Were-penguin, player's thread

. . . and 1 indication that we should refrain from killing that was made prior to the roll call (Bullwinkle).

Oh, I'm all for killin', there's just no rush.

Jane has hinted at using her vote to stop that but she hasn't done so officially yet.

I will be, just closer to the time depending on whether people vote to wait out the first day, or lynch.

Anyway, just to get it to the bottom:

OK so there has been little feedback on the lynch/not-lynch mini poll. WTF you guys, this is a big deal and deserves more attention than it's gotten. GET YOUR GAME FACE ON.

So far, Pez has voted for murder, and his vote (although he wanted to retract it) has been cast already for Wesker. We have 2 votes to abstain from lynching (Jane and me) and 1 indication that we should refrain from killing that was made prior to the roll call (Bullwinkle). These votes are unofficial as of right now, because no one other than Pezevenk has invoked the sacred ritual incantation. Does anyone else have any opinion at all?

Or:
Do we want to lynch on day one, when we know very little? Especially given Shifter, DuckDodgers and Ichimaru don't seem to have posted here yet. There's a 5/6 chance we lose a villager, and with the penguin in the night we lose 1/5 of our number. Someone dies tonight no matter what, do we want it to be two, or do we want an extra survivor when we're more informed about who the wolves dislike?
Or do we want an all-out attack based on what's been said so far, though several users haven't posted?

(My vote's to wait. Peace is our best choice against the penguins; they need division, and as soon as someone starts supporting that, mindlessly killing likely innocent villagers, we've got them. Boydster convinced me. So he may be a penguin, in which case disregard everything I just said).

Inaction is in our favor I feel, at least for today. We have 0 to go on regarding who is a penguin and who is not, save for Pez being gung-ho to kill someone. That is a suspicious thing to do when we were discussing peace for the first day. I'm also sceptical of Lord Narrator Cruton setting it up so BHS and Jane are penguins together and must work together.

Inaction is in our favor I feel, at least for today. We have 0 to go on regarding who is a penguin and who is not, save for Pez being gung-ho to kill someone.

Yeah it's kind of an issue with this game that I haven't figured out yet, low information starts.  Maybe in person you could read expressions or body language.  But online the innocents are just going to be running around like chickens with their heads cut off, at least in the beginning.  Maybe there's some custom roles that might make online play less, um, dependent on people making severe tactical errors.

I'm also sceptical of Lord Narrator Cruton setting it up so BHS and Jane are penguins together and must work together.

Hey you weren't supposed to- ahhh, I see what you did there. 

I'm also sceptical of Lord Narrator Cruton setting it up so BHS and Jane are penguins together and must work together.

On a more serious note, that’s a good thing to bear in mind. The meta. For later, if we find one of the wolves, is the other going to be connected to them or intentionally distinct?

(For the record, I still stand by what I said. If I die tonight, BHS is penguin)
(Or the real penguin read this and wanted to cast blame away and it isn’t BHS and this game is messing with my mind and it’s not even night one).

Quote from: DuckDodgers on July 14, 2018, 06:52:51 PM

Inaction is in our favor I feel, at least for today. We have 0 to go on regarding who is a penguin and who is not, save for Pez being gung-ho to kill someone.

Yeah it's kind of an issue with this game that I haven't figured out yet, low information starts.  Maybe in person you could read expressions or body language.  But online the innocents are just going to be running around like chickens with their heads cut off, at least in the beginning.  Maybe there's some custom roles that might make online play less, um, dependent on people making severe tactical errors.

Quote from: DuckDodgers on July 14, 2018, 06:52:51 PM

I'm also sceptical of Lord Narrator Cruton setting it up so BHS and Jane are penguins together and must work together.

Hey you weren't supposed to- ahhh, I see what you did there.

I've ran a few of these games with friends through a Facebook group, I've never managed to get past the first day no info issue. Maybe the o ly way to do it would be let the seerer, in this case the FE scientist the opportunity to view someone before/during the first day and first night.

For Scarlet, a dirge. Let us light our candles in her honor.

[To the tune of "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star," probably?]
The embrace of a dying day
Stings my heart like a sharpened blade
What's this life but a serenade
A deceitful kiss from a vile mermaid
All this time we were broken
Words passed by, yet unspoken

Life is a tragic masquerade
A bitter serenade, a feeble parade
Life is the funeral of dreams
There is no way to redeem
All we lost in this scene
Life is just a funeral march
Grievance and despair at large

Falling stars and a rising moon
A scarlet tear and a silver spoon
Fading aeons and a dying love
The darkness beneath and the light above
All this time we were broken
There's no sight, there's no token

Here comes the funeral march
Mourners of this life at large
Downcast souls withdrawn
From the world beyond the dawn
Here comes the funeral parade
Grievers of life's masquerade
Wanderers in the utter dark
And their road goes ever on and on

Roundy2.0 - Tell me something only the real Roundy would know. Ur on notice.

Remember that birthday card I gave you (online) that said (iirc)"Happy birthday cowgirl" on it? Also, you're one of the only people on these forums that's been privy to my real name, thanks to a mistake that I made when signing up for Twitter for the first time. CONVINCED?

ALSO HI IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN TOO.

Couple minor things.

1.  I'm probably going to move the end of the  turns to noon mountain time.  It just occurred to me that 8am is about worst possible time during the weekdays.

2.  The only players that have to pm me are the werepenguins and the true flat earth scientists.  Also it's not necessary to include me in a group pm.  I guess it's not forbidden but it's not necessary.

Couple minor things.

1.  I'm probably going to move the end of the  turns to noon mountain time.  It just occurred to me that 8am is about worst possible time during the weekdays.

2.  The only players that have to pm me are the werepenguins and the true flat earth scientists.  Also it's not necessary to include me in a group pm.  I guess it's not forbidden but it's not necessary.

How many hours before or after the time of the OP is that, for those of us not in that time zone? (Especially because according to google there's MDT and MST).

Quote from: DuckDodgers on July 14, 2018, 06:52:51 PM

Inaction is in our favor I feel, at least for today. We have 0 to go on regarding who is a penguin and who is not, save for Pez being gung-ho to kill someone.

Yeah it's kind of an issue with this game that I haven't figured out yet, low information starts.  Maybe in person you could read expressions or body language.  But online the innocents are just going to be running around like chickens with their heads cut off, at least in the beginning.  Maybe there's some custom roles that might make online play less, um, dependent on people making severe tactical errors.

Best I can think would be some equivalent of the 'doctor' role, whose job it is to PM the narrator with someone they want to protect, and if that's someone the wolves/penguins want to go after, that person survives. No one knows who the doctor is, but at least it gives another topic of conversation for speculating who the most likely victim is to help the unknown doctor.
But, eh, not the worst problem either way. Most games start slow.

Well, I have been keeping quiet about the whole "we should not kill each other because we may lynch an innocent" thing because I wanted to see where this was going.  But, now that we only have a couple of hours left, we are running out of time.  The only ones who benefit from us not eliminating people, and therefore increasing our chances of finding a werepenguin are the werepenguins.  We cannot possibly win by not lynching people.  Therefore, I vote that we lynch the biggest proponent of not lynching people: boydster.

I cast my vote to lynch boydster. 

If you agree with boydster that we should not lynch each other randomly in order to narrow down who is actually the were-penguins, then I ask that you vote to lynch me at least, because this is going to be a dumb game if nobody gets lynched.  We can not gather evidence and we have no other means of finding out who the guilty ones are without lynching people, so I would rather sit it out than to not vote for lynching people and actually play the game. 

Well, I have been keeping quiet about the whole "we should not kill each other because we may lynch an innocent" thing because I wanted to see where this was going.  But, now that we only have a couple of hours left, we are running out of time.  The only ones who benefit from us not eliminating people, and therefore increasing our chances of finding a werepenguin are the werepenguins.  We cannot possibly win by not lynching people.  Therefore, I vote that we lynch the biggest proponent of not lynching people: boydster.

I cast my vote to lynch boydster. 

If you agree with boydster that we should not lynch each other randomly in order to narrow down who is actually the were-penguins, then I ask that you vote to lynch me at least, because this is going to be a dumb game if nobody gets lynched.  We can not gather evidence and we have no other means of finding out who the guilty ones are without lynching people, so I would rather sit it out than to not vote for lynching people and actually play the game.

I suppose it would be churlish to point out that you cast a vote based on evidence, followed by saying that we cannot gather evidence.

Though interestingly you have just made it a tie so that no one's getting lynched. If we are to take you at your word that only the werepenguins are trying to prevent lynchings, that would mean you're a penguin, as is Wesker, and you're acting to protect him.

I will say that no one's saying to sit out indefinitely, just the first night given that all we have is guesswork. It means less of us die. Even just by randomness we have a better chance tomorrow of finding the penguin, but if on top of that we know who they killed...

But in the spirit of the game, current suspects:

Pezevenk, for trying to cut down our numbers, then quickly backing down when people started talking caution.
Boydster, as jroa said, for starting and inspiring lynch-free talks.
Jroa and Wesker together, for the reasons said above.
Shifter and BHS, for not posting and thus keeping out of the limelight and not incriminating themselves. (I don't think Ichimaru's been online so can't say for sure with him).

Pezevenk, for trying to cut down our numbers, then quickly backing down when people started talking caution.
Boydster, as jroa said, for starting and inspiring lynch-free talks.
Jroa and Wesker together, for the reasons said above.
Shifter and BHS, for not posting and thus keeping out of the limelight and not incriminating themselves. (I don't think Ichimaru's been online so can't say for sure with him).

All of those, with one notable exception, are ideas I can get behind.

The jroa/Wesker working together angle, I had not yet considered. But Wesker showed up laughing maniacally. Manacingly, even. And now jroa has taken the necessary step to guarantee their safety as long as no one else turns on them, while pointing others to go elsewhere. Although, I guess jroa did put his neck on the line, saying to pick either me or him.

I'm convinced Pez is a were-penguin. I'm finding it difficult not to vote to take him out, just in case. And I've accused him so many times now that he's definitely gonna kill me if he's the were-penguin. And I don't want to die.

I cast my vote to lynch Pezevenk (sorry man, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!)

BabyHighSpeed - If I die he's a penguin.

This is actually quite funny, I didn't know you had a sense of humor Jane. Guess you learn something new everyday.

I wish I could narrow the list down to such a short target, however, I would suspect 98 percent of the people on the list if I were eaten or lynched.

However, could overzealous excitement and personal qualms provide an unexpected blow to the survivers??? Hmm, who knows?

Quote from: jroa on July 15, 2018, 04:27:28 AM

Well, I have been keeping quiet about the whole "we should not kill each other because we may lynch an innocent" thing because I wanted to see where this was going.  But, now that we only have a couple of hours left, we are running out of time.  The only ones who benefit from us not eliminating people, and therefore increasing our chances of finding a werepenguin are the werepenguins.  We cannot possibly win by not lynching people.  Therefore, I vote that we lynch the biggest proponent of not lynching people: boydster.

I cast my vote to lynch boydster. 

If you agree with boydster that we should not lynch each other randomly in order to narrow down who is actually the were-penguins, then I ask that you vote to lynch me at least, because this is going to be a dumb game if nobody gets lynched.  We can not gather evidence and we have no other means of finding out who the guilty ones are without lynching people, so I would rather sit it out than to not vote for lynching people and actually play the game.

I suppose it would be churlish to point out that you cast a vote based on evidence, followed by saying that we cannot gather evidence.

Though interestingly you have just made it a tie so that no one's getting lynched. If we are to take you at your word that only the werepenguins are trying to prevent lynchings, that would mean you're a penguin, as is Wesker, and you're acting to protect him.

I will say that no one's saying to sit out indefinitely, just the first night given that all we have is guesswork. It means less of us die. Even just by randomness we have a better chance tomorrow of finding the penguin, but if on top of that we know who they killed...

But in the spirit of the game, current suspects:

Pezevenk, for trying to cut down our numbers, then quickly backing down when people started talking caution.
Boydster, as jroa said, for starting and inspiring lynch-free talks.
Jroa and Wesker together, for the reasons said above.
Shifter and BHS, for not posting and thus keeping out of the limelight and not incriminating themselves. (I don't think Ichimaru's been online so can't say for sure with him).

First of all, you had already said that you would use your vote to cancel Pez's, so neither I nor Wesker had anything to gain by vote.

Secondly, you need to add yourself to that list.  You were the one who tried to convince us that it was statistically better not to vote to lynch someone, even though you knew perfectly well that eliminating one of our own, even if he is innocent, only increases our odds of picking a werepenguin in the next vote.

And, finally, look who changed their toon all of the sudden when they got called out for attempting to damage the democratic proccess of elimination: boydster.  If I die tonight, please vote to lynch him.  Probably DuckDogers as well.  He was quick to jump onto the "lets not point fingers and just wait to see who dies" bandwagon. 

Can I vote to kill Heiwa?

Although, I guess jroa did put his neck on the line, saying to pick either me or him.

He'd still be safe with only one vote, and if two people voted Wesker's still free to cancel or vote for you.

First of all, you had already said that you would use your vote to cancel Pez's, so neither I nor Wesker had anything to gain by vote.

Unless you got jumpy. It's one of you whose life would be on the line, entrusting that to a stranger might be a bit too much.

Secondly, you need to add yourself to that list.  You were the one who tried to convince us that it was statistically better not to vote to lynch someone, even though you knew perfectly well that eliminating one of our own, even if he is innocent, only increases our odds of picking a werepenguin in the next vote.

It also gives us less time in which to vote. The penguins have to kill four of us to win (going by the one in five rule of the last game), if we lose two tonight they're halfway there.

And, finally, look who changed their toon all of the sudden when they got called out for attempting to damage the democratic proccess of elimination: boydster.  If I die tonight, please vote to lynch him.  Probably DuckDogers as well.  He was quick to jump onto the "lets not point fingers and just wait to see who dies" bandwagon. 

That being said, worrying thought about boydster. I want to trust him because he made a good case, but I suppose anyone could have.
I'm not convinced about DD, there are four people including me who sided with inaction for day one, and pezevenk seemed to end up conflicted to so it isn't as though boydster doesn't have a convincing case.

Looking it over, Pezevenk and Boydster seem to be the most likely suspects. And there just so happen to be two penguins too. Interesting...

Can I vote to kill Heiwa?

Well, you only have an hour left, and if you don't vote, your vote is wasted anyway, so you may as well vote for someone who is not playing. 

Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 15, 2018, 05:48:09 AM

Can I vote to kill Heiwa?

Well, you only have an hour left, and if you don't vote, your vote is wasted anyway, so you may as well vote for someone who is not playing.

More than an hour, Crouton said he was changing the time:

Couple minor things.

1.  I'm probably going to move the end of the  turns to noon mountain time.  It just occurred to me that 8am is about worst possible time during the weekdays.

Looking it over, Pezevenk and Boydster seem to be the most likely suspects. And there just so happen to be two penguins too. Interesting...

I don't doubt that one of them is likely a werepenguin.  I just doubt that both are.  If they were, Pez would have probably tried to side with boydster instead of choosing to actually playing the game by voting to lynch someone randomly, like you and DD did. 

If Pez doesn't die today, and I die tonight, you'll all know I was right about him all along. If you kill me know, he wins twice - I'm dead and he doesn't have to do the dirty work. Unless the active penguin isn't him, in which case it could take one more cycle.

It also gives us less time in which to vote. The penguins have to kill four of us to win (going by the one in five rule of the last game), if we lose two tonight they're halfway there.

If we do nothing, our odds of picking a werepenguin in the next vote increase from 1:5 to 1:4.5.  If we pick a wrong person, our chances in the next vote increase even more to 1:4.  But, if we never vote, our chances of winning decrease to 0.

Quote from: Crouton on July 14, 2018, 11:04:22 PM

Couple minor things.

1.  I'm probably going to move the end of the  turns to noon mountain time.  It just occurred to me that 8am is about worst possible time during the weekdays.

2.  The only players that have to pm me are the werepenguins and the true flat earth scientists.  Also it's not necessary to include me in a group pm.  I guess it's not forbidden but it's not necessary.

How many hours before or after the time of the OP is that, for those of us not in that time zone? (Especially because according to google there's MDT and MST).

MDT to use it's proper code.  Or UTC-6.  Were there is less than an hour until this turn ends.  However today is as good a day as any to go with noon my time.  So the sun sets in a little less than 5 hours.

And, finally, look who changed their toon all of the sudden when they got called out for attempting to damage the democratic proccess of elimination: boydster.  If I die tonight, please vote to lynch him. 

DO NOT CALL INTO QUESTION MY RESPECT FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS!

I have to look out for myself here. I figured Pez would want me dead, because I'm on to him. I did NOT expect you to fall victim to his powers of telepathic persuasion that he is obviously exercising. That's another were-penguin trait.

Regardless, yes, a panicked because we're running out of time and I want to get Pezevenk in the daytime so he can't get me when he turns.

Lol boydster is a werepenguin trying to frame me!

Quote from: Jane on July 15, 2018, 05:48:55 AM

It also gives us less time in which to vote. The penguins have to kill four of us to win (going by the one in five rule of the last game), if we lose two tonight they're halfway there.

If we do nothing, our odds of picking a werepenguin in the next vote increase from 1:5 to 1:4.5.  If we pick a wrong person, our chances in the next vote increase even more to 1:4.  But, if we never vote, our chances of winning decrease to 0.

Quote from: Jane on July 15, 2018, 05:48:55 AM

It also gives us less time in which to vote. The penguins have to kill four of us to win (going by the one in five rule of the last game), if we lose two tonight they're halfway there.

If we do nothing, our odds of picking a werepenguin in the next vote increase from 1:5 to 1:4.5.  If we pick a wrong person, our chances in the next vote increase even more to 1:4.  But, if we never vote, our chances of winning decrease to 0.

I think the idea is that maybe the True Flat Earth Scientist will do something to save us. But yeah, tje odds are kind of in the favor of the penguins. Maybe we should change the rules to make it no win unless it's 1 in 2 players.

Quote from: Jane on July 15, 2018, 05:48:55 AM

It also gives us less time in which to vote. The penguins have to kill four of us to win (going by the one in five rule of the last game), if we lose two tonight they're halfway there.

If we do nothing, our odds of picking a werepenguin in the next vote increase from 1:5 to 1:4.5.  If we pick a wrong person, our chances in the next vote increase even more to 1:4.  But, if we never vote, our chances of winning decrease to 0.

Our chances of getting the right person now is 1/6, with how comparatively little we have to go on. Tomorrow it's 2/11, but we also have some indication of who the penguins dislike which gives a notable benefit. But what really makes a difference is day three, we get a whole other chance, 2/9 worst case, with yet more data to draw on.
But if it goes wrong tonight, and there's a 5/6 chance it will, that's a little under (accounting for new info) 2/3 chance we lose by the end of night 2. No appeals, no second chances, we're just gone.

So far a majority seem to favor inaction. Though if anyone does feel certain they've figured out a penguin, it might be worth the risk. High risk, high reward to use the cliche, if we do get one wolf on night one that gives us even more time.
I have to say I am reluctantly leaning towards boydster.

Especially in light of:

If Pez doesn't die today, and I die tonight, you'll all know I was right about him all along. If you kill me know, he wins twice - I'm dead and he doesn't have to do the dirty work. Unless the active penguin isn't him, in which case it could take one more cycle.

Except he definitely wouldn't if you've said that. Killing you would then be tantamount to suicide.

One of the wolves is definitely Boydster or Pez. Which does lend a certain credence to jroa's strategy; either way we're getting rid of one wolf, whether today or tomorrow.

The way I see it, we have a 3-way tie.  One vote for Wesker, one for boydster, and one for Pezevenk.  We have four hours to vote, and it would take just one of you to break this tie by voting for boydster, the killer of democracy.  Does anyone want to catch a werepenguin? 

The way I see it, we have a 3-way tie.  One vote for Wesker, one for boydster, and one for Pezevenk.  We have four hours to vote, and it would take just one of you to break this tie by voting for boydster, the killer of democracy.  Does anyone want to catch a werepenguin?

To be fair, he did ask what others' opinions were.
I'm still leaning towards waiting out day one, but I won't cancel if someone does vote now, looks like the people want blood.

Also why is no one discussing the merits of my plan to kill the narrator?

Also why is no one discussing the merits of my plan to kill the narrator?

The narrator did introduce us all to Scarlet conveniently close to her death.

I'm not a were-penguin, dammit! I tried getting the community to take a rational approach to identifying the were-penguins. I voted Pez because I think he might be - he led with accusations right out of the gates, and was all too happy to switch to a new accusation so long as it still meant a villager dies. So, to further that, I also don't think Jane or Bullwinkle are were-penguins.

Right now, it still means nothing because it seems we are not building a consensus around anyone in particular and we have a 3-way tie.

I'm not a were-penguin, dammit! I tried getting the community to take a rational approach to identifying the were-penguins. I voted Pez because I think he might be - he led with accusations right out of the gates, and was all too happy to switch to a new accusation so long as it still meant a villager dies

I agree on Pez, but equally jroa's right that a penguin isn't going to want to lynch. And you did drop your principles pretty quickly to try to kill Pez. The penguins flourish when we turn against each other, kill each other for them, and there's just as much to indicate you as there is Pez.

Right now, it still means nothing because it seems we are not building a consensus around anyone in particular and we have a 3-way tie.

A three way tie isn't the worst thing; 2/3 of them are likely penguins. That's pretty close to a consensus. Plus I doubt Wesker is a serious threat unless jroa really is a problem, he was just Pez throwing out a name.
We only need a consensus around two. We've got two nights to find a penguin, three if we don't lynch today.

Three-ish hours to cast your votes!
Peace, Pez, Boydster or Wesker are the current frontrunners.

My thoughts are:
If it's not Pez, it's Boydster, and vice-versa.
If it's Wesker, then it's probably jroa.
And there's still a real chance Shifter's the penguin, watching silently as penguins are known to do.

I'm just getting everything down in case I die.