Were-penguin, player's thread

Maybe we should lynch Wesker.  He is always a winner.  He should be the first on to die.

How many votes do we need to chin the murder bar?

I am not voting yet, but I have some ideas.  I think there should be a rule that werepenguins should not be able to directly lie or something like that.

I kind of like the idea but since I'm new to this I'm going to play this one straight.

Oh.  Also 19 hours until sunset.

Poor Scarlet. WE SHALL AVENGE HER DEATH.

I am not ready to vote, but I have some thoughts.

Crouton - the best part of a salad?  Perhaps.

boydster - guilty of poll trickery, defeater of poop chickens.

Albert Wesker - will he Wesker all of us?

Space Cowgirl - ever vigilant.

Pezevenk - Do they even make penguin shaped Pez dispensers? I think they do.

Ichimaru Gin :] - 

Shifter - Shifter + Hitler = Shitler

DuckDodgers - Has practice dodging ducks, could probably dodge a penguin.

Bullwinkle - Meese are the natural enemy of the penguin.

Jane - Has successfully debated the worst penguins on the forum, and crushed them with her mighty intellect.
 
Roundy2.0 - Tell me something only the real Roundy would know. Ur on notice.

BabyHighSpeed - Has 10 years of penguin research on a hard drive he can't find.

jroa - The penguins tremble in fear whenever he is near.

Quote from: jroa on July 14, 2018, 11:10:09 AM

Quote from: boydster on July 14, 2018, 08:07:25 AM

Ok so employing some strategery. Does it make sense to lynch anyone yet? We know nothing. Let's hold a vigil for Scarlett maybe instead?

While I admire your patience, let me remind you that every day there is a werepenguin left, one of us will die.  Sure, we may kill an inocent villager or two, but if lynch no one, then we will all eventually be killed.

I understand that, but what do we gain by killing someone today? Will we get a were-penguin? Maybe, if we lynch Pezevenk. Will we kill a villager? Probably. And then what have we accomplished? Another victory for were-penguins?

I don't know about you, but Scarlett and I didn't know each other very well. I'm not sure what penguin might have been motivated to kill her.

Surprisingly decent point. Odds are 5/6 that we kill a villager, while means after the penguin attacks that's 1/5 of us gone by day one.
Whereas if someone dies overnight, we only lose one rather than two and we can look at all the accusations to see who the penguin might've disliked, and see who disliked the victim. Some double bluffs to play around with, but there is something to be said for lynching when sure; that way we as a whole last longer and have more chances to determine the penguins among us. If nothing else it's one more day to make an informed judgement.

Alternatively, you could be a penguin who wants to live.

In fact, I'm up for a good senseless killing right now.

IT'S YOOOUUUUUUU

Either way I'm not voting until everyone posts here for a bit, but how about a second vote? If we get to five yesses (given two wolves would likely say no, and there are twelve total) we lynch and those interested cast their vote. If not, we bar the windows and hunker down and pray to survive the night.
Lynch on the first day, y/n?
I'm actually conflicted now, so if you're a penguin kudos for the tactic and please don't kill me.

How many votes do we need to chin the murder bar?

Whoever gets the most votes.  If there is a tie then no lynching.  You can also use your vote to cancel out someone else's vote.

Oh also, no backsies.  Once you say the magic words you're committed.

Can we go full Into the Woods and kill the narrator?

Fuck it. I vote Wesker to be lynched. Someone has to make a start.

Fuck it. I vote Wesker to be lynched. Someone has to make a start.

This is when we find out he's the FE scientist and you've just doomed us all.

Lynch on the first day, y/n?

First of all, "Surprisingly"?? Dang.

I'm in the "no" camp. But if we can't rally up enough support for that, I think Pezevenk has to be the first to go. He already voted to murder Wesker, and he's been blood thirsty from the outset.

Quote from: Jane on July 14, 2018, 11:43:55 AM

Lynch on the first day, y/n?

First of all, "Surprisingly"?? Dang.

I'm in the "no" camp. But if we can't rally up enough support for that, I think Pezevenk has to be the first to go. He already voted to murder Wesker, and he's been blood thirsty from the outset.

Hey, you seemed like a penguin trying to survive
But I do see what you mean, good old game theory. We're more likely to get through this if we don't turn on each other. The penguins, vicious blighters that they are, need to be hostile, at odds with the rest of us, and that's going to be much easier to spot if we're unified.

In the spirit of that, I'm siding with you. No to lynching.
Someone's dying on the first night no matter what, we can only get rid of one of the two. Let's not double our loss. I'll use my vote to cancel Pezevenk's if no wins out.

Quote from: Jane on July 14, 2018, 11:43:55 AM

Lynch on the first day, y/n?

First of all, "Surprisingly"?? Dang.

I'm in the "no" camp. But if we can't rally up enough support for that, I think Pezevenk has to be the first to go. He already voted to murder Wesker, and he's been blood thirsty from the outset.

Blood thirsty?  What about Jane wanting to kill the narrator ?

Wait, I thought we have to lynch someone every day? Otherwise it's boring. Is that not a rule?

Wait, I thought we have to lynch someone every day? Otherwise it's boring. Is that not a rule?

We can choose not to commit murder, you murderous murderer who wants to murder!

Wait, I thought we have to lynch someone every day? Otherwise it's boring. Is that not a rule?

Quote from: boydster on July 14, 2018, 11:39:59 AM

How many votes do we need to chin the murder bar?

Whoever gets the most votes.  If there is a tie then no lynching.  You can also use your vote to cancel out someone else's vote.

Someone wants to see our numbers go down...

Wait, I thought we have to lynch someone every day? Otherwise it's boring. Is that not a rule?

The game began 5 hours ago.
A game day is 48 hours.

Take a deep breath . . . 

Quote from: Pezevenk on July 14, 2018, 12:40:11 PM

Wait, I thought we have to lynch someone every day? Otherwise it's boring. Is that not a rule?

We can choose not to commit murder, you murderous murderer who wants to murder!

That's fucking boring.

Quote from: Pezevenk on July 14, 2018, 12:40:11 PM

Wait, I thought we have to lynch someone every day? Otherwise it's boring. Is that not a rule?

Quote from: Crouton on July 14, 2018, 11:48:55 AM

Quote from: boydster on July 14, 2018, 11:39:59 AM

How many votes do we need to chin the murder bar?

Whoever gets the most votes.  If there is a tie then no lynching.  You can also use your vote to cancel out someone else's vote.

Someone wants to see our numbers go down...

Meh. When we played the game, if there was a tie between two, we'd just have a vote where we could only pick one of the two and we lynched them anyways.

Also if I was a werepenguin, I'd try to conceal it by pretending to care for not killing innocent players, like some other people do... Hmmm...

Meh. When we played the game, if there was a tie between two, we'd just have a vote where we could only pick one of the two and we lynched them anyways.

Also if I was a werepenguin, I'd try to conceal it by pretending to care for not killing innocent players, like some other people do... Hmmm...

That's less feasible on a forum, trying to get consensus between multiple players and timezones.

Don't let the penguins split us up! That's what they want!

Dammit, ok, I retract the vote for Wesker.

I don't think you are allowed to retract your vote. 

Source: the rules above. 

Dammit, ok, I retract the vote for Wesker.

Oh also, no backsies.  Once you say the magic words you're committed.

I stand by what I said, I'll make a random vote to cancel out yours if not lynching for day one ends up being the consensus. Same effect.

Though I'm watching you now. The slightest sign of a flipper...

OK so there has been little feedback on the lynch/not-lynch mini poll. WTF you guys, this is a big deal and deserves more attention than it's gotten. GET YOUR GAME FACE ON.

So far, Pez has voted for murder, and his vote (although he wanted to retract it) has been cast already for Wesker. We have 2 votes to abstain from lynching (Jane and me) and 1 indication that we should refrain from killing that was made prior to the roll call (Bullwinkle). These votes are unofficial as of right now, because no one other than Pezevenk has invoked the sacred ritual incantation. Does anyone else have any opinion at all?

So far, Pez has voted for murder, and his vote (although he wanted to retract it) has been cast already for Wesker.

Caveat here too: Crouton said votes can be cast to cancel out others. That might be directly to delete them, or just a random vote for someone else to force a tie, so don't let this vote force a decision.
It doesn't have to mean anything.

Quote from: boydster on July 14, 2018, 05:54:23 PM

So far, Pez has voted for murder, and his vote (although he wanted to retract it) has been cast already for Wesker.

Caveat here too: Crouton said votes can be cast to cancel out others. That might be directly to delete them, or just a random vote for someone else to force a tie, so don't let this vote force a decision.
It doesn't have to mean anything.

Right-o. We haven't committed to killing anyone yet.

I have a question. If a majority (or plurality, even) vote not to kill, does that trump a minority vote to kill? By way of example: 10 voters, 6 vote not to kill anyone and 4 vote to kill Shifter. Does Shifter die? I guess the question is, is voting NOT to kill counted as a vote? Or is it a non-vote, meaning the pro-killing votes end up taking priority?

Also, the cancellation vote - can that be as simple as voting NOT to kill Wesker, and that un-does the "Kill Wesker" vote?

Also, is tomorrow still part of this day? When does night actually start?

I have a question. If a majority (or plurality, even) vote not to kill, does that trump a minority vote to kill? By way of example: 10 voters, 6 vote not to kill anyone and 4 vote to kill Shifter. Does Shifter die? I guess the question is, is voting NOT to kill counted as a vote? Or is it a non-vote, meaning the pro-killing votes end up taking priority?

Also, the cancellation vote - can that be as simple as voting NOT to kill Wesker, and that un-does the "Kill Wesker" vote?

I don't know about the second. Maybe a 'vote for whoever will cause a tie, if possible' would have an effect, but will leave the specifics up to Crouton. For the first though, so long as they're actual votes (whether for a person in order to force a tie, or to cancel out) 6 could easily outweigh 4. In fact you'd just need four; four votes for Shifter and four for Wesker mean a tie and no one dies.

Also, is tomorrow still part of this day? When does night actually start?

I'm guessing about 24 hours after his first post, judging by his 19 hours to sunset being in about the right place.

Also, is tomorrow still part of this day? When does night actually start?

As per Wilmore's rules, sunrise to sunset in game time is 24 hours in our time.  Sunrise, the start of the non penguins turn, was 8am mountain time this morning.  The sun sets at 8am mountain time tomorrow morning.  Then it's the penguin's turn from 8am tomorrow until 8am the next day.  Wilmore's reasoning seems solid, people in different time zones making it difficult to coordinate without using a 48 hour day.

Quote from: Jane on July 14, 2018, 05:58:45 PM

Quote from: boydster on July 14, 2018, 05:54:23 PM

So far, Pez has voted for murder, and his vote (although he wanted to retract it) has been cast already for Wesker.

Caveat here too: Crouton said votes can be cast to cancel out others. That might be directly to delete them, or just a random vote for someone else to force a tie, so don't let this vote force a decision.
It doesn't have to mean anything.

Right-o. We haven't committed to killing anyone yet.

I have a question. If a majority (or plurality, even) vote not to kill, does that trump a minority vote to kill? By way of example: 10 voters, 6 vote not to kill anyone and 4 vote to kill Shifter. Does Shifter die? I guess the question is, is voting NOT to kill counted as a vote? Or is it a non-vote, meaning the pro-killing votes end up taking priority?

Also, the cancellation vote - can that be as simple as voting NOT to kill Wesker, and that un-does the "Kill Wesker" vote?

Pez has committed to killing someone.  Jane has hinted at using her vote to stop that but she hasn't done so officially yet.

There's no official vote to not kill.  There's just an official vote to cancel out someone's vote to kill.  Off the top of my head I don't know if that's functionally different or not. 

So in your example, 4 people vote to kill shifter.  But then 4 people vote to cancel that.  Those extra 2 votes don't really do anything.  Shifter lives.

One version of the rules state that a simple majority of the players is needed for a lynching.  So out of the 12 of you, 7 would need to vote on one specific person.  That seems highly unlikely to me so I went with who gets the most votes.

The no backsies rule is just practicality.  I would have a hell of a time confirming votes before the 8am deadline if people could horse trade like that.

Just to clarify the magic words to vote let's do this, enclose it in a bracket like this.  [vote to kill the narrator].  Except don't vote to kill me because it makes no sense in the context of the game.

And also, just to point out the obvious.  The penguins don't have the disadvantage of this handwringing.  Inaction guarantees their victory.

OK I think you have answered my questions.