.  What the hell else were you looking for?  You can't look at my plain as day explanation, then demand I explain, then call me a hypocrite for not explaining.  

WHAT CAUSES THE SPACE TO WARP?  What mechanism tells space to deform and by how much?  Objects being pulled into depressions by what?  Extra gravity?

At least RE makes more sense, uniform acceleration requires infinite energy, gravity doesn't.

So when I accelerate at a constant rate in my car, I should run out of gas instantly?

Quote from: "Bob Barnes"

WTF???  I explained how it works, dinkus.  Gravity is the force of objects being pulled into depressions in space time caused by objects of even greater mass.  What the hell else were you looking for?  You can't look at my plain as day explanation, then demand I explain, then call me a hypocrite for not explaining.  

WHAT CAUSES THE SPACE TO WARP?  What mechanism tells space to deform and by how much?  Objects being pulled into depressions by what?  Extra gravity?

Space is warped by the objects that exist in it!  It is the physical nature of space to be warped by mass.  That resulting warpage is called gravity.  Gravity causes objects in space to be pulled to one another, as they all exert that warping of space.

There are mathematical equations which clearly demonstrate the exact amount of gravity that is exerted between masses.  Would you like to see them?

Space is warped by the objects that exist in it!  It is the physical nature of space to be warped by mass.  That resulting warpage is called gravity.  Gravity causes objects in space to be pulled to one another, as they all exert that warping of space.

Let me spell this out for you.  You say that space interacts with matter to warp.  So, how does space know how much matter is in an object?  How does space know how far away it is from the object?  Since space distorts in response to these two variables, how does matter communicate with space?  

There are mathematical equations which clearly demonstrate the exact amount of gravity that is exerted between masses.  Would you like to see them?

Why?  They don't tell me what gravity is.

When you drop a rock into water, how does water know how much of itself to displace to fit that rock?

Unless you are claiming that water knows how to displace by gravity, that analogy is moot.

It's the exact same concept!

Hmm, so mass pushes on the intermolecular bonds of empty space and expands space?  How does that explain gravity?

Hmm, so mass pushes on the intermolecular bonds of empty space and expands space?  How does that explain gravity?

That is the explanation of gravity.  The resultant depression on space is gravity.

Except I don't think it could be described as an intermolecular bond.  You'd have to get someone more familiar with quantum mechanics to describe the specific makeup of the spacetime fabric.