Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.

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Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« on: June 04, 2018, 11:58:59 PM »
explain this image please


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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2018, 12:11:05 PM »
It looks like the line of towers is shifting to the right. Also a bit of refraction at play on the horizon there.

It is also an excellent demonstration of Robotham's perpective as the top and bottom of the towers are converging at different points.
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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2018, 12:54:39 PM »
It looks like the line of towers is shifting to the right.
Google Maps says otherwise


It is also an excellent demonstration of Robotham's perpective as the top and bottom of the towers are converging at different points.
Please elaborate, I would like to know the exact phenomenon you are talking about and why it happens.

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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2018, 12:57:00 PM »
I think you should look at the nonhighlighted map.


Dr. Robowtham covers perspective in ENaG.
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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2018, 02:21:03 PM »

Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2018, 02:28:49 PM »
Wait, I made a mistake. The image is a road, the power lines are much shorter, they can be very faintly seen on the eastern side of the lake.



the power lines are not the white road that curves there, its very faint. Its highlighted with the red line.

Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2018, 02:39:56 PM »
It looks like the line of towers is shifting to the right. Also a bit of refraction at play on the horizon there.
Nope. The towers go in a straight line.
There are also plenty of other photos and videos which show the same phenomenon from both sides (whereas you would expect the opposite when viewed from the right with the towers appearing to climb).


It is also an excellent demonstration of Robotham's perpective as the top and bottom of the towers are converging at different points.
If they were curving, then there would be no need for that.
Also, yes, it is a great example of his "perspective" i.e. solid evidence of the curvature of Earth which he is pretending is merely perspective.

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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2018, 02:43:39 PM »
Could the lake just bulge, or does that that curvature match the described curvature of the Earth?
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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2018, 03:54:04 PM »
Could the lake just bulge, or does that that curvature match the described curvature of the Earth?
Please elaborate. Not sure what you mean by "bulge" or what would cause such a thing other than the earth being of spherical shape

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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2018, 05:38:30 PM »
there could be an old pyramid at the bottom of the lake causing unkown effects, the water actually bulging, just putting the idea out their. I realize this may sound preposterous but the whole thing seems to have some magic too it, is not that lake very nearly circular? I know very little about lake pontchartrain or even going flat earth theory in general, but why they built two crossings on that lake seems like a lot of work, like, why not just go around? isn't one side even a peninsula or thin strip of land?

And
does the measured curvature(supposing its been calculated) match the predicted curvature of re theory.
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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2018, 05:48:37 PM »
I see now that the lake isn't a circle but it actually looks like a bunch of circles. Anyway, I don't have much trouble imagining that some unknown force could make certain bodies of water lift in the middle or swell at certain locales.
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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2018, 06:16:00 PM »
It is also an excellent demonstration of Robotham's perpective as the top and bottom of the towers are converging at different points.
If they were curving, then there would be no need for that.
Also, yes, it is a great example of his "perspective" i.e. solid evidence of the curvature of Earth which he is pretending is merely perspective.

Are you still honestly suggesting that your art school perspective is reflective of reality? Are the tops of towers converging to the same point on the horizon as the bases? Come now. Think.
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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2018, 06:17:59 PM »
Wait, I made a mistake. The image is a road, the power lines are much shorter, they can be very faintly seen on the eastern side of the lake.



the power lines are not the white road that curves there, its very faint. Its highlighted with the red line.

I'm going to delve into this at length, but I won't have time to give it the honest effort it deserves until Thursday or Friday. I also have some friends not so distant, so perhaps I can enlist them. Thanks!
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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2018, 06:41:58 PM »
Are you still honestly suggesting that your art school perspective is reflective of reality? Are the tops of towers converging to the same point on the horizon as the bases? Come now. Think.
No, and I have already explained why.
In reality, Earth is not flat.
Art-school perspective works for flat surfaces, not round ones.
In reality, on the round Earth, the horizon is below the convergence point for those parallel lines.

In reality, parallel lines converge at the same point infinitely far away, regardless of how far out the parallel lines are.
The top and bottom (and all bits in between), when measured from the start in the region they are roughly parallel (they are not perfectly the same curvature), converge at roughly the same point.
Further out, the bottom disappears first due to the curvature.

A better image to show this is an image of a brick wall or a wall with horizontal slats, viewed from a shallow angle, like so:

Notice how they converge to the same point?

It is simple math.
The distance between the lines shrinks as you get further and further away.
Eventually at an infinite distance, the distance between the lines reaches 0 and the lines converge.

That is how perspective actually works, and it does so in any direction.

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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2018, 06:47:12 PM »
Even in your example the uppermost bricks don't converge to the same point. Good heavens, child. Think!
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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2018, 07:18:38 PM »
Even in your example the uppermost bricks don't converge to the same point. Good heavens, child. Think!
The uppermost bricks are difficult to determine the exact line, due to how short it is (and thus slight error in placing the points can result in a large error in apparent position), but they still seem to converge to the same point.


Perhaps you should stop with the insults and start thinking yourself?

Even better, provide an explanation for why they shouldn't converge to the same point.

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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2018, 12:50:28 AM »
I'm using a straight edge and none of the upper bricks are lining up.
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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2018, 03:48:31 AM »
I'm using a straight edge and none of the upper bricks are lining up.
Yet when a straight line is drawn it it works just fine.

Again, can you provide an explanation for why they wouldn't converge at the same point, other than as people not lining it up correctly?

Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2018, 03:57:31 AM »
explain this image please


the lake dips and so it does too.

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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2018, 04:02:51 AM »
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

Scripture, facts, science, stats, and logic is how I argue.

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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2018, 06:44:36 AM »
Wait, I made a mistake. The image is a road, the power lines are much shorter, they can be very faintly seen on the eastern side of the lake.

the power lines are not the white road that curves there, its very faint. Its highlighted with the red line.

I'm going to delve into this at length, but I won't have time to give it the honest effort it deserves until Thursday or Friday. I also have some friends not so distant, so perhaps I can enlist them. Thanks!
I haven't abandoned this. I think I'll have an hour's worth of time tonight to set aside to begin delving into this (local topography, other photos of the area, etc).
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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2018, 10:34:39 AM »
I'll jump in, seeing as I have crossed Lake Pontchartrain every day to get to school and back at one point. (I could also perform on-site experiments.) It is a 24-mile bridge that takes about 30 minutes to cross between the Northshore and the Southshore. What I noticed is when you are at the middle, you cannot see any buildings at the horizon at all. This is due to the curvature of the Earth, or at least, we don't have any other explanation. As I reach the shore, I can begin to see the city, starting from the tallest buildings, and later on including the shorter buildings, including the Mercedes-Benz Superdome.

New quest:
     Why do I see the taller buildings first followed by the shorter buildings, when crossing the Pontchartrain Bridge?

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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2018, 10:49:07 AM »
This is all covered in Earth Not a Globe.

Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2018, 02:21:16 PM »
This is all covered in Earth Not a Globe.
Yes, with blatant lies about perspective.
Earth Not a Globe contains many many blatant lies all to pretend Earth is flat.
It is a shame RowBoat couldn't come up with an actual argument to justify his claims.

He tries to use the curvature of Earth as evidence for magic perspective.

You complain that we have no evidence for perspective to continue to act the way it does at small scales, yet happily accept the nonsense of RowBoat without questioning; why is that?

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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2018, 02:56:12 PM »
This is all covered in Earth Not a Globe.
Yes, with blatant lies about perspective.
Earth Not a Globe contains many many blatant lies all to pretend Earth is flat.
It is a shame RowBoat couldn't come up with an actual argument to justify his claims.

He tries to use the curvature of Earth as evidence for magic perspective.

You complain that we have no evidence for perspective to continue to act the way it does at small scales, yet happily accept the nonsense of RowBoat without questioning; why is that?

The conclusions made in Earth Not a Globe are based on empirical deductions from direct evidence.

The Ancient Greeks and their ideas about infinitely receding perspective lines are based on rationalism of a perfect world.

Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2018, 03:56:26 PM »
The conclusions made in Earth Not a Globe are based on empirical deductions from direct evidence.
Not in the slightest.
They are based upon the blind assertion that Earth is flat and then they attempt to make observations fit.

There is no justification at all for why perspective should have a magic preferential direction, nor any evidence that it does.
The only observation allegedly supporting it is objects disappearing from the bottom up, which is due to the curvature of Earth which he dismisses.

There is absolutely no evidence that perspective works the way RowBoat claims, while there is plenty of evidence to suggest it works the way mainstream science accepts it works.
It isn't even based upon magic perspective lines at all.
It is simply the apparent direction to an object. It is not treated as a separate issue of "how perspective works", it is simply what direction you need to look to see an object and by extension to see different parts of an object.

This real view of perspective works perfectly, and matches all observation, which FEers agree upon with the exception of things hidden by the horizon and stars and the like.

The really sad part is that it doesn't even match what is observed in reality.
In reality, objects disappear from the bottom up.
If RowBoats magic perspective was true, then they would disappear from the eyeline outwards.

There is even a good example of this on the page, but it doesn't go into the serious issues with it.

The centre disappears first, as it is aligned with the eyeline.
But that would leave a hole in the middle.
So the only way to actually have it disappear is if slices disappear, which then raises the question of what orientation it should be in.
There is no justification for any preferred orientation, so slices should disappear in all directions, leading to nothing being left to see.

If you ignore that massive problem and instead pretend the slice that disappears will be parallel to the surface of Earth, you are still left with a massive problem, buildings and the like should disappear from the eye level out. The middle of the ship should disappear first slowly growing outwards until it reaches the ground when it is far enough away.
Instead they disappear from the bottom up.

So this magic perspective clearly doesn't match reality.

(There is also the issue of the stick magically growing longer as the circle shrinks which is completely unjustified as well).

But there is another big issue.
Notice how the lamp posts line up in this image:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/img/fig77.jpg

It has the tops all line up in a straight line.
The only thing he attempts to explain here is why it disappears from the bottom up.
But this doesn't happen with the power lines. Instead there is a clear curve.
There is no justification of why this should occur from the FEers.

If this curve is the work of magic perspective, then many of his claims no longer indicate a flat Earth. instead they would indicate a concave Earth, and these curved powerlines would raise a similar issue.
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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2018, 04:57:27 PM »
I've crossed the bridge many times myself in the course of doing Earth shape research.

The OP image does not represent a round Earth.  It does represent bridge build arcing along with distortion naturally occurring in the atmoplane.

Other trained observers concur that FET does explain the bridge-over-water phenomenon.   

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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2018, 05:15:38 PM »
tl

Rowbotham performs numerous experiments on perspective to demonstrate and explain the phenomenon that occurs. It is not a baseless claim. Read Earth Not a Globe.

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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2018, 06:05:44 PM »
This is all covered in Earth Not a Globe.
Yes, with blatant lies about perspective.
Earth Not a Globe contains many many blatant lies all to pretend Earth is flat.
It is a shame RowBoat couldn't come up with an actual argument to justify his claims.

He tries to use the curvature of Earth as evidence for magic perspective.

You complain that we have no evidence for perspective to continue to act the way it does at small scales, yet happily accept the nonsense of RowBoat without questioning; why is that?

The conclusions made in Earth Not a Globe are based on empirical deductions from direct evidence.

The Ancient Greeks and their ideas about infinitely receding perspective lines are based on rationalism of a perfect world.
When modern day CGI artists are creating their hyper-realistic 3D models, who's perspective do you think that they're using: Rowbotham's or the Ancient Greek's?
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Re: Power lines stretching across lake pontchartrain.
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2018, 06:23:00 PM »
When modern day CGI artists are creating their hyper-realistic 3D models, who's perspective do you think that they're using: Rowbotham's or the Ancient Greek's?

It is more like Rowbotham's perspective, actually. The Ancient Greek perspective assumes that we can see to infinity, and perspective lines will recede into infinity, whereas on a computer generated landscape the viewing limit is limited by pixels and elements will merge.