Hell is not justified

No level of crime deserves eternal punishment. Not even the most evil person deserves going to hell. Because the punishment is eternal which it will never end. There's no way to justify leaving someone to rot in hell for all eternity.

But God does offer a pardon, all you have to do is accept it to be forgiven.  If you refuse to accept God and His pardon, then what else should you expect?

No level of crime deserves eternal punishment. Not even the most evil person deserves going to hell. Because the punishment is eternal which it will never end. There's no way to justify leaving someone to rot in hell for all eternity.

Good answer below

But God does offer a pardon, all you have to do is accept it to be forgiven.  If you refuse to accept God and His pardon, then what else should you expect?

Also in many cases hell is not forever for many, just "for a time"....even hell itself is not forever. Eventually there will be those that are literally deleted from existence along with hell.

But God does offer a pardon, all you have to do is accept it to be forgiven.  If you refuse to accept God and His pardon, then what else should you expect?

Yes but I feel bad for those who never heard of God and will eventually go to hell.

Quote from: markjo on August 03, 2018, 07:38:09 PM

But God does offer a pardon, all you have to do is accept it to be forgiven.  If you refuse to accept God and His pardon, then what else should you expect?

Yes but I feel bad for those who never heard of God and will eventually go to hell.

Those who have not heard the law are not responsible. Just like Yahweh let the children go....He was asked why, they know not the law. Yahweh has compassion, that is why He allowed Yehoshua to present his sacrifice.

No level of crime deserves eternal punishment. Not even the most evil person deserves going to hell. Because the punishment is eternal which it will never end. There's no way to justify leaving someone to rot in hell for all eternity.

You cannot think of any crime against humanity that might warrant eternal damnation?

Quote from: Cinnamon buns on August 03, 2018, 07:09:34 PM

No level of crime deserves eternal punishment. Not even the most evil person deserves going to hell. Because the punishment is eternal which it will never end. There's no way to justify leaving someone to rot in hell for all eternity.

You cannot think of any crime against humanity that might warrant eternal damnation?

No, I can't.  Nothing deserves an infinity of torture.  Aside from anything else, what is the fucking point?

Fascinating.  Let me ask you, what is an appropriate term of punishment for a child rape and murder?

If there is a hell I sure as shit hope Mao Zedong is there and never gets out. Biggest mass murderer in the history of the human race.

Then again, if there is an afterlife, I'm inclined to believe 'hell' is simply oblivion. Paradise is ascention, whatever or where ever that leads

You can add Pol Pot to that list as far as I'm concerned.

There's only one unforgivable sin.

Fascinating.  Let me ask you, what is an appropriate term of punishment for a child rape and murder?

Life imprisonment.

Quote from: Cinnamon buns on August 03, 2018, 07:09:34 PM

No level of crime deserves eternal punishment. Not even the most evil person deserves going to hell. Because the punishment is eternal which it will never end. There's no way to justify leaving someone to rot in hell for all eternity.

You cannot think of any crime against humanity that might warrant eternal damnation?

No.

But God does offer a pardon, all you have to do is accept it to be forgiven.  If you refuse to accept God and His pardon, then what else should you expect?

What? That only applies if you do believe in God. And if you even have time to accept it.

Actually God punishing his creations for anything makes 0 sense unless he's incompetent.

If there is a hell I sure as shit hope Mao Zedong is there and never gets out. Biggest mass murderer in the history of the human race.

Then again, if there is an afterlife, I'm inclined to believe 'hell' is simply oblivion. Paradise is ascention, whatever or where ever that leads

Well from a biblical viewpoint there is very little description of heaven or hell...hell being almost undescribed. The main things that can be taken away is hell is separated from Yahweh while heaven is with him. It was made clear hell is the last place anyone would want to be.

No, I can't.  Nothing deserves an infinity of torture.  Aside from anything else, what is the fucking point?

Biblically no ones first trip to hell is forever, only "for a time"...how long that is I don't know. However​, people and fallen angels are given a few chances in and out of hell. However, eventually, for some, in the end they are simply wiped from existence.

There's only one unforgivable sin.

Arguing about religion on the internet?

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 05, 2018, 07:48:58 AM

There's only one unforgivable sin.

Arguing about religion on the internet?

Consorting with penguins!

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Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 05, 2018, 07:48:58 AM

There's only one unforgivable sin.

Arguing about religion on the internet?

Consorting with penguins!

LOL

Fascinating.  Let me ask you, what is an appropriate term of punishment for a child rape and murder?

In temporal terms, that's up to the society they live in.

If you believe in an afterlife then why not just delete them?   What good does torturing someone to the end of time do?

Especially as your omniscient god knew they would rape and murder before they were even born.

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on August 05, 2018, 05:31:50 AM

Fascinating.  Let me ask you, what is an appropriate term of punishment for a child rape and murder?

Life imprisonment.

Think of Hell as afterlife imprisonment.

The fear of hell only exists in life.

As a parent, you often tell your kids of consequences that are greatly exaggerated if they do the wrong thing in an effort to get them avoiding doing it. I'm sure we all remember that if we watch the TV too close out eyes will go square lol

If God viewed us as children and he wanted us to stay on a righteous path, why would he not use the notion of hell? Eternal fire, torture, pain etc.

My take on Hell is that it is oblivion. Basically you are blinked out of existence. Your death here is a final death.

My take on a soul is that whatever it is, it is not our personality. When we die, we don't take our personality or memories from this life into the next. I believe the soul is energy and our bodies are simply a vessel for it.

As a parent, you often tell your kids of consequences that are greatly exaggerated if they do the wrong thing in an effort to get them avoiding doing it. I'm sure we all remember that if we watch the TV too close out eyes will go square lol

If God viewed us as children and he wanted us to stay on a righteous path, why would he not use the notion of hell? Eternal fire, torture, pain etc.

So God lied?

Quote from: Shifter on August 07, 2018, 02:19:53 PM

As a parent, you often tell your kids of consequences that are greatly exaggerated if they do the wrong thing in an effort to get them avoiding doing it. I'm sure we all remember that if we watch the TV too close out eyes will go square lol

If God viewed us as children and he wanted us to stay on a righteous path, why would he not use the notion of hell? Eternal fire, torture, pain etc.

So God lied?

I'm sure he had the best of intensions 

One of the main reasons I lost my religious beliefs was realizing that Jesus does not protect little children from evil.

I think you are acting like in a hurry to decide on this issue. this is actually very easy for people who think, but it is a difficult subject in terms of those who can't think hard.

we discussed it with a newer philosopher. but of course, at last we can not agree. the discussions already end with the result of in your agreement on whether you usually disagree yourselves.

I want to repeat the last one with a clear sentence:

Discussions usually end with the result of  your agreement on your disagree you each other.

Does God send our all to the hell? Perhaps, this is possible.

Does God send our all to the heaven? Perhaps, this is possible too.

Now let's look at the picture from little further point. God wants to direct us, just as we do to each other. you send your child to shopping. Then you have threaten him to buy everything otherwise beating him. If he came without buying any of them, so do you beat him? Maybe, or maybe not. but you use it as a pressure element to do what you say. but it is at your discretion to punish or not.

In one hand, God says he will send some of us to the hell infinitly. On the other hand, he says all of us will turn him. How can both of these be possible, if both of those who say these words are the same person. because time is an abstract concept. time is only valid for this world life. if we approach the subject in this respect;

In one side God can take some of us to the hell in this world life for infinitive time, and at the same time, take them out of the hell the same people in a more general sense soon after a while.

this may not necessarily be the case, but it is likely. Because;

all people have a soul and this soul comes from God. We have two types of souls. One comes from soul of Adam and formed by its disintegration. the second kind of spirit is Jesus' soul and is taken from God again equally to the soul of Adam. so the souls of billions of people will unite and join the god with the spirit of Adam and Jesus. There is no other way. because these spirits came from god and will return to god again. there are no other options.

Now we feel ourselves as different individuals, but this is an illusion. in fact we are a single soul, parts of which we can not recognize other parts of ourselves.

Like Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi's saying:

"Neither I am me,
Nor you are you,
Nor you are me;

Both I am me,
And you are you,
And you are me".

If you understand this words truly, so you may understand the meaning of life.

One of the main reasons I lost my religious beliefs was realizing that Jesus does not protect little children from evil.

All I remember was that I used to believe in God and then I suddenly stopped for some reason around 3rd grade or so. Don't remember why.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 07, 2018, 03:20:28 PM

One of the main reasons I lost my religious beliefs was realizing that Jesus does not protect little children from evil.

All I remember was that I used to believe in God and then I suddenly stopped for some reason around 3rd grade or so. Don't remember why.

I believed for a long time, but the cracks in my belief appeared when I was about 12yrs old.

I was never exposed to religions as a child.
I can imagine the mental struggle that occurs when one develops reasoning skills.

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Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 07, 2018, 03:20:28 PM

One of the main reasons I lost my religious beliefs was realizing that Jesus does not protect little children from evil.

All I remember was that I used to believe in God and then I suddenly stopped for some reason around 3rd grade or so. Don't remember why.

I believed for a long time, but the cracks in my belief appeared when I was about 12yrs old.

I'm guessing your parents were very religious. Mine weren't really. My father at least isn't. My mom is... Uh... I don't even know... She's... quasi religious I guess? I can't even figure out to what extent she is religious. But my grandmother is pretty religious, and she did take care of me frequently when I was little and we lived in the same house. So yeah, I was taught there is a God and that my grandpa went to heaven when he died. And then I just stopped believing in God but I'm not sure how exactly that happened. All I remember is that I used to believe, and then I didn't.

I was never exposed to religions as a child.
I can imagine the mental struggle that occurs when one develops reasoning skills.

Nah, that usually only happens when the parents are really extreme, and the child actually develops reasoning skills. There isn't much struggle for most people with moderate parents, they just reach a point where they either believe or they don't.

I actually know some guy with relatively progressive and irreligious parents who somehow became REEEEALLY conservative (as in, conservative even for like 1960) and religious. Really weird guy. I have no idea how that happened.

One of the main reasons I lost my religious beliefs was realizing that Jesus does not protect little children from evil.

Jesus isn't supposed to protect little children from evil.  Parents are.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 07, 2018, 03:20:28 PM

One of the main reasons I lost my religious beliefs was realizing that Jesus does not protect little children from evil.

Jesus isn't supposed to protect little children from evil.  Parents are.

No shit Sherlock. That has nothing to do with the conversation.