Antarctica

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Antarctica
« on: June 18, 2018, 07:56:16 AM »
Has any flat Earther ever gone to Antarctica? If not, why? Is it because of soldiers guarding it? If none of you have ever gone there, why do you think there would be soldiers?
You can't use the Antarctic treaty as argument for that claim.
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Antarctica shall be used for peaceful purposes only. There shall be prohibited, inter alia, any measures of a military nature, such as the establishment of military bases and fortifications, the carrying out of military maneuvers, as well as the testing of any type of weapons.
https://www.nsf.gov/geo/opp/antarct/anttrty.jsp
If you claim that this treaty is a lie, then what is the real one and where the heck did you find it?

If you need evidence that you are actually in Antarctica, look for a colony of Emperor Penguins for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_penguin

Flat Earthers are able to go to the Arctic, so some of you should also be able to go to Antarctica. Don't make up excuses that it's impossible, you can't know that if no one of you actually tried it. Even on a flat Earth it's possible to reach your ice wall. Also trying and failing doesn't mean it's impossible. Most inventions for example failed at the beginning or were thought to be impossible. For instance it was believed that heavier than air aircraft are impossible, yet we now have planes.

You can book a cruise to Antarctica. There is certainly someone of you able to afford it.
http://www.antarcticatravels.com/en/antarctica/classic-antarctica/16,classic-antarctica/
https://oceanwide-expeditions.com/antarctica/cruises

Evidences that you are actually in Antarctica are a 24h day in summer (summer in Antarctica obviously) and emperor penguins or other wildlife native to Antarctica.

Here is a list of expeditions to Antarctica showing that there are people exploring it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_expeditions
I know you are just going to say those are fake or something like that. For that reason one of you should go there a make a report. Best if you update the report daily, in case you disappear (which I doubt is going to happen, but you claim that NASA or whoever would stop you) we at least know when and where.

You are either going to prove that the ice wall exists or that Antarctica is a continent with a 24h day during summer, destroying your ice wall and the flat Earth with it.

If there is a flat Earther who traveled there and returned, I would like to talk to them. If there is one who disappeared, what's their name, when and where did they disappear?

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2018, 08:08:37 AM »
Has any flat Earther ever gone to Antarctica? If not, why? Is it because of soldiers guarding it? If none of you have ever gone there, why do you think there would be soldiers?
You can't use the Antarctic treaty as argument for that claim.
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Antarctica shall be used for peaceful purposes only. There shall be prohibited, inter alia, any measures of a military nature, such as the establishment of military bases and fortifications, the carrying out of military maneuvers, as well as the testing of any type of weapons.
https://www.nsf.gov/geo/opp/antarct/anttrty.jsp
If you claim that this treaty is a lie, then what is the real one and where the heck did you find it?

If you need evidence that you are actually in Antarctica, look for a colony of Emperor Penguins for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_penguin

Flat Earthers are able to go to the Arctic, so some of you should also be able to go to Antarctica. Don't make up excuses that it's impossible, you can't know that if no one of you actually tried it. Even on a flat Earth it's possible to reach your ice wall. Also trying and failing doesn't mean it's impossible. Most inventions for example failed at the beginning or were thought to be impossible. For instance it was believed that heavier than air aircraft are impossible, yet we now have planes.

You can book a cruise to Antarctica. There is certainly someone of you able to afford it.
http://www.antarcticatravels.com/en/antarctica/classic-antarctica/16,classic-antarctica/
https://oceanwide-expeditions.com/antarctica/cruises

Evidences that you are actually in Antarctica are a 24h day in summer (summer in Antarctica obviously) and emperor penguins or other wildlife native to Antarctica.

Here is a list of expeditions to Antarctica showing that there are people exploring it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_expeditions
I know you are just going to say those are fake or something like that. For that reason one of you should go there a make a report. Best if you update the report daily, in case you disappear (which I doubt is going to happen, but you claim that NASA or whoever would stop you) we at least know when and where.

You are either going to prove that the ice wall exists or that Antarctica is a continent with a 24h day during summer, destroying your ice wall and the flat Earth with it.

If there is a flat Earther who traveled there and returned, I would like to talk to them. If there is one who disappeared, what's their name, when and where did they disappear?
Have you been to Antarctica?

Have you been to further north than 20 degrees latitude?

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Dirk

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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2018, 11:21:44 AM »
Have you been to further north than 20 degrees latitude?
I lived a long time north of 20° lat north and now I live south of 20° lat south.

I think, you do as well.

Or do you mean 70° lat?

Why do FEers use degrees on a flat earth as distance from the equator as well? At what point are those angles measured?
« Last Edit: June 18, 2018, 11:49:15 AM by Dirk »

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2018, 01:46:46 AM »
Has any flat Earther ever gone to Antarctica? If not, why? Is it because of soldiers guarding it? If none of you have ever gone there, why do you think there would be soldiers?
You can't use the Antarctic treaty as argument for that claim.
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Antarctica shall be used for peaceful purposes only. There shall be prohibited, inter alia, any measures of a military nature, such as the establishment of military bases and fortifications, the carrying out of military maneuvers, as well as the testing of any type of weapons.
https://www.nsf.gov/geo/opp/antarct/anttrty.jsp
If you claim that this treaty is a lie, then what is the real one and where the heck did you find it?

If you need evidence that you are actually in Antarctica, look for a colony of Emperor Penguins for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_penguin

Flat Earthers are able to go to the Arctic, so some of you should also be able to go to Antarctica. Don't make up excuses that it's impossible, you can't know that if no one of you actually tried it. Even on a flat Earth it's possible to reach your ice wall. Also trying and failing doesn't mean it's impossible. Most inventions for example failed at the beginning or were thought to be impossible. For instance it was believed that heavier than air aircraft are impossible, yet we now have planes.

You can book a cruise to Antarctica. There is certainly someone of you able to afford it.
http://www.antarcticatravels.com/en/antarctica/classic-antarctica/16,classic-antarctica/
https://oceanwide-expeditions.com/antarctica/cruises

Evidences that you are actually in Antarctica are a 24h day in summer (summer in Antarctica obviously) and emperor penguins or other wildlife native to Antarctica.

Here is a list of expeditions to Antarctica showing that there are people exploring it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_expeditions
I know you are just going to say those are fake or something like that. For that reason one of you should go there a make a report. Best if you update the report daily, in case you disappear (which I doubt is going to happen, but you claim that NASA or whoever would stop you) we at least know when and where.

You are either going to prove that the ice wall exists or that Antarctica is a continent with a 24h day during summer, destroying your ice wall and the flat Earth with it.

If there is a flat Earther who traveled there and returned, I would like to talk to them. If there is one who disappeared, what's their name, when and where did they disappear?
Have you been to Antarctica?

Have you been to further north than 20 degrees latitude?

I said any flat Earther at all. I did not mean a specific person. Let me rephrase the question. Is there any report made by a flat Earther who has gone to Antarctica?

I'm certain you haven't gone to every other continent (excluding Antarctica in this case). Yet you are not going to claim that one of those is fake.

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2018, 03:50:28 AM »
Have you been to further north than 20 degrees latitude?
I lived a long time north of 20° lat north and now I live south of 20° lat south.
Probably correct, as I mistakenly typed the the degrees.

I meant to type 70 degrees.

Or do you mean 70° lat?
Yes.
Why do FEers use degrees on a flat earth as distance from the equator as well? At what point are those angles measured?
Coordinates on a flat surface are well understood and there is no dispute concerning degrees encircling the center point.

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2018, 03:54:28 AM »
Has any flat Earther ever gone to Antarctica? If not, why? Is it because of soldiers guarding it? If none of you have ever gone there, why do you think there would be soldiers?
You can't use the Antarctic treaty as argument for that claim.
Quote
Antarctica shall be used for peaceful purposes only. There shall be prohibited, inter alia, any measures of a military nature, such as the establishment of military bases and fortifications, the carrying out of military maneuvers, as well as the testing of any type of weapons.
https://www.nsf.gov/geo/opp/antarct/anttrty.jsp
If you claim that this treaty is a lie, then what is the real one and where the heck did you find it?

If you need evidence that you are actually in Antarctica, look for a colony of Emperor Penguins for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_penguin

Flat Earthers are able to go to the Arctic, so some of you should also be able to go to Antarctica. Don't make up excuses that it's impossible, you can't know that if no one of you actually tried it. Even on a flat Earth it's possible to reach your ice wall. Also trying and failing doesn't mean it's impossible. Most inventions for example failed at the beginning or were thought to be impossible. For instance it was believed that heavier than air aircraft are impossible, yet we now have planes.

You can book a cruise to Antarctica. There is certainly someone of you able to afford it.
http://www.antarcticatravels.com/en/antarctica/classic-antarctica/16,classic-antarctica/
https://oceanwide-expeditions.com/antarctica/cruises

Evidences that you are actually in Antarctica are a 24h day in summer (summer in Antarctica obviously) and emperor penguins or other wildlife native to Antarctica.

Here is a list of expeditions to Antarctica showing that there are people exploring it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_expeditions
I know you are just going to say those are fake or something like that. For that reason one of you should go there a make a report. Best if you update the report daily, in case you disappear (which I doubt is going to happen, but you claim that NASA or whoever would stop you) we at least know when and where.

You are either going to prove that the ice wall exists or that Antarctica is a continent with a 24h day during summer, destroying your ice wall and the flat Earth with it.

If there is a flat Earther who traveled there and returned, I would like to talk to them. If there is one who disappeared, what's their name, when and where did they disappear?
Have you been to Antarctica?

Have you been to further north than 20 degrees latitude?

I said any flat Earther at all. I did not mean a specific person. Let me rephrase the question. Is there any report made by a flat Earther who has gone to Antarctica?

I'm certain you haven't gone to every other continent (excluding Antarctica in this case). Yet you are not going to claim that one of those is fake.
I am unaware of any reports about Antarctica from any FE believer.

I have never been to Antarctica and see no reason to go and have no problem disbelieving Antarctica is as RE-tards claim.

My point is you have no problem believing it is as claimed and you have not been there either.

This topic is not about other continents.

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2018, 08:03:22 AM »

I am unaware of any reports about Antarctica from any FE believer.

I have never been to Antarctica and see no reason to go and have no problem disbelieving Antarctica is as RE-tards claim.

My point is you have no problem believing it is as claimed and you have not been there either.


Do you really not see the difference?

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2018, 08:28:12 AM »
I said any flat Earther at all. I did not mean a specific person. Let me rephrase the question. Is there any report made by a flat Earther who has gone to Antarctica?

I'm certain you haven't gone to every other continent (excluding Antarctica in this case). Yet you are not going to claim that one of those is fake.

sceptimatic claimed he had, or at least thought he might or might not be in Antarctica. Maybe you could ask him about it when his self-requested 6-month ban ends.

I've been to Antarctica.  It was easy to tell I was in high southern latitudes. Everything about my 3-month stay there, and the trips from and back to New Zealand on the way, and the trips between the US and NZ, were completely consistent with a visit to the southernmost region of a spherical earth. Little, if anything, was consistent, in any way, with a flat earth. 

I was there as well for 6 months and I couldn't tell where I was, except I was cold and the ground was covered in snow and ice.

I'm suspicious of his claim for several reasons. You can follow that thread for some of the reasons why. Since he can't defend himself for another month or so it would be unfair to sceptimatic for me to suggest that he will say whatever he wants if he thinks it helps his argument or distracts from yours, so I won't.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2018, 10:28:11 AM »
Has any flat Earther ever gone to Antarctica? If not, why? Is it because of soldiers guarding it? If none of you have ever gone there, why do you think there would be soldiers?
You can't use the Antarctic treaty as argument for that claim.
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Antarctica shall be used for peaceful purposes only. There shall be prohibited, inter alia, any measures of a military nature, such as the establishment of military bases and fortifications, the carrying out of military maneuvers, as well as the testing of any type of weapons.
https://www.nsf.gov/geo/opp/antarct/anttrty.jsp
If you claim that this treaty is a lie, then what is the real one and where the heck did you find it?

If you need evidence that you are actually in Antarctica, look for a colony of Emperor Penguins for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_penguin

Flat Earthers are able to go to the Arctic, so some of you should also be able to go to Antarctica. Don't make up excuses that it's impossible, you can't know that if no one of you actually tried it. Even on a flat Earth it's possible to reach your ice wall. Also trying and failing doesn't mean it's impossible. Most inventions for example failed at the beginning or were thought to be impossible. For instance it was believed that heavier than air aircraft are impossible, yet we now have planes.

You can book a cruise to Antarctica. There is certainly someone of you able to afford it.
http://www.antarcticatravels.com/en/antarctica/classic-antarctica/16,classic-antarctica/
https://oceanwide-expeditions.com/antarctica/cruises

Evidences that you are actually in Antarctica are a 24h day in summer (summer in Antarctica obviously) and emperor penguins or other wildlife native to Antarctica.

Here is a list of expeditions to Antarctica showing that there are people exploring it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_expeditions
I know you are just going to say those are fake or something like that. For that reason one of you should go there a make a report. Best if you update the report daily, in case you disappear (which I doubt is going to happen, but you claim that NASA or whoever would stop you) we at least know when and where.

You are either going to prove that the ice wall exists or that Antarctica is a continent with a 24h day during summer, destroying your ice wall and the flat Earth with it.

If there is a flat Earther who traveled there and returned, I would like to talk to them. If there is one who disappeared, what's their name, when and where did they disappear?
Have you been to Antarctica?

Have you been to further north than 20 degrees latitude?

I said any flat Earther at all. I did not mean a specific person. Let me rephrase the question. Is there any report made by a flat Earther who has gone to Antarctica?

I'm certain you haven't gone to every other continent (excluding Antarctica in this case). Yet you are not going to claim that one of those is fake.
I am unaware of any reports about Antarctica from any FE believer.

I have never been to Antarctica and see no reason to go and have no problem disbelieving Antarctica is as RE-tards claim.

My point is you have no problem believing it is as claimed and you have not been there either.

This topic is not about other continents.

There are a lot of movies, photos, reports about Antarctica, its wildlife etc... by people who have gone there or at the very least claim to have gone there. Flat Earther don't have anything like that. Everything about Antarctica or your ice wall is made by people, who don't even claim to have been there.

You are right that the topic is not directly about the other continents, but your arguments that I shouldn't believe in Antarctica, just because I haven't been there also applies to every other continent I haven't been to. Using your logic, you shouldn't believe in anything that you haven't seen with your own eyes. Why do you believe that the other continents you haven't visited aren't faked as well? You don't need reply to these questions, since they are off topic, just think about them.

Coming back to Antarctica. Why do you believe there is an ice wall, which is defended by soldiers, if you haven't been there? I at least, as mentioned before have photos, videos, reports etc.. about Antarctica made by people, who have been there (or at least claim to have been there, since you don't believe in anything contradicting a flat Earth). You on the other hand don't have anything except someone, who says that there is an ice wall protected by soldiers. Those people have never been there and have no evidence whatsoever. Why do you believe those people?

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robintex

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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2018, 11:16:36 AM »
I have read sections of Rowbotham's "Earth Not A Globe" and "The Sacred Texts."

Do FE's base their belief on Rowbotham's writings , such as those of the ice wall  ?

Among other things, he said the ice wall was 150 feet tall, and beyond it , there was a land of perpetual ice and snow, eternal gloom and darkness, howling winds and undescribable hurricanes.

In reading these, would you conclude that Rowbotham claimed  he had been to the ice wall and had seen the ice wall for himself ?
If not, where did he get this information ?
The story about the armed guards (I have read they are either UN or NASA or both) and the fierce penguins seem to be fairly recent.
One FE said they weren't needed until recently.
When and where did that story come from ?
If an FE took a course in imaginative and sensational writing such as "Creative Writing" , he'd probably "Ace" the course ! LOL

I have only been to North America and maybe Asia if you consider  Hong Kong to be part of Asia.
In the flat earth mindset, would all the others.....South America, Africa, Europe, etc. .....and let's include Australia and Antarctica.......be fakes ?
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THEREALDILL23

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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2018, 12:39:05 PM »
Has any flat Earther ever gone to Antarctica? If not, why? Is it because of soldiers guarding it? If none of you have ever gone there, why do you think there would be soldiers?
You can't use the Antarctic treaty as argument for that claim.
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Antarctica shall be used for peaceful purposes only. There shall be prohibited, inter alia, any measures of a military nature, such as the establishment of military bases and fortifications, the carrying out of military maneuvers, as well as the testing of any type of weapons.


https://www.nsf.gov/geo/opp/antarct/anttrty.jsp
If you claim that this treaty is a lie, then what is the real one and where the heck did you find it?

If you need evidence that you are actually in Antarctica, look for a colony of Emperor Penguins for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_penguin

Flat Earthers are able to go to the Arctic, so some of you should also be able to go to Antarctica. Don't make up excuses that it's impossible, you can't know that if no one of you actually tried it. Even on a flat Earth it's possible to reach your ice wall. Also trying and failing doesn't mean it's impossible. Most inventions for example failed at the beginning or were thought to be impossible. For instance it was believed that heavier than air aircraft are impossible, yet we now have planes.

You can book a cruise to Antarctica. There is certainly someone of you able to afford it.
http://www.antarcticatravels.com/en/antarctica/classic-antarctica/16,classic-antarctica/
https://oceanwide-expeditions.com/antarctica/cruises

Evidences that you are actually in Antarctica are a 24h day in summer (summer in Antarctica obviously) and emperor penguins or other wildlife native to Antarctica.

Here is a list of expeditions to Antarctica showing that there are people exploring it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_expeditions
I know you are just going to say those are fake or something like that. For that reason one of you should go there a make a report. Best if you update the report daily, in case you disappear (which I doubt is going to happen, but you claim that NASA or whoever would stop you) we at least know when and where.

You are either going to prove that the ice wall exists or that Antarctica is a continent with a 24h day during summer, destroying your ice wall and the flat Earth with it.

If there is a flat Earther who traveled there and returned, I would like to talk to them. If there is one who disappeared, what's their name, when and where did they disappear?
Have you been to Antarctica?

Have you been to further north than 20 degrees latitude?

I said any flat Earther at all. I did not mean a specific person. Let me rephrase the question. Is there any report made by a flat Earther who has gone to Antarctica?

I'm certain you haven't gone to every other continent (excluding Antarctica in this case). Yet you are not going to claim that one of those is fake.


IN order to visit Antarctica, you require a reason for your visit, anyone can go to one piece of the ice wall as they do hold tours leading UP TO THE WALL. No one is allowed so far into Antarctica. ( You should really read the treaty fully before assuming we are wrong regarding the military. It is a military zone, as it requires clearance since it is a "protected" area by the UN. My argument for you would be why would it matter if you can go to one part of the Antarctica, considering the edge argument your reaching at it seems is not provable by normal people like you and me. The last person to actually go far into the Antarctica was admiral Bird. He stated there was an area bigger than the U.S beyond the outer wall. So with that being said why is it you think it matters for us to go to the ice wall? Not many people have the funds to travel to the ice wall... truthfully... 
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JackBlack

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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2018, 01:52:26 PM »
Coordinates on a flat surface are well understood and there is no dispute concerning degrees encircling the center point.
Yes, coordinate on a flat surface are well understood.
They are expressed in one of 2 forms, cartesian, i.e. x and y, 2 distances; or polar, i.e. r and theta, a distance from a centre point and angle.

They are the coordinates which make sense. They are hypothetically able to be measured without any issue.
Coordinates which only ever seem to be used for flat surfaces by FEers (and by round surfaces for others) are 2 angles.
This is because it literally makes no sense.
What angle are you measuring for latitude. No one has been able to explain this.

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JackBlack

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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2018, 01:59:56 PM »
IN order to visit Antarctica, you require a reason for your visit
And that reason can simply be because you want to go, such as exploring, or making it to the south pole.

No one is allowed so far into Antarctica.
Prove it. All the evidence, including the treaty, indicates otherwise.

You should really read the treaty fully before assuming we are wrong regarding the military.
You mean how it specifically declares that it is not for military purposes and that the military is only allowed in in a non-militaristic role?
i.e.:
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1. Antarctica shall be used for peaceful purposes only. There shall be prohibited, inter alia, any measures of a military nature, such as the establishment of military bases and fortifications, the carrying out of military maneuvers, as well as the testing of any type of weapons.
2. The present Treaty shall not prevent the use of military personnel or equipment for scientific research or for any other peaceful purposes.
The exact opposite of what you claim?

Have you read it at all?

The only people it prohibits from entering are military personnel engaged in military activities.



The last person to actually go far into the Antarctica was admiral Bird. He stated there was an area bigger than the U.S beyond the outer wall.
There have been plenty of people after him, and he said nothing of the sort.

Why it is important is obvious, you make numerous claims and have nothing to support them.

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2018, 04:01:04 AM »

I am unaware of any reports about Antarctica from any FE believer.

I have never been to Antarctica and see no reason to go and have no problem disbelieving Antarctica is as RE-tards claim.

My point is you have no problem believing it is as claimed and you have not been there either.


Do you really not see the difference?
If you mean do I not see the difference you arbitrarily establish, then yes, I choose not to see it.
There are a lot of movies, photos, reports about Antarctica, its wildlife etc... by people who have gone there or at the very least claim to have gone there. Flat Earther don't have anything like that. Everything about Antarctica or your ice wall is made by people, who don't even claim to have been there.

You are right that the topic is not directly about the other continents, but your arguments that I shouldn't believe in Antarctica, just because I haven't been there also applies to every other continent I haven't been to. Using your logic, you shouldn't believe in anything that you haven't seen with your own eyes. Why do you believe that the other continents you haven't visited aren't faked as well? You don't need reply to these questions, since they are off topic, just think about them.

Coming back to Antarctica. Why do you believe there is an ice wall, which is defended by soldiers, if you haven't been there? I at least, as mentioned before have photos, videos, reports etc.. about Antarctica made by people, who have been there (or at least claim to have been there, since you don't believe in anything contradicting a flat Earth). You on the other hand don't have anything except someone, who says that there is an ice wall protected by soldiers. Those people have never been there and have no evidence whatsoever. Why do you believe those people?
I know there is an ice wall due to numerous written reports.

I know there are military people stationed there because of numerous reports.

It is not because someone "said." something.

It is because many people have written their reports and have supplied other evidence.

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rabinoz

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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2018, 05:38:40 AM »
I know there is an ice wall due to numerous written reports.
Sure  ;D ;D "due to numerous written" anonymous "reports"!

Quote from: totallackey
I know there are military people stationed there because of numerous reports.
Sure  ;D ;D "due to numerous written" anonymous "reports"!

Quote from: totallackey
It is not because someone "said." something.

It is because many people have written their reports and have supplied other evidence.
Really?

Why are you so sure that there is no single South Pole when the are numerous reports from Roald Amundsen and Robert Scott on of people visiting the single Geographic South Pole and crossing the Antarctic Continent from one side to the other via that single Geographic South Pole?

Why are you so sure that there is no single South Pole when the are a number of quite well-known flat earthers that claim that the true map includes both poles.

Take a look at this:
"A wall of ice is a pretty stupid idea"

If it wasn't such a stupid idea why would we have such ardent flat earthers as Tom Bishop, Sandokhan and JRoweSkeptic recognise that the South Pole is real and that Antarctica is an island continent?

We have from Tom Bishop:
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Re: Coriolis Effect
« Reply #31 on:
May 08, 2014, 03:29:58 AM »

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Rowbotham didn't know about the South Pole because it hadn't been discovered yet. Flat Earthers corrected the model in the early 20th Century. The model is used in the early 1900's book "The Sea-Earth Globe and its Monstrous Hypothetical Motions" by Albert Smith, whereupon the FET split into two models. The Bi-Polar model was forgotten over time, but revived in recent years by myself and others.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Here is the most "modern" version of that map (actually from TFES.org's Wiki)

Bipolar Flat Earth
Another alternative model descripting Antarctica as a distinct continent.
There is still an "ice wall" in this model, but it's not Antarctica. Beyond the rays of the sun the waters will naturally freeze.
<< not my wording! >>
It is just an "Azimuthal Equidistant Projection" of the Globe centred on the equator just south of Accra in Ghana, at (0°, 0°).

From Sandokhan:
I love how this site has been around since 2004 and no one has mad single flat earth map.
I have introduced the true FE map back in 2007, and have debated in countless threads everything about it.

And JRoweSkeptic has his Dual Earth Theory with the two hemispheres something like:

Map Northern Hemiplane, DET
             

Map Southern Hemiplane, DET

So to all those who insist that there is a massive ice-wall all around Antarctica, that there is no South Pole and all these Southern Hemisphere flights are lies,

Think again!

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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2018, 06:37:00 AM »
Flat earther's claims for Antarctica and the "ice wall" are false and are a nonsense.Anyone can visit. There are no territories in Antarctica by the Antarctic Treaty so you can travel anywhere on the continent.It is not illegal and there are no visa requirements, regardless of your nationality.However there are some guidelines that you have to follow in the name of scientific research.Even with this kind of freedom, you need lot of preparation to counter cold, winds, isolation,no indigenous availability of food, no resources to heat, and no help of any kind.That's why it is best to go along in a group.

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2018, 07:00:12 AM »
So, we have a gigantic ice wall that extends infinitely. How does the model for the sun support this? Wouldn't the atmosphere spread infinitely as well? What's generating atmosphere above the infinite sheets of ice?
 
If the sun hovers above a planar earth casting a "spotlight" in a circular path, how is it not continuously visible from the sky?
It would have to be extremely close and small for the atmosphere to be able to obscure it enough for it to appear to dip below the horizon, would it not?
Given how small it would have to be, we should be able to get a fairly accurate distance based on that fact. But, if the sun were like a flashlight, it's shape would be different depending on where you were viewing it from.
The sun would have to be close enough and small enough so that it is still spherical and that the circular path it follows doesn't cause the central pole to experience infinite daylight.

You can actually do a little experiment to see the logistics of it for yourself. If you take a flashlight and shine it on flat surface in a dark room, how close does the flashlight have to be before the edges of the surface aren't visible ? Take it a step further and print out a map of flat earth, shine a flashlight at it. Move it in a circular motion that would mimic it's path along the equator relative to the solstice. If any part of the map is visible, it's reflecting light, which would mean it would be visible in the sky. Once you get close enough that doesn't happen, measure how far away your flashlight is. The sun should relatively be that far away as well. 
But the sun can't be a flashlight, it would be closer to a light bulb. Try the experiment again with a light bulb. How small can you get the light bulb so it replicates the sun's behavior? The sun should be relatively the size of the light bulb you used. It's distance from the earth should be relative to it's measured distance from the map.
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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2018, 02:05:35 PM »
I know there is an ice wall due to numerous written reports.
I know there are military people stationed there because of numerous reports.
It is not because someone "said." something.
It is because many people have written their reports and have supplied other evidence.
Except these reports and other evidence are unable to be found.
All we have are claims (from people who haven't been there) that these are there.

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2018, 06:33:48 PM »
Then there is Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amundsen%E2%80%93Scott_South_Pole_Station.
That has been continuously occupied since 1957 and you can go visit it.  You can’t  just dismiss it.
The the universe has no obligation to makes sense to you.
The earth is a globe.

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2018, 01:52:52 AM »
Then there is Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amundsen%E2%80%93Scott_South_Pole_Station.
That has been continuously occupied since 1957 and you can go visit it.  You can’t  just dismiss it.

But they do.

Available and verified reports are fake.

Unavailable unverified here-say reports are true.

Go figure. Truth seekers indead.

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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2018, 09:46:01 AM »
Then there is Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amundsen%E2%80%93Scott_South_Pole_Station.
That has been continuously occupied since 1957 and you can go visit it.  You can’t  just dismiss it.

But they do.

Available and verified reports are fake.

Unavailable unverified here-say reports are true.

Go figure. Truth seekers indead.
That is the difference between continously developing a scientific theory and maintaining a blind belief construct.

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2018, 09:43:16 PM »
Visiting antartica is unnecessary.
Circle it.
The perimeter of the FE world vs the circumference of the continent.
Continuously turning "in" to circle?
Or continously turning "out" to avoid crashing into "the wall"?

Separate comment, if the current whitehouse cant keep a lid on leakers, how is a global conspiracy able to do so?
Logistics would require stores of food and supplies being shipped out to feed fund the massive amount of ground troops required to man such a wall.

Best not to ask...
You wont get a sensical answer.

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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2018, 01:42:26 PM »
It is not impossible that Antarctica exists as a separate island or continent, but having never been there myself, I'd be hard pressed to tell you.
"Never think you can turn over any old falsehood without a terrible squirming of the horrid little population that dwells under it." -O.W. Holmes "Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne.."

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2018, 03:08:08 PM »
It is not impossible that Antarctica exists as a separate island or continent, but having never been there myself, I'd be hard pressed to tell you.

Why not have a guess, though?

Antarctica real or made-up? Which do you think is more likely?

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2018, 06:28:10 PM »
It is not impossible that Antarctica exists as a separate island or continent, but having never been there myself, I'd be hard pressed to tell you.

Why NOT possible?

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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2018, 08:08:12 PM »
It is not impossible that Antarctica exists as a separate island or continent, but having never been there myself, I'd be hard pressed to tell you.
And you have to go somewhere to believe that place exists?

Typical Flat Earth mentality - every individual flat-earther seems to need personal evidence of every little detail to believe it.

If everybody thought that way we'd be back in the stone age.

The big problem is that the earth and everything that goes with it is far too much for one person to experience and research, yet so many individual flat-earthers, from Rowbotham on, try to develop their own hypotheses for "how everything works".
So we have the:
  • "Rowbotham's FE model (whatever that is)", with it's maybe "Ice-Wall" map "continental layout",
  • "the Tom Bishop's Bi-Polar earth map "continental layout" and a whole new set of problems,
  • "the JRoweSkeptic Dual Earth Theory" of Everything,
  • "the sceptomatic denpressure Theory" of Everything and
  • "the sandokhan FET" a subset of the new radical chronology of history and theory of Everything and then Some!

And that's just a few from this site - yet flat-earthers do not yet know the basic layout of the continents.

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Ski

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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2018, 01:30:44 PM »
Quote from: RAB
And you have to go somewhere to believe that place exists?

Do you need to talk to G-d before you can believe He exists? See Him?  Some people may say yes.


Why are you being needlessly abrasive? 

Further, I didn't say I don't believe Antarctica exists.  I said I don't have any first hand experience as to the shape of Antarctica. Presumably, neither do you or you'd bring your observations to the table.

We can say the belief that Antarctic exists as a location to which people travel is very probably true. Indeed, it's nonexistence is scarcely a conceivable idea.

You seem to be equating belief with knowledge, which is very unzetetic and epistemologically unsound.
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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2018, 02:54:18 PM »
Further, I didn't say I don't believe Antarctica exists.  I said I don't have any first hand experience as to the shape of Antarctica. Presumably, neither do you or you'd bring your observations to the table.

We can say the belief that Antarctic exists as a location to which people travel is very probably true. Indeed, it's nonexistence is scarcely a conceivable idea.

If people travel to Antarctica wouldn't they have a pretty good idea of its shape by now?

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Ski

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Re: Antarctica
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2018, 03:05:35 PM »
Further, I didn't say I don't believe Antarctica exists.  I said I don't have any first hand experience as to the shape of Antarctica. Presumably, neither do you or you'd bring your observations to the table.

We can say the belief that Antarctic exists as a location to which people travel is very probably true. Indeed, it's nonexistence is scarcely a conceivable idea.

If people travel to Antarctica wouldn't they have a pretty good idea of its shape by now?

I've travelled all number of places and never given much thought or received much revelation as to the shape of the continent, island, or imaginary lines demarking borders on a map.

Where did you last travel? Can you draw me a map based on your experience as opposed to belief?
"Never think you can turn over any old falsehood without a terrible squirming of the horrid little population that dwells under it." -O.W. Holmes "Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne.."

Re: Antarctica
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2018, 03:24:45 PM »
Further, I didn't say I don't believe Antarctica exists.  I said I don't have any first hand experience as to the shape of Antarctica. Presumably, neither do you or you'd bring your observations to the table.

We can say the belief that Antarctic exists as a location to which people travel is very probably true. Indeed, it's nonexistence is scarcely a conceivable idea.

If people travel to Antarctica wouldn't they have a pretty good idea of its shape by now?

I've travelled all number of places and never given much thought or received much revelation as to the shape of the continent, island, or imaginary lines demarking borders on a map.

Me too up to a point. I do think about geographical layout sometimes, though.

Where did you last travel? Can you draw me a map based on your experience as opposed to belief?

No, I can't.

What kind of people do you think have travelled to Antarctica? Do you think it likely that none of them have been interested in its shape?