Ok, so it's only bad in your mind if the animal is killed because the person doing it likes killing?
No, I think it's bad, period. But the reason or justification one has to do a bad thing makes a difference in my mind. When one hunts for fun, what that shows me is a desensitization to violence towards animals to the point of enjoying it. That's a quality I don't like in a person. I'm not obloged to like what they're doing.
What about insisting on humane practices, or even some spiritual connections like halal requires. Making sure the animal doesn't suffer unecessarily would seem to outweigh the other considerations you are raising.
Humane practices are good. But in the end of the day you're still killing it.
Huh? I thought I explained this already. You can either accept that an animal has been killed to provide you with food or not, If you accept it, then you no longer have moral standing to complain about the people who do the killing on your behalf. To accept the food, and then complain about the killing that provided it, is hypocritical.
First of all, hunters don't do any killing for my behalf. Second, I already explained that even if you acknowledge something has to be done, it doesn't necessarily mean you like the person who has chosen to do it. Third, I also said I don't generally have an issue with farmers. Fourth, as I also said, me eating animals is not something I'm proud of and I'm trying to change it and have already done progress, so don't accuse me of being hypocritical when I say I believe it's wrong.
The ecosystem is a separate question, there is no coorelation between hunting per se, and negative ecosystem impacts.
The equivalency is the argument I've already outlined.
But I said it's not equivalent for these situations where it does have a negative impact (which is many situations).
If you don't like people killing animals for meat, then don't eat meat.
Thanks for the suggestion, if only I had thought about it sooner
Also you're trying to make hunting equivalent to purchasing meat but it's just not, for many reasons, some of which I've outlined.