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What qualifies as consent in a normal sexual encounter (meaning not in a context where the potential victim has been intimidated/coerced/forced into sex etc.)

Pfff consent is not needed... Rape away!
0 (0%)
You generally should stop at "no", but sometimes depending on the context it may mean yes.
2 (18.2%)
No means no, but in some cases it's not rape unless you get an explicit no, or something similar.
6 (54.5%)
An explicit yes is always needed, anything else is rape.
1 (9.1%)
An explicit yes is not enough, it's got to be enthusiastic and constantly reaffirmed, otherwise it's rape.
0 (0%)
It's rape regardless of consent if the victim did not enjoy it.
2 (18.2%)

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Re: Consent
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2018, 01:19:00 PM »
Teen Vogue - hey teenage grils, here's how to have anal sex.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2018, 01:29:33 PM »
You out there banging lots of chicks? lol
Nope, not what I meant. I meant from conversations I have with people. I'm still a sad virgin  :(
Eh, I don't really care that much. But it's true both for girls and for boys that they're pressured to have sex.

Anyways, it's not just SJWs. People just care a lot more about these things.

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Lol what?

Anyways, these things are actually not mutually exclusive. People are both a lot more weary of consent AND more pressured to have sex.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2018, 01:34:00 PM »
Guys have always been pressured to have sex or be viewed as less manly. It's a new trend for girls to be pressured to have sex or be viewed as anti-female empowerment, new as in within the last 20 years.

It simply should come down to have sex of you want, don't have sex if you don't want it, just make sure that both parties want to have sex and are comfortable with all activities of said sex.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2018, 01:57:11 PM »
The weird thing about the pressure on girls is that if they do want to have sex because they like it they're still seen as whores, but if they don't want to have sex for any reason then they are prudes and bitches.

The worst thing about the pressure on girls is that porn has influenced all of it. Now it's not just pressure to have sex, it's pressure to have bad harmful sex.

I don't know how all this has changed the pressure on boys.
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« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2018, 02:12:02 PM »
The pressure on boys is pretty much the same, have as much sex as possible or else you're a beta cuck. If you're over 18 and still a virgin, you're looked at as either a religious freak or a closet homosexual.

At least that was my experience just over 10 years ago when I was in my late teens/early 20s.
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« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2018, 02:22:51 PM »
The pressure on boys is pretty much the same, have as much sex as possible or else you're a beta cuck. If you're over 18 and still a virgin, you're looked at as either a religious freak or a closet homosexual.

At least that was my experience just over 10 years ago when I was in my late teens/early 20s.

I doubt it's changed all that much.  There just might be some kind of SJW veneer over it.  In most ways I'd say women have it worse.  Except for the prude vs male virgin thing.

You out there banging lots of chicks? lol
Nope, not what I meant. I meant from conversations I have with people. I'm still a sad virgin  :(
Eh, I don't really care that much. But it's true both for girls and for boys that they're pressured to have sex.

Anyways, it's not just SJWs. People just care a lot more about these things.

Cosmo - put a donut on his dong!
Lol what?

Anyways, these things are actually not mutually exclusive. People are both a lot more weary of consent AND more pressured to have sex.

Don't let it get you down.  I used to be a virgin until I had sex.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2018, 02:29:21 PM »
Don't let it get you down.  I used to be a virgin until I had sex.
Poor Mary was still a virgin even after she had sex...
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Re: Consent
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2018, 03:17:30 PM »


Unfortunately this poster reaffirms that men dont get raped either. What if Jake felt he was taken advantage of and woke up regretting having sex? Not sure how equality works here. This poster really does seem to reaffirm teh stereotype that men are alpha and woman are subservient damsels that need saving.

When both parties are intoxicated it really messes everything up. I mean what level? That you both could barely walk, talk coherently or even open your eyes properly? Or just a little tipsy and 'happy drunk'?

Obviously drugging/spiking is instant rape, even if the victim verbally consented (as some drugs make you far more trusting), but if you both got a little drunk and got overly amorous but one person has the 'morning after regret', Too bad, so sad, not rape

I'm afraid the whole argument of 'consent' has extended to whether or not the woman (never the man) still gives her consent in hindsight the next morning. It's like if she wakes up and changes her mind - you raped her. Or if a woman is simply too scared to say no, apparently the man is still a rapist because men are scary.

We have all heard that 'metoo' story where a woman blasted a celebrity on social media trashing his reputation after an oral encounter despite the fact at the time she was (seemingly) into it.

I think the issue of consent is getting out of hand. Why is a verbal 'yes' even needed in some situations? If you both take each others clothes off and offer no resistance (and indeed help) with penetration, than what the hell is wrong with that?

It's going to get to the point where people need a written contract, signed by a witness to even touch another person (ok, maybe it wont get that far but if it did, I wont be surprised).



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Re: Consent
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2018, 03:34:12 PM »
Is it still rape if she's on top?

This is one of the best questions I have seen markjo ask. 

being drunk really doesn't alter my attraction to someone.

Then you have never been drunk before... probably just buzzed.


Oh yeah, that's a thing I've heard many times, and I'm genuinely curious as to why. I know why some inexperienced guys do it (especially little boys, they are told to do something sexual and they just do it because they feel they're supposed to because there's this whole "you're dumb if you refuse sex because you lose something" mentality that some teenagers have), and I guess that applies to a certain extent to teenage girls too. But I would expect that especially for women, this wouldn't be as much of a problem lately.

Then you have little to no experience with women (and some men are like this too)... depending on their upbringing, their past etc...some women are incapable to saying no... however, these same women unfortunately are the least likely to report a rape or abuse.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2018, 03:37:40 PM »
That is really true, BHS. (the last part)
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Re: Consent
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2018, 05:01:55 PM »
being drunk really doesn't alter my attraction to someone.

Then you have never been drunk before... probably just buzzed.
Hmm, usually alcohol won't make you want to do something you wouldn't think about before. It usually will just make your inhibitions drop very low and impair your judgment and logical thinking. Some people like to pretend alcohol just planted an idea into their mind to justify asshole behavior when it doesn't really usually work that way. Which is not to say that you can't consent to something you definitely wouldn't consent while sober. Just that if you find someone attractive sober, you'll still find them attractive drunk and vise versa. Which isn't really a justification of course, because being attracted to someone doesn't mean you want to have sex with them, and in some cases wanting to have sex with someone may not even mean you're really attracted to them (seen it happen).
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Re: Consent
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2018, 05:32:14 PM »


Unfortunately this poster reaffirms that men dont get raped either. What if Jake felt he was taken advantage of and woke up regretting having sex?
Regretting sex is not the same as being raped.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2018, 05:40:14 PM »
Is that a real poster?
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Re: Consent
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2018, 05:41:39 PM »


Unfortunately this poster reaffirms that men dont get raped either. What if Jake felt he was taken advantage of and woke up regretting having sex?
Regretting sex is not the same as being raped.

A female that regrets sex can say she was raped though...

Thanks to the #metoo movement, the term rape has been broadened so that the morning after regret or simply a case of bad sex has the same word applied to someone who was violently raped and lucky to be alive



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« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2018, 05:43:49 PM »
Is that a real poster?

I would not be surprised if it was made up, but the message it conveys is unfortunately accurate. I'm sure there are a few liberals who would completely agree with it though


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Re: Consent
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2018, 05:46:57 PM »
Some liberals would agree Jake was charged with rape?
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« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2018, 06:08:50 PM »
Some liberals would agree Jake was charged with rape?

They would agree that he should be charged with rape. (having sex with a woman who apparently cant consent because she was drunk). I'm sure most people would believe the people in the poster are fictitious.

Put it this way. If you and I hit the town together, got drunk and you wake up to see we were both naked in your bed - and being your more rational sober self, could insist I took advantage of you. Even if you couldn't remember, you could fabricate a story that could have police involved and have my career ruined. My being sober or even if I were more drunk than you is irrelevant to the fact that a woman had sex that she later retracted consent


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Re: Consent
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2018, 06:12:29 PM »
Yeah, I could do all sorts of things, like stab you while you sleep.
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« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2018, 06:16:02 PM »
Yeah, I could do all sorts of things, like stab you while you sleep.

That is completely acceptable  :o


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« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2018, 06:21:33 PM »
Some liberals would agree Jake was charged with rape?

They would agree that he should be charged with rape. (having sex with a woman who apparently cant consent because she was drunk). I'm sure most people would believe the people in the poster are fictitious.

Put it this way. If you and I hit the town together, got drunk and you wake up to see we were both naked in your bed - and being your more rational sober self, could insist I took advantage of you. Even if you couldn't remember, you could fabricate a story that could have police involved and have my career ruined. My being sober or even if I were more drunk than you is irrelevant to the fact that a woman had sex that she later retracted consent

This is 100 percent correct unfortunately..it is very sad.

That is why most people who are either rich and or famous will pay off the hussy and make them sign an NDA. Because, unfortunately, these wack job fucked off little losers who started the me too movement and other nonsense have started the witch trials all over again. Completely removed do process....

Just imagine, some little hussy says elon musk raped her....he would immediately be booted from all of his businesses, a public pariah, public enemy number one before the shit even goes to pre trial. The woman could have not even have met Musk, could be thrown out of court for nonsense.... doesn't matter. He will always be Musk the rapist and his life destroyed.
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Re: Consent
« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2018, 06:29:34 PM »
How can he get booted from all his businesses? He didn't even get booted when he called the Thai cave rescuer dude a pedo.

Also, are you saying you think Harvey Weinstein was innocent?
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« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2018, 06:39:06 PM »
Is that a real poster?

I would not be surprised if it was made up, but the message it conveys is unfortunately accurate. I'm sure there are a few liberals who would completely agree with it though
Isn't this the definition of a straw man argument? You built this liberal argument from a most likely fake poster, then ranted about the liberals having this position. I haven't heard of a case of rape being reported where both parties were drunk, have you?
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« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2018, 06:54:47 PM »
Or so the news would have me believe.

Lol, quite easily too they just tell you and you believe it word for word.

Were you one of the 5k viewers of Anderson (CIA spook) cooper.

No wonder you guys are losing the information war. Your main propaganda mouthpiece who started his career in the CIA only gets 5k viewers on a live stream.
Why do you hate honest youtubers pulling millions of views per video again?

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« Reply #54 on: July 23, 2018, 06:59:02 PM »
You out there banging lots of chicks? lol
Nope, not what I meant. I meant from conversations I have with people. I'm still a sad virgin  :(

You denied it when I called you out on it. Stop being a soyboy beta male.

PM me and we'll talk. I was raised by a single mother too.
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« Reply #55 on: July 23, 2018, 07:00:11 PM »
Is that a real poster?

I would not be surprised if it was made up, but the message it conveys is unfortunately accurate. I'm sure there are a few liberals who would completely agree with it though
Isn't this the definition of a straw man argument? You built this liberal argument from a most likely fake poster, then ranted about the liberals having this position. I haven't heard of a case of rape being reported where both parties were drunk, have you?

An aspiring cadet who will probably have his career forever tainted by some womans 'morning after regret' even though he was cleared of all charges and wrong doing. Of course some liberal snowflakes will still be outraged and say justice was not served

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-05/adfa-cadet-found-not-guilty-of-rape/8680872



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« Reply #56 on: July 23, 2018, 08:23:22 PM »
Is that a real poster?

I would not be surprised if it was made up, but the message it conveys is unfortunately accurate. I'm sure there are a few liberals who would completely agree with it though
Isn't this the definition of a straw man argument? You built this liberal argument from a most likely fake poster, then ranted about the liberals having this position. I haven't heard of a case of rape being reported where both parties were drunk, have you?

An aspiring cadet who will probably have his career forever tainted by some womans 'morning after regret' even though he was cleared of all charges and wrong doing. Of course some liberal snowflakes will still be outraged and say justice was not served

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-05/adfa-cadet-found-not-guilty-of-rape/8680872
I retract my accusation of it being a strawman as the poster apparently was real, though very limited and from a decade ago. However, your link does not describe a case of both parties drunk and the male being accused of rape.
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« Reply #57 on: July 23, 2018, 08:47:07 PM »
Oh Duck there are hundreds of examples of a male being done for rape when both parties are equally inebriated. Come on now.

It isn't equality. It puts far more responsibility on the male in the encounter.

It's feminism.
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« Reply #58 on: July 23, 2018, 08:52:23 PM »
Srs question for the bleeding hearts here. (Duck)

I was woken up in a very pleasant way by a very nice girl on the weekend. I was asleep so I obviously couldn't consent in the strictest sense.

Was I raped?
Srlsy???

If I reported this as a rape would I be taken seriously or laughed out the door?
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« Reply #59 on: July 23, 2018, 09:08:26 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/us/usc-rape-case-dropped-video-evidence.html

Here is some

If you are drunk, consent to sex, wake up and regret it you can call the cops. Even if you don't get a conviction, the damage to the other persons reputation will be done. The woman wont be charged with making a false claim but the guy may have his personal life, career and prospects destroyed. As the law stands now that is very possible. Most of these kinds of cases are a he said/she said affair and tell me, is anyone going to take the word of the man (accused of rape) over the woman? Whose words carry more weight?

If I am drunk and lose all my money gambling in a Casino, can I come in the next day and get my money back? Could I argue the Casino breached their duty of care and allowed me to gamble inebriated and thus I took risks and consented to things I would not have done ordinarily? I doubt it. They serve the damn drinks probably for this very reason! But with sex, you can get drunk, flirt with people, rip their clothes off and demand they fuck you up and when you wake up can have them charged with rape (or if they are very wealthy can blackmail them for a NDA)


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