NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?

Quote from: Copper Knickers on August 19, 2018, 02:18:44 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 19, 2018, 01:51:51 PM

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Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 18, 2018, 11:37:49 PM

The Flat Earth Society officially switched over to a Bi-polar model in the early 1900's after the discovery of the South Pole, and never officially switched back.The existence of the Monopole model has been purely a result of people reading some of the older literature before the discovery of the South Pole and not reading the later research.

This kind of implies that the South Pole wasn't known to be there and that Amundsen and later Scott just happened upon it. What amazing luck!

It was theorized to exist.

Indeed, and the explorers validated the theory. What was the basis for that theory, do you suppose?

Its based on the theory of magnets. Magnets have two poles. The Earth has two poles. If the Earth is Flat, it has two poles. Makes sense to me.

Are you honestly claiming that Amundsen set forth on his adventure based on the 'theory of magnets'? Why, then, would he expend so much effort getting to the geographic south pole rather than the magnetic one? It doesn't make sense. Citation requested.

Quote from: Copper Knickers on August 19, 2018, 02:18:44 PM

Indeed, and the explorers validated the theory. What was the basis for that theory, do you suppose?

Its based on the theory of magnets. Magnets have two poles. The Earth has two poles. If the Earth is Flat, it has two poles. Makes sense to me.

Thats total rubbish.  A magnet can have a south pole in the centre and a north pole distributed around the outside, roughly like a speaker magnet:Or even a vertical bar magnet with the south pole point up as the disk earth's north magnetic pole.

But Amundsen and Scott KNEW that there was a South Pole because they and most people before them knew that the earth was a Globe!

If they didn't believe that the earth was a Globe why were terrestrial Globes being made before 1500 AD?They KNEW that there was a South Pole!

And I do wish that modern flat-earthers would realise that the none of the many current flat-earth cosmologies bear any relationship to the flat-earth cosmologies of the ancient cosmologies of the Babylonians and Hebrews or even the Chinese.

Apart from some early Taoists, as far as I can ascertain none of those models had the celestial objects circling above the flat earth.

Its based on the theory of magnets. Magnets have two poles. The Earth has two poles. If the Earth is Flat, it has two poles. Makes sense to me.

No. It had nothing at all to do with magnets.
It was to do with the fact that Earth was a rotating roughly spherical object.

A rotating object has an axis of rotation. This axis passes through 2 points, one at the north and one at the south.
The location where it passes through the north side is the north pole, and the location where it passes through the south side is the south pole.
The decision of north and south is based upon the right hand rule (at least now) where if you wrap the fingers on your right hand around the object, such that it rotates from your palm to your fingertips, your thumb points north.

Meanwhile, for magnets it is only an ideal dipole and the like which has 2 poles.
You can combine the dipoles to make a single pole at the centre with a ring of opposite polarity, or you can have a multipole, where a common example is a common fridge magnet.

The men you discussed were not trying to filocate a south magnetic pole (note: A, not THE. Due to Earth's magnetic field not being an ideal dipole it is possible for Earth to generate multiple poles which likely occurs during polarity switching). That is quite accessible, being quite close to the Antarctic shore (and now in the ocean), and quite distant from the geographic south pole.
The pole these men set out to go to (again, they weren't trying to confirm its existence, they already knew it existed, they just wanted to go there) was the pole associated with rotation, where the stars would appear to remain at the same height and circle around you. It had nothing at all to do with magnets.


For a FE, it can have 2 poles associated with rotation, one on the top side, one on the bottom, and the same can apply as a magnet.
It could also be like a ring magnet, having one pole in the centre and a ring of opposite polarity.
Having 2 discrete poles just asks why this location is special. And that is one major problem with the bi-polar model. Why is any longitude preferred? How do you decide which is the magic one which has a straight line connecting north and south?

Samuel Shenton founded the Flat Earth Society in 1956, after renaming it from the Universal Zetetic Society so the reigns sort of passed to a society called "The Flat Earth Society".

Who passed what reigns? His society was called the "International Flat Earth Research Society," and our models bear no resemblance to his model that has a literal seven heavens and angles who create the winds.

But Shenton's model of the flat earth was:

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that the earth was a flat disk centred on the North Pole with the zetetic notion of the South Pole being an impenetrable wall of ice, that marked the edge of the pit that is the earth in the endless flat plane forming the universe.

That's Rowbotham's basic model.

In other words, more or less the current Ice-Wall flat earth.

And Samuel Shenton developed his Ice-Wall model long after the South Pole had been visited many time and Antarctica quite well explored.

So I fail to see how you can claim that "The Flat Earth Society officially switched over to a Bi-polar model in the early 1900's".

No one thinks Shenton and Johnson's versions were real successors to the Zetetic Society and the Universal Zetetic Society. The Zetetic Society and the Universal Zetetic Society were real scientific organizations with a budget and who conducted real scientific research, while Shenton and Johnson revived only the basic concepts of the past and were running one-man-shows.

The answer is simply that the Bi-polar model was not Samuel Shenton's model and never has been the official model of "The Flat Earth Society".

Who is Samuel Shenton and what has he contributed to the Flat Earth model? Last I checked we didn't have a literal seven heavens or angles creating the winds in our model. There were several people who had their own Flat Earth and Zetetic Society relaunch attempts, not just Shenton.

Now you may wonder why I labour this so much!
The point is that neither Samuel Rowbotham nor Samuel Shenton had any right to construct a cosmology and a layout for the earth when they were provably so ignorant of geography and the most elementary astronomy!

You don't know the first thing about what astronomy even is, or how things are predicted. I see you as the ignorant one.

Are you honestly claiming that Amundsen set forth on his adventure based on the 'theory of magnets'? Why, then, would he expend so much effort getting to the geographic south pole rather than the magnetic one? It doesn't make sense. Citation requested.

Where did I say anything about Amundsen? The South Geographic Pole was discovered at around the same time as the South Magnetic Pole. Both were theorized to exist. One involved magnets and the other involved the position of the sun. Learn history.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 19, 2018, 02:49:20 PM

Its based on the theory of magnets. Magnets have two poles. The Earth has two poles. If the Earth is Flat, it has two poles. Makes sense to me.

No. It had nothing at all to do with magnets.
It was to do with the fact that Earth was a rotating roughly spherical object.

False. People were looking for the South Magnetic Pole.

The men you discussed were not trying to filocate a south magnetic pole

What men? I don't recall writing Amundsen.

The pole these men set out to go to (again, they weren't trying to confirm its existence, they already knew it existed, they just wanted to go there) was the pole associated with rotation, where the stars would appear to remain at the same height and circle around you. It had nothing at all to do with magnets.

I said nothing about Amundsen. People were looking for, and discovered, the South Magnetic Pole at the same time.

But Amundsen and Scott KNEW that there was a South Pole because they and most people before them knew that the earth was a Globe!

If they didn't believe that the earth was a Globe why were terrestrial Globes being made before 1500 AD?

What are you talking about? I said nothing about Amundsen, or what shape they believed the earth to be.

His society was called the "International Flat Earth Research Society,"

And the one you discussed was called "the Zetetic Society".
So where is this official FE society that officially adopted the bipolar model?

The Zetetic Society and the Universal Zetetic Society were real scientific organizations with a budget and who conducted real scientific research

No they weren't.
If they were, they wouldn't be pretending Earth was flat.

There were several people who had their own Flat Earth and Zetetic Society relaunch attempts, not just Shenton.

And that is kind of the point. There is no official adoption of a model. There are a bunch of people with contradictory models, all of which fail to match reality.

I said nothing about Amundsen

No, instead you just tried deflecting an objection about the south pole being missing from the FE map, and pretend it was the magnetic pole people were focusing on.
The rotational pole is the killer for FE.
Also notice that in the delusional nonsense you linked it is primarily focusing on the apparent position of celestial objects, indicating it was the axis of rotation, not merely where the magnetic field is vertical?

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Are you honestly claiming that Amundsen set forth on his adventure based on the 'theory of magnets'? Why, then, would he expend so much effort getting to the geographic south pole rather than the magnetic one? It doesn't make sense. Citation requested.

Where did I say anything about Amundsen? The South Geographic Pole was discovered at around the same time as the South Magnetic Pole. Both were theorized to exist. One involved magnets and the other involved the position of the sun. Learn history.

In response to my point about Amundsen and Scott, you said:

Quote from: Copper Knickers on August 18, 2018, 11:58:40 PM

This kind of implies that the South Pole wasn't known to be there and that Amundsen and later Scott just happened upon it. What amazing luck!

It was theorized to exist.

Clearly, then, we are talking about the South Geographic Pole as that was Amundsen and Scott's aim. Learn history.

As you say, the Geographic South Pole was theorized to exist, but what was the basis of that theory? It involved a bit more than the position of the sun, wouldn't you say?

Quote from: rabinoz on August 19, 2018, 03:03:28 PM

Samuel Shenton founded the Flat Earth Society in 1956, after renaming it from the Universal Zetetic Society so the reigns sort of passed to a society called "The Flat Earth Society".

Who passed what reigns? His society was called the "International Flat Earth Research Society," and our models bear no resemblance to his model that has a literal seven heavens and angles who create the winds.

From your own society and links contained therein!

Samuel Shenton
Samuel Shenton, a Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and the Royal Geographic Society, founded the Flat Earth Society in 1956, after renaming it from the Universal Zetetic Society. He led the Flat Earth Society from its founding in 1956 until his death in 1971, at which time leadership passed to Charles K. Johnson. Shenton collected material, gave lectures and generated publicity for the Society so that by his death in 1971 the Society had over 100 members.

Universal Zetetic Society
The Universal Zetetic Society (UZS) was the precursor to the Flat Earth Society. It was founded shortly after the death of Samuel Rowbotham (aka Parallax) by Rowbotham's adherents. The UZS was active well into the early part of the 20th century, publishing many issues of a magazine titled The Earth Not a Globe Review. In 1971, the UZS was renamed The Flat Earth Society when Samuel Shenton became its leader.

Just how many Flat Earth Societys are there?

Flat Earth Society
In New York and England, Samuel Rowbotham created the Zetetic Society. Following his death, Lady Elizabeth Blount founded the Universal Zetetic Society. These societies were based on interpretations of the Bedford Level Experiment. These societies placed more emphasis on Biblical arguments for flat earth theory than the modern FES, but also provided scientific arguments as well.

In 1956 Samuel Shenton founded the International Flat Earth Society. The FES gained publicity in 1964 following the beginning of manned spaceflight and articles about Shenton in The New York Times.

Samuel Shenton died in 1971, and Charles K. Johnson created the International Flat Earth Society of America after inheriting part of Shenton's library and was able to raise membership to 3,000 people. Johnson dispersed newsletters, flyers, and other media to the public upon request.

However by 1980 the FES fell to 200 members. A house fire and the death of Johnson's wife further afflicted the FES in America. Johnson died on March 19, 2001, and the society no longer took in new members.

It has been revived in 2004 as an online community and the society was officially restarted in October 2009.

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But Shenton's model of the flat earth was:

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that the earth was a flat disk centred on the North Pole with the zetetic notion of the South Pole being an impenetrable wall of ice, that marked the edge of the pit that is the earth in the endless flat plane forming the universe.

That's Rowbotham's basic model.

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In other words, more or less the current Ice-Wall flat earth.

And Samuel Shenton developed his Ice-Wall model long after the South Pole had been visited many time and Antarctica quite well explored.

So I fail to see how you can claim that "The Flat Earth Society officially switched over to a Bi-polar model in the early 1900's".

No one thinks Shenton and Johnson's versions were real successors to the Zetetic Society and the Universal Zetetic Society. The Zetetic Society and the Universal Zetetic Society were real scientific organizations with a budget and who conducted real scientific research, while Shenton and Johnson revived only the basic concepts of the past and were running one-man-shows.

Your Flat Earth Society seems to. See the quotes above, "In 1956 Samuel Shenton founded the International Flat Earth Society. The FES gained publicity in 1964 following the beginning of manned spaceflight and articles about Shenton in The New York Times.

Samuel Shenton died in 1971, and Charles K. Johnson created the International Flat Earth Society of America
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it has been revived in 2004 as an online community and the society was officially restarted in October 2009".
How else could one interpret, "it has been revived in 2004" all under the history of the Flat Earth Society.

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The answer is simply that the Bi-polar model was not Samuel Shenton's model and never has been the official model of "The Flat Earth Society".

Who is Samuel Shenton and what has he contributed to the Flat Earth model? Last I checked we didn't have a literal seven heavens or angles creating the winds in our model. There were several people who had their own Flat Earth and Zetetic Society relaunch attempts, not just Shenton.

YOU ask "Who is Samuel Shenton"! Read your own Wiki! Samuel Shenton and "your Wiki" links to,

Samuel Shenton
Shenton soon constructed a cosmology, based partly on his interpretation of Genesis, that the earth was a flat disk centred on the North Pole with the zetetic notion of the South Pole being an impenetrable wall of ice, that marked the edge of the pit that is the earth in the endless flat plane forming the universe. The sun cast a narrow beam like a flashlight moving over a table as it traced flat circles that varied over the 365-day cycles. The sun was 32 miles (51 km) in diameter 3,000 miles (4,800 km) above the earth and the moon also 32 miles in diameter but only 2,550 miles (4,100 km) above the earth.

In 1956 he founded the Flat Earth Society as a direct descendant of the Universal Zetetic Society but with a less religious emphasis, found a president in William Mills, a relative of one of Lady Blount's followers and held its inaugural meeting in November at Mills' home in London, with Shenton as secretary. One of the attendees, attending out of curiosity, was the Sky at Night astronomer Patrick Moore who recounted his experience in his book Can you speak Venusian?. Shenton claimed that George Bernard Shaw attended one meeting, declaring the presentation was "very persuasive". Despite his contrary ideas, Shenton was elected a fellow of both the Royal Astronomical and Royal Geographical Societies.

As linked from your Wiki in: The Flat Earth, Samuel Shenton

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Now you may wonder why I labour this so much!
The point is that neither Samuel Rowbotham nor Samuel Shenton had any right to construct a cosmology and a layout for the earth when they were provably so ignorant of geography and the most elementary astronomy!

You don't know the first thing about what astronomy even is, or how things are predicted. I see you as the ignorant one.

I note that by stooping to ad hominen you realise that you haven't a leg to stand on.

My claim that, both Samuel Rowbotham and Samuel Shenton "were provably so ignorant of geography and the most elementary astronomy" is clearly quite correct as otherwise they would never have constructed a cosmology and a layout for the earth that was wrong.

I maintain that constructing a cosmology and a layout for the earth when one has virtually no knowledge of at least half the earth is totally irresponsible.

Those articles are just scrapes from Wikipedia, rabinoz. Where does it say that Samuel Shenton discovered that the earth reflected the monopole model or conducted any Flat Earth research that reinstalled the monopole model?

Shenton was merely trying to spread the word that the earth is flat, which is nice of him, but there isn't much research from his society. Unless you can present evidence that Samuel Shenton provided evidence in favor of a monopole model, the idea that the work of the Universal Zetetic Society was invalidated is not justified in the least.

My claim that, both Samuel Rowbotham and Samuel Shenton "were provably so ignorant of geography and the most elementary astronomy" is clearly quite correct as otherwise they would never have constructed a cosmology and a layout for the earth that was wrong.

What have you proven wrong about it?

Those articles are just scrapes from Wikipedia, rabinoz. Where does it say that Samuel Shenton discovered that the earth reflected the monopole model

No where, and if it did, it would be lying, just like if it said anyone discovered that Earth reflected a flat model.

Shenton was merely trying to spread the word that the earth is flat, which is nice of him

Not really.
People spreading nonsense isn't nice at all.

the idea that the work of the Universal Zetetic Society was invalidated is not justified in the least.

You are missing the point.
Your claim was that the monopole model was officially abandoned by the FES and not reinstated. That is clearly not the case.

What have you proven wrong about it?

He has shown that there was no official rejection of the monopolar model by the FES, and that the modern versions of the FES sure seem to portray themselves as accepting the monopole model.

Those articles are just scrapes from Wikipedia, rabinoz.

They are NOT just scraps from Wikipedia, Tom Bishop! They are all from your own society and links contained therein!

Samuel Shenton
Samuel Shenton, a Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and the Royal Geographic Society, founded the Flat Earth Society in 1956, after renaming it from the Universal Zetetic Society. He led the Flat Earth Society from its founding in 1956 until his death in 1971, at which time leadership passed to Charles K. Johnson. Shenton collected material, gave lectures and generated publicity for the Society so that by his death in 1971 the Society had over 100 members.

External links

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Shenton

Source: The Flat Earth Society, Universal Zetetic Society

Universal Zetetic Society
The Universal Zetetic Society (UZS) was the precursor to the Flat Earth Society. It was founded shortly after the death of Samuel Rowbotham (aka Parallax) by Rowbotham's adherents. The UZS was active well into the early part of the 20th century, publishing many issues of a magazine titled The Earth Not a Globe Review. In 1971, the UZS was renamed The Flat Earth Society when Samuel Shenton became its leader.

Source: The Flat Earth Society, Samuel Shenton

Just how many Flat Earth Societies are there?

Flat Earth Society
In New York and England, Samuel Rowbotham created the Zetetic Society. Following his death, Lady Elizabeth Blount founded the Universal Zetetic Society. These societies were based on interpretations of the Bedford Level Experiment. These societies placed more emphasis on Biblical arguments for flat earth theory than the modern FES, but also provided scientific arguments as well.

In 1956 Samuel Shenton founded the International Flat Earth Society. The FES gained publicity in 1964 following the beginning of manned spaceflight and articles about Shenton in The New York Times.

Samuel Shenton died in 1971, and Charles K. Johnson created the International Flat Earth Society of America after inheriting part of Shenton's library and was able to raise membership to 3,000 people. Johnson dispersed newsletters, flyers, and other media to the public upon request.

However by 1980 the FES fell to 200 members. A house fire and the death of Johnson's wife further afflicted the FES in America. Johnson died on March 19, 2001, and the society no longer took in new members.

It has been revived in 2004 as an online community and the society was officially restarted in October 2009.

Source: The Flat Earth Society, Flat Earth Society

Now this all started with  your statement:

Then again, all of this is moot. The Flat Earth Society officially switched over to a Bi-polar model in the early 1900's after the discovery of the South Pole, and never officially switched back.The existence of the Monopole model has been purely a result of people reading some of the older literature before the discovery of the South Pole and not reading the later research.

i asked you to justify that claim and you have not yet done so.

• There was no "Flat Earth Society" in the early 1900s to "officially switched over to a Bi-polar model".
• I can find not evidence that "The Flat Earth Society" at either TFES.org or TheFlatEarthSociety.org have any one "official model" that includes an "official continental layout".

Now, you should be far more knowledgeable that I on this matter, so please just give a link justifying your claim.

I would love to have one "official flat earth model" with one "official continental layout" but there seem to be almost as many models and maps as flat-earthers.
On TFES.org alone there are seven, though only three distinct, Monopole Models and two Bi-polar Models. Nine of these are described as official.

Why won't you answer the original simple question?

From that article you posted (which was scraped from Wikipedia) it says that Samuel Shenton "found a president in William Mills, a relative of one of Lady Blount's followers and held its inaugural meeting in November at Mills' home in London, with Shenton as secretary."

The connection to the old society was by finding a relative of one of Lady Blount's followers.

So this new Shenton model therefore invalidates everything Lady Blount did, reverses all research, all based on Samuel Shenton finding a relative of one of Lady Blount's followers, who gave the thumbs up to do that?

No. That's stupid. It was not a continuation of the same society at all.

So Tom wrote the wiki?

Interesting...


“In the most popular Flat Earth Model, the outer edge of the Earth is bounded by an 'Ice Wall'. This wall prevents the oceans from spilling over the side of the Earth, and may perform the same function for the atmolayer. The exact size of the Ice Wall varies between different Flat Earth Models.

The traditional view is that the Ice Wall rises approximately 150 feet above sea level, preventing the ocean from spilling over the edge of the Earth. In this model, the atmolayer is either contained by another means or universal. This view of the Ice Wall is generally agreed to correspond to the coastline of Antarctica in the Round Earth Model.”

https://theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Ice+Wall

Makes me think ... if the ice wall prevents the ocean from spilling over the edge of the earth, then what is holding up the wall?

I always thought that ice floated on top of water.

From that article you posted (which was scraped from Wikipedia) it says that Samuel Shenton "found a president in William Mills, a relative of one of Lady Blount's followers and held its inaugural meeting in November at Mills' home in London, with Shenton as secretary."

Please get the message! None of those are MY ARTICLES! They are articles either from YOUR society or from the link therein and hence tacitly approved by YOUR SOCIETY!

The connection to the old society was by finding a relative of one of Lady Blount's followers.

OK

So this new Shenton model therefore invalidates everything Lady Blount did, reverses all research, all based on Samuel Shenton finding a relative of one of Lady Blount's followers, who gave the thumbs up to do that?

That's not my problem, but read:

Life
Samuel Shenton was a signwriter, who lived with his wife Lillian in a ginger-brick terrace in suburban Dover. He was son of an army sergeant major, born in Great Yarmouth, and by the 1920s claimed to have invented an airship that would rise into the atmosphere and remain stationary until the earth spun westwards at 1,000 km/h (620 mph) to the desired destination at the same latitude. Shenton could not understand why someone had not previously thought of this idea until he discovered, in the reading room of the British Library at Bloomsbury that Archbishop Stevens, a friend of Lady Blount, the founder of the Universal Zetetic Society, had suggested an aircraft design similar to his own. When he discovered Parallax's Zetetic Astronomy he was an instant convert. "What the authorities were concealing, Shenton decided, was the 'fact' that the earth was flat".

He discovered this theory in Elementary school, and had a reputation in his community as being an elementary school drop out.

Shenton soon constructed a cosmology, based partly on his interpretation of Genesis, that the earth was a flat disk centred on the North Pole with the zetetic notion of the South Pole being an impenetrable wall of ice, that marked the edge of the pit that is the earth in the endless flat plane forming the universe. The sun cast a narrow beam like a flashlight moving over a table as it traced flat circles that varied over the 365-day cycles. The sun was 32 miles (51 km) in diameter 3,000 miles (4,800 km) above the earth and the moon also 32 miles in diameter but only 2,550 miles (4,100 km) above the earth.

Samuel Shenton apparently got his original idea from Rowbotham and not from Lady Blount.
And based on that and "partly on his interpretation of Genesis" developed his cosmology.

No. That's stupid. It was not a continuation of the same society at all.

Maybe it's stupid but read (again):

Flat Earth Society
In New York and England, Samuel Rowbotham created the Zetetic Society. Following his death, Lady Elizabeth Blount founded the Universal Zetetic Society. These societies were based on interpretations of the Bedford Level Experiment. These societies placed more emphasis on Biblical arguments for flat earth theory than the modern FES, but also provided scientific arguments as well.

In 1956 Samuel Shenton founded the International Flat Earth Society. The FES gained publicity in 1964 following the beginning of manned spaceflight and articles about Shenton in The New York Times.

Samuel Shenton died in 1971, and Charles K. Johnson created the International Flat Earth Society of America after inheriting part of Shenton's library and was able to raise membership to 3,000 people. Johnson dispersed newsletters, flyers, and other media to the public upon request.

However, by 1980 the FES fell to 200 members. A house fire and the death of Johnson's wife further afflicted the FES in America. Johnson died on March 19, 2001, and the society no longer took in new members.

It has been revived in 2004 as an online community and the society was officially restarted in October 2009.

Source: The Flat Earth Society, Flat Earth Society

That clearly says "It has been revived in 2004 as an online community and the society was officially restarted in October 2009."
How else can I interpret "It has been revived in 2004[/b] . . . . and the society was officially restarted in October 2009."
Just how many Flat Earth Societies are there? And if the entry was referring to any other "Flat Earth Society" other than itself it would have said so.

Now I repeat!

All started with  your statement:

Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 18, 2018, 11:37:49 PM

Then again, all of this is moot. The Flat Earth Society officially switched over to a Bi-polar model in the early 1900's after the discovery of the South Pole, and never officially switched back.The existence of the Monopole model has been purely a result of people reading some of the older literature before the discovery of the South Pole and not reading the later research.

I asked you to justify that claim and you have not yet done so.

• There was no "Flat Earth Society" in the early 1900s to "officially switched over to a Bi-polar model".
• I can find no evidence that "The Flat Earth Society" at either TFES.org or TheFlatEarthSociety.org have any one "official model" that includes an "official continental layout".

Now, you should be far more knowledgeable than I on this matter, so please just give a link justifying your claim.

I would love to have one "official flat earth model" with one "official continental layout" but there seem to be almost as many models and maps as flat-earthers.
On TFES.org alone there are seven, though only three distinct, Monopole Models and two Bi-polar Models. Nine of these are described as official.

Why won't you answer the original simple question?

But if you want a debate on that Bi-polar model, bring it on! In numerous ways, it is far more wrong than the provenly incorrect Ice-Wall model.

So this new Shenton model therefore invalidates everything Lady Blount did, reverses all research

It's funny how you keep bringing up research, when actual research done indicates Earth is round.
What research did Lady Blount or your prophet Row Boat do to actually disprove Earth being round? NOTHING!
At most you get blatant lies by Row Boat to try and pretend Earth isn't moving based upon complete ignorance of physics or you get ignorance of refraction, with no rational objection to all the evidence showing Earth is round.


Regardless, all you are doing is showing there isn't really any official FES which can officially adopt or reject a model.
The simple fact is the majority of FEers (regardless of whether they are real FEers or not) are presenting the NP centred AEP rather than the equator centred AEP as their alleged model.

If you want to present a bi-polar model to be destroyed, do so. If you are just going to complain that people are attacking the more commonly presented one, then remain quiet.