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who is this man?
« on: July 10, 2018, 12:21:41 AM »
the Quran describes how Mary, the mother of Jesus, was approached by an angel from God, bringing her tidings she had never imagined: that she will give birth to a son, a Messiah, who will be of the righteous and will be a prophet of God, calling the Children of Israel (the Israelites) to the straight path of God.

“(And mention) when the angels said, ‘O Mary, indeed God gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near (to God). He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous.” (Quran 3:45-46)

Naturally, for Mary, this news was both strange and seemingly impossible.

“She said, ‘My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?’ (The angel) said, “Such is God; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is. And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel.” (Quran 3:47-4

The very nature of Jesus is so special, that God compares the uniqueness of His creation to that of the first man and prophet, Adam.

“Indeed, the example of Jesus to God is like that of Adam. He created him from dust; then He said to him, ‘Be,’ and he was.” (Quran 3:59)
Jesus and His Miracles

Jesus became one of the greatest prophets of God, and was sent to the Children of Israel in order to confirm the teachings of his predecessor, the Prophet Moses. His birth was a miracle, and, like all prophets of God, he was granted several miracles. He approached his people, telling them:

“And (make him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (who will say), ‘Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord’ in that I design for you from the clay (that which is) like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of God. And I cure the blind (from birth) and the leper, and I give life to the dead – by permission of God. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers. And (I have come) confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and obey me. Indeed, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path.” (Quran 3:49-51)
Jesus’s Followers

The Quran continues the story of Jesus by relating several incidents of his life and his disciples.

“But when Jesus felt (persistence in) disbelief from them, he said, ‘Who are my supporters for (the cause of) God?’ The disciples said,” We are supporters for God. We have believed in God and testify that we are Muslims (submitting to Him.) Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger (i.e., Jesus), so register us among the witnesses (to truth).” (Quran 3:52-53)

In another incident, after which an entire surah (chapter) of the Quran is named, the disciples of Jesus asked him for another miracle.

“(And remember) when the disciples said, ‘O Jesus, Son of Mary, can your Lord send down to us a table (spread with food) from the heaven?’ (Jesus) said, ‘Fear God, if you should be believers.’ They said, ‘We wish to eat from it and let our hearts be reassured and know that you have been truthful to us and be among its witnesses.’ Said Jesus, the son of Mary, ‘O God, our Lord, send down to us a table (spread with food) from the heaven to be for us a festival for the first of us and the last of us and a sign from You. And provide for us, and You are the best of providers.’” (Quran 5:112-114)

God sent them the table they had asked for, but not without a warning.

“God said, ‘Indeed, I will sent it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you – then indeed will I punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds.’” (Quran 5:115)
The End of the Story?

The story of Jesus never really ends in the Quran, as we are told that Jesus was not killed, but that rather, God raised His beloved prophet up to Him.

“(Mention) when God said, ‘O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify (i.e., free) you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you (in submission to God alone) superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ. And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.’ But as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards, and God does not like the wrongdoers.” (Quran 3:55-57)

The Quran also points out that Jesus was neither killed nor crucified. Speaking of the Children of Israel, God faults their accusations against Mary as well as their claim that they killed Jesus.

“And (We cursed them) for their disbelief and their saying against Mary a great slander. And (for) their saying, ‘Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God.’ And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but (another) was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather, God raised him to Himself. And ever is God Exalted in Might and Wise.” (Quran 4:156-15

The Quran confirms that Jesus was raised up by God, and the Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, reassured us that Jesus will be sent down to earth once again before the Day of Judgment. In a saying of Prophet Muhammad, narrated by Abu Hurairah, the Prophet said:

“By the One in Whose hand is my self, definitely the son of Maryam will soon descend among you as a just judge, and he will break the cross, kill the pig, and abolish the jizyah (tribute), and wealth will be so abundant that no one will accept it, until a single prostration will be better than the world and everything in it.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

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Re: who is this man?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2018, 03:08:28 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2018, 07:47:20 AM »
And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but (another) was made to resemble him to them.

That's as low as you can get.

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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2018, 09:22:10 AM »
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-Christ's peace be upon him

Yet live to God at the age of young people did not die so far

The person who crucified him is one of the disciples of Christ (Jude), who is told about Christ and Wuxi and betrayed by the Romans

And the punishment of Judah
# God gave a semi-Jesus peace be upon him Judas the traitor
And so
God saved Jesus peace be upon him, and God raised up to heaven until the coming to earth again to kill the Antichrist, and then die like any man should die in the end


-Prophet Jesus came to complete the message after the Prophet Moses.
The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him came to complete the message of Jesus was the true

But now is not located Gospel Jesus
Located is now the founder of the Christian Gospel of Paul distorted

31. They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) to worship none but One Ilah (God - Allah) La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) . Praise and glory be to Him, (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)."

-Jesus peace be upon him
Does not have enough time to tell all
For revelation
Due to the ongoing pursuit
So
Tell the disciples of the Prophet after him next

-God raised his body and spirit

Such as Muhammad peace be upon him on a trip alisraa and almiraag
Christ's peace be upon him
Will come down to earth
Governed by Islamic law
And kill the Antichrist and kill the pigs and break the cross

All this is not for Muslims

Because our religion does not require a full increase

God says in the Holy Qur'an
(3) This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.

But
Christ's peace be upon him
Will come down to earth

For Christians to guide them to the truth
It Abd Allah and His Messenger
Jesus is not God
nor son

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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2018, 11:29:09 AM »
yasoooo, there are people wondering if you're a real person who would have conversations, or if you only copy and paste these things all over the internet.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2018, 04:05:09 PM »
yasoooo, there are people wondering if you're a real person who would have conversations, or if you only copy and paste these things all over the internet.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2018, 10:04:13 PM »
You can get pregnant without sex and it's not a miracle. Just lame artificial insemination

Or it's possible she Jacked Joseph off and without washing her hands, jacked herself off too.

Maybe they shared the same bathwater and he didn't tell her he pleasured himself in it

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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2018, 10:16:43 PM »
You can get pregnant without sex and it's not a miracle. Just lame artificial insemination

Or it's possible she Jacked Joseph off and without washing her hands, jacked herself off too.

Maybe they shared the same bathwater and he didn't tell her he pleasured himself in it

Try to find this book and read it.


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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2018, 10:17:58 PM »
Maybe they did what horny teens do and then lied about it.

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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2018, 10:28:33 PM »
You can get pregnant without sex and it's not a miracle. Just lame artificial insemination

Or it's possible she Jacked Joseph off and without washing her hands, jacked herself off too.

Maybe they shared the same bathwater and he didn't tell her he pleasured himself in it

Try to find this book and read it.



Are you suggesting what I said can not produce a baby? It's certainly not as likely (well modern day artificial insemination is pretty good) but not impossible. Certainly not miraculous.

Mary was said to be conceived by 'the holy spirit'. But it must have DNA... What if this 'holy spirit' was not just some weird cult leaders alias. Plenty of cult leaders brainwash and have sex wither followers.

If you were not there you can not dismiss what I say out of hand. Unless you are just being an 'anti Shifter' moran

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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2018, 10:44:16 PM »
You can get pregnant without sex and it's not a miracle. Just lame artificial insemination

Or it's possible she Jacked Joseph off and without washing her hands, jacked herself off too.

Maybe they shared the same bathwater and he didn't tell her he pleasured himself in it

Try to find this book and read it.



Are you suggesting what I said can not produce a baby? It's certainly not as likely (well modern day artificial insemination is pretty good) but not impossible. Certainly not miraculous.

Mary was said to be conceived by 'the holy spirit'. But it must have DNA... What if this 'holy spirit' was not just some weird cult leaders alias. Plenty of cult leaders brainwash and have sex wither followers.

If you were not there you can not dismiss what I say out of hand. Unless you are just being an 'anti Shifter' moran

Sperm dies quickly in air or water. But to my surprise, both Mary's handjob and Joseph's bathing tub are possible - but highly unlikely - explanations for Mary's pregnancy. So it is one point for you, dingo sucker.

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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2018, 10:57:14 PM »
My point is, despite how unlikely it is, it 8s still 'more likely' than being conceived by a non coporial holy spirit

Bullwinkle suggestion they had sex then lied about it (understandable given the punishment for having sex out of wed lock) is the MOST likely. Which means she was not a virgin and Jesus was just a regular bloke

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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2018, 12:48:56 AM »
yasoooo, there are people wondering if you're a real person who would have conversations, or if you only copy and paste these things all over the internet.
Do you have any question about the subject?

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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2018, 12:51:03 AM »
My point is, despite how unlikely it is, it 8s still 'more likely' than being conceived by a non coporial holy spirit

Bullwinkle suggestion they had sex then lied about it (understandable given the punishment for having sex out of wed lock) is the MOST likely. Which means she was not a virgin and Jesus was just a regular bloke

I already granted you the point.

Since the oldest NT texts including Paul and Mark, and even younger ones like John and 1Clemens (an early non-NT letter) do not know any virgin birth, and since the most conservative Jewish Christian sect, the Ebionites, explicitely rejected the virgin birth, it is most likely a later invention, probably from Syria, as an adoption of a common pagan mythological motif.

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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2018, 01:06:36 AM »
the Islamic primary sources do not support the claim that Maryam married in her lifetime, nor the claim that she had children after the prophet Jesus (peace be upon him).  Rather, the view that she remained an unmarried virgin throughout her entire life seems more plausible from an Islamic viewpoint, as a few scholars clearly stated.  A detailed response follows below.

The Biblical Account The Christian tradition, from the New Testament, says that Maryam, the virgin mother of Jesus (peace be upon them both), was betrothed to Joseph the carpenter [Matthew 1:18].  Also, four men in total are named as Jesus’s “brothers” in the New Testament [Matthew 33:55, Mark 6:3].  The exact intended meaning and nature of the relationship is not expanded upon.

Between the various streams of Christianity however, there is a great difference of opinion regarding whether the virginity of Maryam was only valid for the time of the miraculous birth of Jesus (peace be upon him), or whether it was a “perpetual virginity” that lasted throughout her whole life.

From that difference stems another difference of opinion: whether the numerous references to Jesus’s “brothers” in the New Testament is to be taken literally or figuratively.  If taken literally, there is a debate on whether the brothers were full brothers, half-brothers or step-brothers.  Each view is the subject of its own debate and argument.

Hence, there is no consensus in the Christian tradition on these questions in the first place, such that one can say that the Bible clearly states its position on anything other than the [alleged] betrothal of Maryam to Joseph.

Also, due to the many discrepancies, changes and errors that crept into the Bible over the years, we cannot say that the betrothal to Joseph is authentic or something to be relied upon as true.

The Qur’anic ViewThe Islamic sources do not report a betrothal for Maryam, nor do they mention Joseph, nor a later marriage, nor any siblings for Jesus (peace be upon him).

In the Qur’an, there is an entire chapter named after Maryam that beautifully conveys the story of the virgin birth.  The mention of the betrothal could have easily been mentioned if it was true.

In the Islamic view, the Qur’an says that Maryam was a virgin; she had never been married before or during the time of the birth of Jesus (peace be upon him).   Maryam was quite shocked when the angel informed her that she would bear a son, saying “How can I have a son, when no man has ever touched me, nor am I a woman of loose morals?” [Qur’an, 19:20].

Imam Suyuti distinguishes the first reason Maryam gave [that “no man has ever touched me”] from the second reason because the first reason signified being “touched” in lawful wedlock, whereas the second reason meant she had never committed fornication.  Thus, her virginity at the time of the birth is established. [Tafsir al-Jalalayn, al-Suyuti]

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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2018, 01:12:04 AM »
Is there any Muslim scholar who was present at Mary's conception? No? Then everything you read is just an unverifiable story.

You believe it. Doesn't make it real

Yasoooo are you a bot? Just answer that. Specifically.

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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2018, 01:22:01 AM »
Is there any Muslim scholar who was present at Mary's conception? No? Then everything you read is just an unverifiable story.

You believe it. Doesn't make it real

Yasoooo are you a bot? Just answer that. Specifically.

God mentioned Afah and purity of Mary in the Koran
I believe in the purity of Mary
I do not believe false Jews to throw people wrongly

God is capable of everything
god give miracles
to anyone

 Moses peace be upon him with his stick
The sea turned into two sides
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2018, 01:51:39 AM »
Are you a bot yasoooo?

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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2018, 02:10:08 AM »

 Moses peace be upon him with his stick

I thought he said mooses.   ::)

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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2018, 02:41:22 AM »

 Moses peace be upon him with his stick

I thought he said mooses.   ::)

I think something screwed up with google translate...    But a mental picture of Moses with his stick,  is just as scary as Mooses with his stick.
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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2018, 02:49:19 AM »
Maybe they did what horny teens do and then lied about it.
How that conversation must have went:
Mary: Dad, I have to tell you something important...
Joachim: What is it, child?
Mary: (on the verge of tears) I'm pregnant.
Joachim: WTF MARY!!! YOU HAD SEX WITH THAT JOSEPH PUNK? AND NOW YOU'RE PREGNANT? AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN MARRIED?I'M GONNA KILL THAT BASTARD AND KICK YOU OUT OF MY HOUSE!!!
Mary: (crying) NO!!! WE DID NOT HAVE SEX, I PROMISE, IT WAS... UH... THE HOLY SPIRIT! SOME ANGEL DEFLOWERED ME WITH A FLOWER!
Joachim: Whoah, I'm sorry then.
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2018, 03:01:46 AM »
OR . . .

Mary: Dad, I have to tell you something important...
Joachim: What is it, child?
Mary: (on the verge of tears) I'm pregnant.
Joachim: OK, this might sound insane, but, hear me out . . . . .

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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2018, 05:46:06 AM »
Is there any Muslim scholar who was present at Mary's conception? No? Then everything you read is just an unverifiable story.

You believe it. Doesn't make it real

Yasoooo are you a bot? Just answer that. Specifically.

God mentioned Afah and purity of Mary in the Koran
I believe in the purity of Mary
I do not believe false Jews to throw people wrongly

God is capable of everything
god give miracles
to anyone

 Moses peace be upon him with his stick
The sea turned into two sides
And Abraham went out of the fire

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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2018, 07:31:14 AM »
OR . . .

Mary: Dad, I have to tell you something important...
Joachim: What is it, child?
Mary: (on the verge of tears) I'm pregnant.
Joachim: OK, this might sound insane, but, hear me out . . . . .

Yeah,  well there's another problem.   The first mention of virgin birth is in Matthew 1:20-23
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel"

So,  what happened to Emmanuel?   

Is it time to demand a recount,  you can't go nominating Emmanuel,  then filibustering for 2000 years and confirm Jesus.. 

The holy ghost has some splaining to do.

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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2018, 07:57:13 AM »
OR . . .

Mary: Dad, I have to tell you something important...
Joachim: What is it, child?
Mary: (on the verge of tears) I'm pregnant.
Joachim: OK, this might sound insane, but, hear me out . . . . .

Yeah,  well there's another problem.   The first mention of virgin birth is in Matthew 1:20-23
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel"

So,  what happened to Emmanuel?   

Is it time to demand a recount,  you can't go nominating Emmanuel,  then filibustering for 2000 years and confirm Jesus.. 

The holy ghost has some splaining to do.
Ι think Emmanuel means something like "God's coming" so essentially what it meant was that the child that would be born would be God's coming, so Jesus was Emmanuel, or something like that. That's what religious education taught us anyways.
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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2018, 08:19:33 AM »
OR . . .

Mary: Dad, I have to tell you something important...
Joachim: What is it, child?
Mary: (on the verge of tears) I'm pregnant.
Joachim: OK, this might sound insane, but, hear me out . . . . .

Yeah,  well there's another problem.   The first mention of virgin birth is in Matthew 1:20-23
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel"

So,  what happened to Emmanuel?   

Is it time to demand a recount,  you can't go nominating Emmanuel,  then filibustering for 2000 years and confirm Jesus.. 

The holy ghost has some splaining to do.
Ι think Emmanuel means something like "God's coming" so essentially what it meant was that the child that would be born would be God's coming, so Jesus was Emmanuel, or something like that. That's what religious education taught us anyways.

So...   Mary got knocked up, and blamed the holy ghost,  then Emmanuel was born, and they changed his name to Jesus.   Or were they separated at the border and Emmanuel got lost?
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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2018, 09:02:44 AM »
OR . . .

Mary: Dad, I have to tell you something important...
Joachim: What is it, child?
Mary: (on the verge of tears) I'm pregnant.
Joachim: OK, this might sound insane, but, hear me out . . . . .

Yeah,  well there's another problem.   The first mention of virgin birth is in Matthew 1:20-23
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel"

So,  what happened to Emmanuel?   

Is it time to demand a recount,  you can't go nominating Emmanuel,  then filibustering for 2000 years and confirm Jesus.. 

The holy ghost has some splaining to do.
Ι think Emmanuel means something like "God's coming" so essentially what it meant was that the child that would be born would be God's coming, so Jesus was Emmanuel, or something like that. That's what religious education taught us anyways.

So...   Mary got knocked up, and blamed the holy ghost,  then Emmanuel was born, and they changed his name to Jesus.   Or were they separated at the border and Emmanuel got lost?
I looked it up, and it is roughly what I said. Emmanuel means "God is with us". So basically what was supposedly meant is that Emmanuel would be some sort of title. I don't know, religion stuff is confusing. 
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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2018, 09:18:19 AM »
OR . . .

Mary: Dad, I have to tell you something important...
Joachim: What is it, child?
Mary: (on the verge of tears) I'm pregnant.
Joachim: OK, this might sound insane, but, hear me out . . . . .

Yeah,  well there's another problem.   The first mention of virgin birth is in Matthew 1:20-23
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel"

So,  what happened to Emmanuel?   

Is it time to demand a recount,  you can't go nominating Emmanuel,  then filibustering for 2000 years and confirm Jesus.. 

The holy ghost has some splaining to do.
Ι think Emmanuel means something like "God's coming" so essentially what it meant was that the child that would be born would be God's coming, so Jesus was Emmanuel, or something like that. That's what religious education taught us anyways.

So...   Mary got knocked up, and blamed the holy ghost,  then Emmanuel was born, and they changed his name to Jesus.   Or were they separated at the border and Emmanuel got lost?
I looked it up, and it is roughly what I said. Emmanuel means "God is with us". So basically what was supposedly meant is that Emmanuel would be some sort of title. I don't know, religion stuff is confusing.

Matthew 1:20-23 is a quote from the Old Testament. The author desperately looked for predictions of Jesus' coming and that was the best he could find.

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Re: who is this man?
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2018, 11:29:16 AM »
yasoooo, there are people wondering if you're a real person who would have conversations, or if you only copy and paste these things all over the internet.
Do you have any question about the subject?

Let me think about it. I have to read it more carefully.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: who is this man?
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2018, 12:34:53 PM »
You can get pregnant without sex and it's not a miracle. Just lame artificial insemination
It would have been a miracle 2000 years ago.

Or it's possible she Jacked Joseph off and without washing her hands, jacked herself off too.

Maybe they shared the same bathwater and he didn't tell her he pleasured himself in it
Those sound equally miraculous (i.e., highly unlikely).

Something to consider is that back then, a woman was legally considered a virgin until she was married.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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