Time Zones

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Re: Time Zones
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2018, 05:36:09 PM »
Have any of you real FE's applied for the Darwin awards ?

One doesn't apply for a Darwin Award. They're given posthumously, or, perhaps, after a mishap that causes ones own sterilization.

The Darwin Awards salute the improvement of the human genome by honoring those who accidentally remove themselves from it...
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Re: Time Zones
« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2018, 05:46:03 PM »
Please try south pole centered FE map.
The time zone lines are curved. It's the real physics time zones, not political time zones as applied today.
That's the difference of such map compared to globe map.

The time zones countries use is just a matter of convenience.  No one needs to adjust the time continuously as they move east or west.

It was only really with the advent of railways that individual cities started setting clocks to a national standard instead of their local mean solar time.  In the UK, this was called Railway time.

Mean solar time itself only became standard when accurate mechanical clocks were widely available.  Before then, the apparent solar time was used which varies slightly throughout the year.

Have you ever traveled across the U.S.A. (or on any other country) where you set your watches and/or clocks ahead 1 hour or back 1 hour depending your direction when you cross from one time zone to the other ?

In RMS Titanic's time in 1912, the clocks were set back every midnight, according to how far the ship had traveled. There are notes that some examples were setting the clocks back 23 minutes on one occasion.

I see. This is a human & nature relation. Interesting.

Now I am curious how globe map identifies its lines/grids, either in the same latitude as well as the same longitude.

Is it pure square, or curved? Do they condider the curvature or let flat surface be just as the base?
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Re: Time Zones
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2018, 05:53:23 PM »
Have any of you real FE's applied for the Darwin awards ?

One doesn't apply for a Darwin Award. They're given posthumously, or, perhaps, after a mishap that causes ones own sterilization.

The Darwin Awards salute the improvement of the human genome by honoring those who accidentally remove themselves from it...
You can also opt to sterilise yourself which gives you more time to win a Darwin Award.
You guys have plenty of documentation to win the award.

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Danang

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Re: Time Zones
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2018, 05:59:25 PM »
Please try south pole centered FE map.
The time zone lines are curved. It's the real physics time zones, not political time zones as applied today.
That's the difference of such map compared to globe map.

The time zones countries use is just a matter of convenience.  No one needs to adjust the time continuously as they move east or west.

It was only really with the advent of railways that individual cities started setting clocks to a national standard instead of their local mean solar time.  In the UK, this was called Railway time.

Mean solar time itself only became standard when accurate mechanical clocks were widely available.  Before then, the apparent solar time was used which varies slightly throughout the year.

Canada is complicated for this matter. Not only the time zones are so varied, but also they change the usual time based on certain season.

Ya...we have a day light savings adjustment, magically in line when the tilt of earth points us (canada) towards the sun causing an increased day and a shift in time of sunrise.
Think about what you just said and how that would work out and how wide canada is.

If the true map was already presented, it would be easier to answer.
Anyway, I don't follow all globe map informations. I so far just play on logics & hypothesis. And while the research goes,  evidences showed up one by one conforming my propositions.
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Re: Time Zones
« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2018, 08:05:43 PM »
Please try south pole centered FE map.
The time zone lines are curved. It's the real physics time zones, not political time zones as applied today.
That's the difference of such map compared to globe map.

The time zones countries use is just a matter of convenience.  No one needs to adjust the time continuously as they move east or west.

It was only really with the advent of railways that individual cities started setting clocks to a national standard instead of their local mean solar time.  In the UK, this was called Railway time.

Mean solar time itself only became standard when accurate mechanical clocks were widely available.  Before then, the apparent solar time was used which varies slightly throughout the year.

Canada is complicated for this matter. Not only the time zones are so varied, but also they change the usual time based on certain season.

Ya...we have a day light savings adjustment, magically in line when the tilt of earth points us (canada) towards the sun causing an increased day and a shift in time of sunrise.
Think about what you just said and how that would work out and how wide canada is.

If the true map was already presented, it would be easier to answer.
Anyway, I don't follow all globe map informations. I so far just play on logics & hypothesis. And while the research goes,  evidences showed up one by one conforming my propositions.

It is simple. The globe is the true map.
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Danang

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Re: Time Zones
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2018, 08:31:28 PM »
Have any of you real FE's applied for the Darwin awards ?

One doesn't apply for a Darwin Award. They're given posthumously, or, perhaps, after a mishap that causes ones own sterilization.

The Darwin Awards salute the improvement of the human genome by honoring those who accidentally remove themselves from it...
You can also opt to sterilise yourself which gives you more time to win a Darwin Award.
You guys have plenty of documentation to win the award.

Meanwhile "the politicians with academic robes" don't like things & people that refute their (made up) views.
They are ruling in big, formal institutions.

As to flatearthers, they are always aware that they're just guerrillas in "remote areas".  :)  8)

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Re: Time Zones
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2018, 09:55:53 PM »

You can also opt to sterilise (sic) yourself which gives you more time to win a Darwin Award.

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Re: Time Zones
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2018, 11:24:17 PM »

Have you ever traveled across the U.S.A. (or on any other country) where you set your watches and/or clocks ahead 1 hour or back 1 hour depending your direction when you cross from one time zone to the other ?

In RMS Titanic's time in 1912, the clocks were set back every midnight, according to how far the ship had traveled. There are notes that some examples were setting the clocks back 23 minutes on one occasion.

Sure.  But they are still big well defined zones with jumps of one hour.  It’s not the same as every town having it’s own local clock for the “real” local time.


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Re: Time Zones
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2018, 12:59:52 AM »
So sorry it very clearly states that is is a projection: ON THE PROJECTION OF J.S. CHRISTOPHER.
No. Being based on something does not translate into that same something.
That Local time chart patented by Alexander Gleason was based ON THE PROJECTION OF J.S. CHRISTOPHER.

Quote from: totallackey
I was created for Gleason who really was an "ardent" flat-Earther:
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Alexander Gleason, a civil engineer from Buffalo, NY, tested the flatness of the surface of lake Erie. He published Is the Bible from Heaven? (1890) and Is the Earth a Globe? (1893).

It was created based on "the projection of J. S. Christopher" though, I agree it was not created by  J. S. Christopher.
First thing you wrote with any semblance of correctness.
I believe Gleason patented it as a time chart because there is no way that the US patent Office would patent a  ::) Flat Earth Map ::)!
Believe what you want. You have nothing supporting your belief.
So sorry, Mr T. Lackey, but I certainly do have something very official supporting my certain knowledge!
Read Gleason's patent application at: US497917A, US Grant, Alexander Gleason, G09B29/14 Local time charts.
And here is the last part of that application. Would Alexander Gleason's own words adequate evidence?:
Quote from: Alexander Gleason
Thus the time stands all ready computed to any child who is able to read the time of day from the face of an ordinary clock. Again, in order to give the child the most simple lesson first I would get the difference of the time between the two places as above mentioned, then placing the arm G at twelve, of course the arm H will stand at five p. m. for London, and there is no computation or counting for the child to make; he thus reads the hour and fractional part thereof from the dial of the map. The utility of such a computating map will be obvious, not only to the school child but for an adult or oflicial person. The map is not so extorted as to lose the relative latitude and longitude of any places on the land or sea, but retains all latitudes and longitudes of places agreeing with other recognized authors; and as the proper relations of continents and countries all stand in their relative position to each other, they are thus impressed upon the mind of the student.

The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.

I claim as my invention: The combination with a time chart of a circular time dial encompassing the circular map, a disk or dial graduated and divided to indicate longitude and sun time on any meridian line or intervening lines, two indicating arms loosely pivoted to the center of the circular map, numerals indicating degrees of longitude on each of said arms, and a pivoted joint for holding said arms together so the friction between them will be sufficient to hold them one to the other at any point to which one may be moved on the other and permit both to be moved together by turning one, substantially as and for the purposes described.

ALEXANDER GLEASON. Witnesses:

JAMES SANGSTER, JENNIE M. CALDWELL.
Quote from: totallackey

You may now know because you read something, but as you can see from that source it is NOT a projection...it is an extorsion.
And do you what an extorsion is? Today it is mainly used in a medical context as:
Quote from: Merriam-Webster, Medical Dictionary
extorsion
Medical Definition of extorsion
: outward rotation (as of a body part) about an axis or fixed point
And note that Alexander Gleason states, "The map is not so extorted as to lose the relative latitude and longitude of any places on the land or sea, but retains all latitudes and longitudes of places agreeing with other recognized authors" and "The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles".
He straightened out of the curved meridian lines of the Globe to the straight meridian lines of the "Gleason Time Chart" and "the relative latitude and longitude" on the Gleason Time Chart agree with standard maps.

But note that he says nothing about either distances or directions being preserved and they aren't.

Quote from: totallackey
And the fact the flat earth does not have poles is correct.
It has a pole.
Incorrect Alexander Gleason himself wrote: "from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles".

And please note a couple of very knowledgeable flat-earthers accept that Antarctica is an island continent and that there is a single South Pole.
Tom Bishop makes no claim that the "Bipolar Map" is just as "basic continental layout" but Sandokhan claims his is "THE TRUE Flat Earth Map".

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Re: Time Zones
« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2018, 07:44:12 PM »
Let the discourse lead to the most logical one.

The most logical answer is that the earth isn't flat.

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Re: Time Zones
« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2018, 01:51:22 PM »
... Hasn't your family & friends [...] tried to have you committed ?

They try. They try.  ;)