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What qualifies as consent in a normal sexual encounter (meaning not in a context where the potential victim has been intimidated/coerced/forced into sex etc.)

Pfff consent is not needed... Rape away!
0 (0%)
You generally should stop at "no", but sometimes depending on the context it may mean yes.
2 (18.2%)
No means no, but in some cases it's not rape unless you get an explicit no, or something similar.
6 (54.5%)
An explicit yes is always needed, anything else is rape.
1 (9.1%)
An explicit yes is not enough, it's got to be enthusiastic and constantly reaffirmed, otherwise it's rape.
0 (0%)
It's rape regardless of consent if the victim did not enjoy it.
2 (18.2%)

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Re: Consent
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2018, 06:35:27 AM »
Srs question for the bleeding hearts here. (Duck)

I was woken up in a very pleasant way by a very nice girl on the weekend. I was asleep so I obviously couldn't consent in the strictest sense.

Was I raped?
Srlsy???

If I reported this as a rape would I be taken seriously or laughed out the door?
I don't know what thread you've been reading, but I'm far from a bleeding heart.
For your situation, if you've never had sex with the woman before, yes it could be considered rape and you shouldn't be laughed at for reporting it as such. If you and the woman had made with the sex before, particularly the night before, then it's only rape if you tell her to stop and she doesn't. It's really simple.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/us/usc-rape-case-dropped-video-evidence.html

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If you are drunk, consent to sex, wake up and regret it you can call the cops. Even if you don't get a conviction, the damage to the other persons reputation will be done. The woman wont be charged with making a false claim but the guy may have his personal life, career and prospects destroyed. As the law stands now that is very possible. Most of these kinds of cases are a he said/she said affair and tell me, is anyone going to take the word of the man (accused of rape) over the woman? Whose words carry more weight?

If I am drunk and lose all my money gambling in a Casino, can I come in the next day and get my money back? Could I argue the Casino breached their duty of care and allowed me to gamble inebriated and thus I took risks and consented to things I would not have done ordinarily? I doubt it. They serve the damn drinks probably for this very reason! But with sex, you can get drunk, flirt with people, rip their clothes off and demand they fuck you up and when you wake up can have them charged with rape (or if they are very wealthy can blackmail them for a NDA)
Being accused and being convicted are 2 different things. I agree an accusation can be incredibly damaging and I hope women are taking their power of accusation seriously. But you can recover from an accusation a lot more easily than a conviction. Even without the current atmosphere, a woman can accuse a man of rape after any sexual encounter, that will never change, but the man likely won't be convicted.

Moral of the story, just make sure she wants you to put your dick in her before you do so.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2018, 03:13:30 PM »
You denied it when I called you out on it. Stop being a soyboy beta male.
No I did not. I never did. I may have said I don't understand what that has to do with anything, or said that it's not my main problem, or something. But I'm 100% certain I did not deny that.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2018, 03:19:29 PM »
Moral of the story, just make sure she wants you to put your dick in her before you do so.

No. The moral of the story is to protect yourself by making sure there is written (or better yet) video evidence of her granting you her explicit and enthusiastic consent. Even then, if the sex is bad and she changes her mind after the deed, she is still within her rights to destroy you on social media with a hashtag of #metoo.


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Re: Consent
« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2018, 06:45:40 PM »
Obviously she shouldn't, but yes, she is within her rights to go onto social media and destroy you.  As you are within your rights to attempt to do the same.  I'm sorry society doesn't equally trust men and women when it comes to sexual assault, violence, and/or rape.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #65 on: July 25, 2018, 02:34:37 AM »
You denied it when I called you out on it. Stop being a soyboy beta male.
No I did not. I never did. I may have said I don't understand what that has to do with anything, or said that it's not my main problem, or something. But I'm 100% certain I did not deny that.

Very well. I made a lot of assumptions about you in a post and you dismissed all of them. You probably didn't outright deny it.

It's so much more common than you think you're not the only guy who struggles. I'm assuming your in your early 20s. I think the stats are around in in 5 males your age are in a similar situation. Don't let people call you an incel, you're just a genuinely nice guy. (that's half your problem.)

Still, I'd like you to PM me so we can talk. I could help you out with your wamman problems. I'd like to, too many men don't have other men to talk so and seek advice from so I always offer.

Up to you.
I missed you DNO you're one of my favorite posters. Sorry if I have been rude to you this site tries my patience.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #66 on: July 25, 2018, 02:49:12 AM »
You denied it when I called you out on it. Stop being a soyboy beta male.
No I did not. I never did. I may have said I don't understand what that has to do with anything, or said that it's not my main problem, or something. But I'm 100% certain I did not deny that.

Very well. I made a lot of assumptions about you in a post and you dismissed all of them. You probably didn't outright deny it.
Oh, I remember. I didn't dismiss them all. Some were true, I dismissed the post as a whole.

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It's so much more common than you think you're not the only guy who struggles.
I know that and I don't "struggle". It wasn't my main issue back then and it's not my main issue now. I don't consider myself an "incel".

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Still, I'd like you to PM me so we can talk. I could help you out with your wamman problems. I'd like to, too many men don't have other men to talk so and seek advice from so I always offer.
Well maybe not right now because I'm on vacation. Thanks for the offer though.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2018, 03:04:26 AM »
Sure no problems. The MSM considers you an incel and would like to shame you for it. I think it's an awful thing to do to disaffected men.

I only meant struggle as in struggles with waman, I've said it before you are clearly intelligent
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Re: Consent
« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2018, 03:29:51 AM »
if you've never had sex with the woman before, yes it could be considered rape and you shouldn't be laughed at for reporting it as such. If you and the woman had made with the sex before, particularly the night before

So, for a waman, consent lasts for 12-24 hours, got it.

How long does consent for men last?

Is it also 12-24 hours?
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Re: Consent
« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2018, 06:17:42 AM »
Sure no problems. The MSM considers you an incel and would like to shame you for it.
No one I know calls people incels, but some people are definitely shamed for being virgins, but mostly from their peers. I don't usually see it on MSM.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #70 on: July 25, 2018, 06:19:47 AM »
if you've never had sex with the woman before, yes it could be considered rape and you shouldn't be laughed at for reporting it as such. If you and the woman had made with the sex before, particularly the night before

So, for a waman, consent lasts for 12-24 hours, got it.

How long does consent for men last?

Is it also 12-24 hours?
I honestly don't see how you get that out of what you quoted or anything else I've said in this thread. Please at least try to be genuine with your discussions.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #71 on: July 25, 2018, 07:14:20 AM »
if you've never had sex with the woman before, yes it could be considered rape and you shouldn't be laughed at for reporting it as such. If you and the woman had made with the sex before, particularly the night before

So, for a waman, consent lasts for 12-24 hours, got it.

How long does consent for men last?

Is it also 12-24 hours?
I honestly don't see how you get that out of what you quoted or anything else I've said in this thread. Please at least try to be genuine with your discussions.

He is incapable of being genuine.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2018, 09:06:52 AM »
Sure no problems. The MSM considers you an incel and would like to shame you for it.
No one I know calls people incels, but some people are definitely shamed for being virgins, but mostly from their peers. I don't usually see it on MSM.
I'm sure you realize it's also possible to not measure your masculinity by sexual conquests.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2018, 11:19:06 AM »
Sure no problems. The MSM considers you an incel and would like to shame you for it.
No one I know calls people incels, but some people are definitely shamed for being virgins, but mostly from their peers. I don't usually see it on MSM.
I'm sure you realize it's also possible to not measure your masculinity by sexual conquests.
I'm not sure why you're addressing that to me...
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Re: Consent
« Reply #74 on: July 25, 2018, 11:21:49 AM »
I think he was saying for D1 and not you.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #75 on: July 25, 2018, 11:29:24 AM »
I was directly quoting you but saying it more for D1's sake because of his offer to help you with women and his insinuating that you're a nice guy and that's a problem.

I was also trying to give you support in opposition to his position that sexual experience gives you man power.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #76 on: July 25, 2018, 12:28:04 PM »
From the safe cover of his keyboard and computer monitor, D1 is an alpha male warrior who makes frequently with the sex and beats up soyboys but also has mad respect for women and would never bully people except if they forget to expect his internet friends, who are going to hack the bad guys to teach them a lesson about 9/11 and the grassy knoll.

Re: Consent
« Reply #77 on: July 25, 2018, 12:54:20 PM »
So there are a few different opinions on what should constitute consent, and I wanted to see the opinions different people have on the subject. Please explain your reasons for having that opinion. I hope I have included all the main options that people usually pick and I'm not leaving anything out.
I didn't read any of the quoted stuff above nor the pages befote this.

Anyway, your poll is utter bullshit.
It's very simple. An explicit spoken 'yes' is obviously not always necessary. It's about body language and what she says/ does. How can people make something that simple so hard?
She goes with the flow - thats a yes.
She doesn't and/or 'pushes you back' and/or says no - well, that fucking obviously is a no.
If, for some reason, your not sure, just ask. Very simple.

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Re: Consent
« Reply #78 on: July 25, 2018, 01:29:53 PM »
So there are a few different opinions on what should constitute consent, and I wanted to see the opinions different people have on the subject. Please explain your reasons for having that opinion. I hope I have included all the main options that people usually pick and I'm not leaving anything out.
I didn't read any of the quoted stuff above nor the pages befote this.

Anyway, your poll is utter bullshit.
It's very simple. An explicit spoken 'yes' is obviously not always necessary. It's about body language and what she says/ does. How can people make something that simple so hard?
She goes with the flow - thats a yes.
She doesn't and/or 'pushes you back' and/or says no - well, that fucking obviously is a no.
If, for some reason, your not sure, just ask. Very simple.
Well, if you read the rest you'll see some people don't think it's that simple.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #79 on: July 25, 2018, 02:17:46 PM »
So there are a few different opinions on what should constitute consent, and I wanted to see the opinions different people have on the subject. Please explain your reasons for having that opinion. I hope I have included all the main options that people usually pick and I'm not leaving anything out.
I didn't read any of the quoted stuff above nor the pages befote this.

Anyway, your poll is utter bullshit.
It's very simple. An explicit spoken 'yes' is obviously not always necessary. It's about body language and what she says/ does. How can people make something that simple so hard?
She goes with the flow - thats a yes.
She doesn't and/or 'pushes you back' and/or says no - well, that fucking obviously is a no.
If, for some reason, your not sure, just ask. Very simple.
Well, if you read the rest you'll see some people don't think it's that simple.

Then some people are retarted. Sorry, but all this explicit, enthusiastic, to the point of almost getting written and visually recorded consent really takes away and kills the romance. "Oh? You had a drink of champaigne? Sorry, We'll have to hook up again when the alcohol is out of your system. Legally, you aren't in a position to consent to sexual relations or touching of any kind"

If one thing 'leads to another" and both parties do not offer any resistance, than what is wrong with what happens?

What should be taught is not so much a requirement to say 'yes', but saying 'NO'. If you don't want it, than speak up. Don't flirt and fondle a guys balls and then bitch about being 'raped' because you ended up having sex but you didn't do anything to stop him going further either.


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Re: Consent
« Reply #80 on: July 25, 2018, 05:41:06 PM »
Well the alcohol thing is mostly so that people aren't going to get other people drunk to make them consent. I can understand it up to a point.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #81 on: July 25, 2018, 05:55:23 PM »
Well the alcohol thing is mostly so that people aren't going to get other people drunk to make them consent. I can understand it up to a point.

Woman chooses to go out, have a good time, have a few drinks

Society tells her she can no longer consent for sex she may want because of said drinks

Why is society dictating to a woman whether or not she wants or should have sex or not?


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Re: Consent
« Reply #82 on: July 25, 2018, 08:56:37 PM »
Well the alcohol thing is mostly so that people aren't going to get other people drunk to make them consent. I can understand it up to a point.

Woman chooses to go out, have a good time, have a few drinks

Society tells her she can no longer consent for sex she may want because of said drinks

Why is society dictating to a woman whether or not she wants or should have sex or not?
Because of asshole guys who put their dicks inside of women who have drank so much they pass out.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #83 on: July 25, 2018, 09:08:56 PM »
Well the alcohol thing is mostly so that people aren't going to get other people drunk to make them consent. I can understand it up to a point.

Woman chooses to go out, have a good time, have a few drinks

Society tells her she can no longer consent for sex she may want because of said drinks

Why is society dictating to a woman whether or not she wants or should have sex or not?
Because of asshole guys who put their dicks inside of women who have drank so much they pass out.

Thats not the same as a woman who only got a little tipsy by choice and wants to engage in sexual relations with some random. She should be free if thats what she wants. However at the same time, one is resposible for their choices. You cant complain the next day that what you chose to get up to is someone elses fault. If I got drunk and lost money to a casino, I cant get my money back. It was a poor choice on my part and I have to accept the consequences

We are essentially trying to have a system where you cant touch a women if they don't consent (which is fair enough of course). But if they have had any alcohol to drink, they cant legally consent. But at the same time, if they do end up having sex, it's ALL the males fault and its now a matter of rape if the woman wakes up with regret. We are not allowed to chastise the woman for her poor choices (victim blaming) and we free her from the burden of responsibility of those choices.

Despite the fact that she could have been fully conscious and initiated the flirting, leading and engagement for sex (Shock horror!  :o A woman that's into having sex!), the male could have his career destroyed because she wakes up and 'changes her mind' in retrospect (must be that male privilege we are so used to hearing about).



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Re: Consent
« Reply #84 on: July 25, 2018, 11:18:10 PM »
If the man is more drunk than the women, did the man get raped?

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Re: Consent
« Reply #85 on: July 26, 2018, 12:45:22 AM »
I think it should depend on how drunk you are really. But it's kinda hard to gauge I guess.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #86 on: July 26, 2018, 06:24:34 AM »
Well the alcohol thing is mostly so that people aren't going to get other people drunk to make them consent. I can understand it up to a point.

Woman chooses to go out, have a good time, have a few drinks

Society tells her she can no longer consent for sex she may want because of said drinks

Why is society dictating to a woman whether or not she wants or should have sex or not?
Because of asshole guys who put their dicks inside of women who have drank so much they pass out.

Thats not the same as a woman who only got a little tipsy by choice and wants to engage in sexual relations with some random. She should be free if thats what she wants. However at the same time, one is resposible for their choices. You cant complain the next day that what you chose to get up to is someone elses fault. If I got drunk and lost money to a casino, I cant get my money back. It was a poor choice on my part and I have to accept the consequences

We are essentially trying to have a system where you cant touch a women if they don't consent (which is fair enough of course). But if they have had any alcohol to drink, they cant legally consent. But at the same time, if they do end up having sex, it's ALL the males fault and its now a matter of rape if the woman wakes up with regret. We are not allowed to chastise the woman for her poor choices (victim blaming) and we free her from the burden of responsibility of those choices.

Despite the fact that she could have been fully conscious and initiated the flirting, leading and engagement for sex (Shock horror!  :o A woman that's into having sex!), the male could have his career destroyed because she wakes up and 'changes her mind' in retrospect (must be that male privilege we are so used to hearing about).
A woman who goes out with the intention of getting some strange is the same woman who will not report a rape the next day. The idea behind not being able to consent due to alcohol is meant to protect women from predatory men, not limit their ability to prowl for some dick. It's not like police are going to barge in to his or her place and arrest the man mid thrust because she has some alcohol in her system.

And I can't stress this enough, women have been able to make rape accusations the following day for a long time, it's just been largely ignored along with other claims of rape. No law is going to prevent a woman's ability to make claims of rape the following day. I also doubt the after-the-fact withdrawal of consent is a majority problem.

I again come back to, if it's a new partner, make sure you get positive consent. If she is obviously drunk, maybe considering skipping this chance to make with the sex. If she is passed out, be a gentleman and make sure she gets home safe without putting your dick in her.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #87 on: July 26, 2018, 07:32:07 AM »

I dream of a world where two people who get a bit pissed and end up making a mistake, admit that, and move on rather than one becoming a victim and the other a criminal, itís only sex.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #89 on: July 28, 2018, 04:55:18 AM »
if you've never had sex with the woman before, yes it could be considered rape and you shouldn't be laughed at for reporting it as such. If you and the woman had made with the sex before, particularly the night before

So, for a waman, consent lasts for 12-24 hours, got it.

How long does consent for men last?

Is it also 12-24 hours?
I honestly don't see how you get that out of what you quoted or anything else I've said in this thread. Please at least try to be genuine with your discussions.

Because you said that sex the night before implied consent the next morning for the waman.
I was wondering if this was the same for the man.

Feel free not to answer.
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