I love how you guys think there is no proof for a flat earth

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I love how you guys think there is no proof for a flat earth
« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2006, 02:59:30 PM »
Quote from: "fathomak"
Two things that must be said before I say anything relevant to the topic:

1.) Sorry for the revival of such an old topic

2.) I didn't notice whether or not this was mentioned earlier in the topic, so I'm trying it now.

That said, let's proceed.



Now you've done it!  : )

Actually using Bullshi....sorry..BullHorn's idea of Meteor hits, the world would be more effected by them under the accelerating disk model.

As his "Tons and tons" of stellar stuff crash into the world, not only would the accelerating mass of the earth be slowed down by their mass, but it would also be slowed down by their kinetic energy.  Still almost 0 effect, but greater than simply adding mass to the RE.  We would be getting lighter on the FE.

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« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2006, 03:05:30 PM »
Sorry, now that this has gone on to a new page I feel I have to repost this important bit of info because I know a lot of people aren't going to look back.  And considering how much time it took to get to this conclusion...

The earth would have to be bombarded by 1 billion kg of debris per day every day for over 100 billion years in order for a 150lb man to suddenly feel as though he weighs 151 lbs.

But now that you bring it up Curious, what does the FE model say about meteors?  Are they just small particles floating somewhere in the path of the accelerating earth, so that when the earth reaches them they seem to be moving fast?  If they were just floating stationary above the earth, they'd have reached relativistic speeds LONG before the earth got to them.
 captain is sailing through the arctic. The first mate runs up and says to him, "captain, there is an iceberg dead ahead. What should we do?" The captain looks at the iceberg, then glances at his map and says, "there's no iceberg here! Keep going!"

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« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2006, 06:31:43 PM »
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I have explained several times on this forum how the idea of gravity cannot possibly work.  I will give the example of how you round Earthers believe that the more mass an object has the greater its gravitational index/force. If we were to believe this as true, then how come when the Earth is bombarded by comets and asteroids and its weight is increased by tons upon tons everyday it is not harder for use to move on this "planet". Why after millions of years are we still able to move?  How is it possible that every year human beings are breaking records in sports, running faster, jumping higher?  That should be proof enough that the Earth is not round.  dont say becuase of advances in training. This may help becasue since the earth has no gravity we are able to advance on an equal plane.  TELL ME HOW THIS COULD NOT BE CORRECT


Wow, shocking.  Shocking that anyone would even consider this a legitimate argument.

Gravity is one of the weakest forces in all of physics.  It takes the combined mass of something monumentally huge, such as the Earth (which on a celestial scale is incredibly small), rather than the negligible mass of meteors, which usually break up in the atmosphere and become vaporous.  Gases have extremely low densities and hence exert even less gravity.

Incidentally, it's that very same gravity which pulls meteors to the Earth, which keeps us all from flying out into space, which keeps a spherical planet in orbit around the sun, etc etc.
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« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2006, 10:43:30 PM »
1. Your life bullhorn, is too short for you to ever notice the effect of added mass over millenia. You would be dead long before any noticable change would happen.

2. The earth does gain some mass from metor falls, it is almost insignificant but it is there.However, the earth also looses mass due to the centrifugal effect ,itself due to its rotation. In case you're wondering,it is mostly lost at the equator (look up equatorial bulge if you wish to know more about that) which again negligible. That loss and gain tends to nullify each other, so that the earth does not significantly increase or decrease in mass.

So there you have it, it's pretty simple. And it doesn't even need any unexplainable illusions or a conspiracy.
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« Reply #64 on: November 01, 2006, 10:48:49 PM »
Ah, I spent all that time getting those numbers and not one person has said a thing about it.  Doesn't that amaze anybody?  1 billion kg a day every day for 110 billion years just for a guy to gain a pound?
 captain is sailing through the arctic. The first mate runs up and says to him, "captain, there is an iceberg dead ahead. What should we do?" The captain looks at the iceberg, then glances at his map and says, "there's no iceberg here! Keep going!"

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« Reply #65 on: November 02, 2006, 03:56:19 AM »
you are SO right, fathomak.
you see, that's the kind of evidences that FE belivers do not have.

I've been reading about Galileo's life and there's a nice thing that remembers me about FE belivers... it's about how supporters of tolemaic system simply refused to look through his telescope because it was such a clear evidence of what him and Copernicus were talking about. your simple calculations are our telescope... great job. =)

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« Reply #66 on: November 02, 2006, 05:28:32 AM »
"Q: "What about gravity?"

A1: The Earth is accelerating upwards at 1g (9.8m/s-2) along with every star, sun and moon in the universe. This produces the same effect as gravity. "

The earth would have to be constantly accelerating, IE, gaining speed. If it were doing this, yes, a disc shaped earth could maintain gravity, but wouldn't it eventually reach the speed of light?


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« Reply #67 on: November 02, 2006, 05:53:10 AM »
No.


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« Reply #68 on: November 02, 2006, 06:43:52 AM »
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"Q: "What about gravity?"

A1: The Earth is accelerating upwards at 1g (9.8m/s-2) along with every star, sun and moon in the universe. This produces the same effect as gravity. "

The earth would have to be constantly accelerating, IE, gaining speed. If it were doing this, yes, a disc shaped earth could maintain gravity, but wouldn't it eventually reach the speed of light?


A common misconception.  Actually Einstein's theory of special relativity clearly demonstrates that an obect could accelerate indefinitely and never reach the speed of light.  Of course strange things would happen for somebody standing still watching this object constantly accelerate - most noticably significant time dialation would occur.

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« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2006, 06:45:00 AM »
Quote from: "fathomak"
Ah, I spent all that time getting those numbers and not one person has said a thing about it.  Doesn't that amaze anybody?  1 billion kg a day every day for 110 billion years just for a guy to gain a pound?


That was pretty damn cool.
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« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2006, 07:05:25 AM »
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"Q: "What about gravity?"

A1: The Earth is accelerating upwards at 1g (9.8m/s-2) along with every star, sun and moon in the universe. This produces the same effect as gravity. "

The earth would have to be constantly accelerating, IE, gaining speed. If it were doing this, yes, a disc shaped earth could maintain gravity, but wouldn't it eventually reach the speed of light?


A common misconception.  Actually Einstein's theory of special relativity clearly demonstrates that an obect could accelerate indefinitely and never reach the speed of light.  Of course strange things would happen for somebody standing still watching this object constantly accelerate - most noticably significant time dialation would occur.


Which would be a problem with a Universe with finite duration.

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« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2006, 07:09:45 AM »
Quote from: "fathomak"
Sorry, now that this has gone on to a new page I feel I have to repost this important bit of info because I know a lot of people aren't going to look back.  And considering how much time it took to get to this conclusion...

The earth would have to be bombarded by 1 billion kg of debris per day every day for over 100 billion years in order for a 150lb man to suddenly feel as though he weighs 151 lbs.

But now that you bring it up Curious, what does the FE model say about meteors?  Are they just small particles floating somewhere in the path of the accelerating earth, so that when the earth reaches them they seem to be moving fast?  If they were just floating stationary above the earth, they'd have reached relativistic speeds LONG before the earth got to them.


As I said, the earth would be more affected by meteors...either they are affected by the "Dark Energy" acceleration and can not fall, or they are not and would hit with greater and greater relative velocity.

The Flat earth would have as many holes in it as the theories do!   :wink:

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« Reply #72 on: November 02, 2006, 07:28:23 AM »
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or they are not and would hit with greater and greater relative velocity.

They seem to be going pretty fast to me.


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« Reply #73 on: November 02, 2006, 08:40:56 AM »
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They seem to be going pretty fast to me.


Classically, if we spent even 1 year accelerating at 9.8m/s^2 we'd have just passed the speed of light.

Yes, they hit fast, but they don't hit that fast.
 captain is sailing through the arctic. The first mate runs up and says to him, "captain, there is an iceberg dead ahead. What should we do?" The captain looks at the iceberg, then glances at his map and says, "there's no iceberg here! Keep going!"

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« Reply #74 on: November 02, 2006, 08:57:14 AM »
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Classically, if we spent even 1 year accelerating at 9.8m/s^2 we'd have just passed the speed of light.


Yes, using Newtonian mechanics we would. But we're not.

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« Reply #75 on: November 02, 2006, 08:58:40 AM »
It's a good thing that Newtonian mechanics don't apply at relativistic speeds.


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« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2006, 09:45:39 AM »
Why on Earth would Earth be constantly accelerating?  Does the magic turtle that's carrying it have rocket feet?
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« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2006, 09:46:48 AM »
No, there is a (currently unknown) mechanism that is accelerating the Earth and most of the major bodies in the visible universe at a constant rate of 9.8m/s/s.
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« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2006, 10:23:10 AM »
Currently unknown.  See, when the whole of science is against you, you can't just say "It exists!  But we have no idea how where when or why."

The FErs won't be taken seriously until they can provide ample evidence for their case, and despite what they claim, I still haven't seen any.
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« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2006, 10:36:34 AM »
Why not?  The RE says the same thing about gravity.  It works, but you don't know why.


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« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2006, 10:39:25 AM »
If the moon and sun are directly above us and the same unknown thing is accelerating them, wouldn't we be able to observe whatever it is that is accelerating them?

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« Reply #81 on: November 02, 2006, 10:56:49 AM »
If in the RE there is some force that keeps pulling me to the earth, wouldn't we be able to see whatever it is that is doing this to me?


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« Reply #82 on: November 02, 2006, 10:59:59 AM »
Um big red gravity arrows pointing down follow me everywhere so...
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« Reply #83 on: November 02, 2006, 11:02:01 AM »
You can't see electromagnetism, so why would you be able to see gravity?
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« Reply #84 on: November 02, 2006, 11:11:21 AM »
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Classically, if we spent even 1 year accelerating at 9.8m/s^2 we'd have just passed the speed of light.

 


Yes, using Newtonian mechanics we would. But we're not.


The point is that we'd be at relativistic speeds.

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You can't see electromagnetism, so why would you be able to see gravity?


Electromagnetism is consistent with FE theory, but gravity isn't, so they must have some excuse to throw it out.
 captain is sailing through the arctic. The first mate runs up and says to him, "captain, there is an iceberg dead ahead. What should we do?" The captain looks at the iceberg, then glances at his map and says, "there's no iceberg here! Keep going!"

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« Reply #85 on: November 02, 2006, 11:45:13 AM »
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The point is that we'd be at relativistic speeds.

And?


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« Reply #86 on: November 02, 2006, 12:08:55 PM »
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I think what fathomak is trying to say is that if the UA actually exists, the Earth would be moving at roughly the speed of light relative to the rest of the universe.

Consequentially, the meteors that enter our atmosphere would be moving at roughly the speed of light.

Now we have collected meteorites on the ground, we understand their composition and properties very well, we have even seen some of them enter our atmosphere, and they are not moving at 3*10^m/s.  They are moving fast, but not that fast.

In fact, as near as we can tell, meteors enter our atmosphere at about 30 km/s, which coincidentally is the speed RE says that the Earth rotates around the sun!

I think this is strong evidence that the UA is the incorrect model.
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« Reply #87 on: November 02, 2006, 12:11:13 PM »
Who said the metors are not traveling at roughly the same speed as us?


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« Reply #89 on: November 02, 2006, 12:40:05 PM »
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Why not?  The RE says the same thing about gravity.  It works, but you don't know why.


But we do know why.  Just because we can't see it working with our eyes doesn't mean we don't understand how or why it works.  Gravity occurs because all objects distort the 4-dimensional space in which they exist.  Objects with higher density or higher mass will distort space more than lower ones do.  Thus, we are pulled into the space-distortion created by the Earth, just as it is pulled into the distortion caused by the sun, and etc.

Conversely, centrifugal force keeps the Earth from crashing into the sun.

The whole of physics is firmly founded on the theory of General Relativity.  You can't dispute this universally accepted principle with "I don't know why, but it doesn't exist."
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