How do Flat Earthers know all of this?

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2018, 05:16:15 PM »
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Why can't any of your posts be unique? You seem to have a whole library of posts stored on your computer ready to copy/pasta on almost every new thread

Maybe he is just capable of retaining much more information than you are?

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2018, 05:27:23 PM »
You haven't destroyed any arguments. You claimed that Flat Earthers know about everything the government does and how they do it, when we've never claimed that. Then you all gave each other asspats.

Can you explain why you started to believe the flat earth?

I read the words of the great Tom Bishop and looked out my window.

Tom Bishop is one of the biggest frauds alive and you bought his shit...what a fool.

"I looked out my window"....lol....are you trying to make FET look stupid, or do you really not understand why that statement is so ridiculous?

I beg to differ !!!!
If you have been on this forum for any length of time, you will come to the conclusion that Tom Bishop is the acknowledged greatest expert, authority and spokesman for The Flat Earth Society since Sir Samuel Birley Rowbotham, PHD, MD,
The Knight Of The Roundabout  !!!!

I "just looked out my window."
The world must be like the house across the street ! LOL
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Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

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Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2018, 05:30:18 PM »
I was a government employee with a Secret Clearance.  That is all I can say about that.

I was once on Shore Patrol duty in the Navy. That is all I can say about that..
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2018, 06:36:41 PM »
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Essentially the reasoning boils down to -

P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated
P2) The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth
P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET

C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET is fabricated evidence
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From THE FLAT EARTH Wiki, Place of the Conspiracy in FET.[/size]

It clearly states "The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth" and "If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated".
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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2018, 06:40:15 PM »
You haven't destroyed any arguments. You claimed that Flat Earthers know about everything the government does and how they do it, when we've never claimed that. Then you all gave each other asspats.

Can you explain why you started to believe the flat earth?

I read the words of the great Tom Bishop and looked out my window.

Tom Bishop is one of the biggest frauds alive and you bought his shit...what a fool.

"I looked out my window"....lol....are you trying to make FET look stupid, or do you really not understand why that statement is so ridiculous?

I beg to differ !!!!
If you have been on this forum for any length of time, you will come to the conclusion that Tom Bishop is the acknowledged greatest expert, authority and spokesman for The Flat Earth Society since Sir Samuel Birley Rowbotham, PHD, MD, The Knight Of The
Roundabout  !!!!

I "just looked out my window."
The world must be like the house across the street ! LOL

Between this nuthouse and the other flat earth nuthouse, I have spend plenty of time reading the ramblings of one, Tom Bishop.

He is either a genius scam artist or a very delusional being.  Either way, he should be under constant supervision.

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2018, 06:45:54 PM »
You haven't destroyed any arguments. You claimed that Flat Earthers know about everything the government does and how they do it, when we've never claimed that. Then you all gave each other asspats.

Can you explain why you started to believe the flat earth?

I read the words of the great Tom Bishop and looked out my window.

Tom Bishop is one of the biggest frauds alive and you bought his shit...what a fool.

"I looked out my window"....lol....are you trying to make FET look stupid, or do you really not understand why that statement is so ridiculous?

I beg to differ !!!!
If you have been on this forum for any length of time, you will come to the conclusion that Tom Bishop is the acknowledged greatest expert, authority and spokesman for The Flat Earth Society since Sir Samuel Birley Rowbotham, PHD, MD, The Knight Of The
Roundabout  !!!!

I "just looked out my window."
The world must be like the house across the street ! LOL

Between this nuthouse and the other flat earth nuthouse, I have spend plenty of time reading the ramblings of one, Tom Bishop.

He is either a genius scam artist or a very delusional being.  Either way, he should be under constant supervision.

If I were a cop, I'd lock him up for being a pedo or up to something really shady on that avatar alone. No offense Tom. It's just too creepy

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2018, 06:57:11 PM »
I was a government employee with a Secret Clearance.  That is all I can say about that.

I was once on Shore Patrol duty in the Navy. That is all I can say about that..

Did you and your little Navy ever happen to sail around the GREAT ice wall?  :)  Did you ever have to lock someone up for talking about the GREAT ice wall?  If you say "no"... obviously, you weren't cleared to know such information!  *chuckle*
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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2018, 07:48:48 PM »
I was a government employee with a Secret Clearance.  That is all I can say about that.

I was once on Shore Patrol duty in the Navy. That is all I can say about that..

Did you and your little Navy ever happen to sail around the GREAT ice wall?  :)  Did you ever have to lock someone up for talking about the GREAT ice wall?  If you say "no"... obviously, you weren't cleared to know such information!  *chuckle*

I also had a Security Check and Security Clearance in my Specialty Rating  but I guess I wasn't high enough in rank or importance for me or the ships on which I served to permit a cruise to the ice wall.
I never heard about a flat earth or an ice wall when I was in the Navy. Most of the persons in the Navy I knew were reasonably sane.
I only "discovered" the flat earth and the ice walll on this website. Never heard of them anywhere else. LOL

PS . The earth, astronomy and everything else is a lot bigger than your little "flat earth."
It's so small you spell "flat earth" in lower case.
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2018, 07:59:55 PM »
I was a government employee with a Secret Clearance.  That is all I can say about that.

I was once on Shore Patrol duty in the Navy. That is all I can say about that..

Did you and your little Navy ever happen to sail around the GREAT ice wall?  :)  Did you ever have to lock someone up for talking about the GREAT ice wall?  If you say "no"... obviously, you weren't cleared to know such information!  *chuckle*

I also had a Security Check and Security Clearance in my Specialty Rating  but I guess I wasn't high enough in rank or importance for me or the ships on which I served to permit a cruise to the ice wall.
I never heard about a flat earth or an ice wall when I was in the Navy. Most of the persons in the Navy I knew were reasonably sane.
I only "discovered" the flat earth and the ice walll on this website. Never heard of them anywhere else. LOL

PS . The earth, astronomy and everything else is a lot bigger than your little "flat earth."
It's so small you spell "flat earth" in lower case.

The fact that you would freely divulge your security clearance on an unsecure and dodgy forum that goes by 'flat earth', is good enough reason why they were right to keep things from you and didn't advance your clearance. Your clearance (if still active) could and should be revoked for such a breach.

You're fired!


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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2018, 09:27:23 PM »
I was a government employee with a Secret Clearance.  That is all I can say about that.

I was once on Shore Patrol duty in the Navy. That is all I can say about that..

Did you and your little Navy ever happen to sail around the GREAT ice wall?  :)  Did you ever have to lock someone up for talking about the GREAT ice wall?  If you say "no"... obviously, you weren't cleared to know such information!  *chuckle*

I also had a Security Check and Security Clearance in my Specialty Rating  but I guess I wasn't high enough in rank or importance for me or the ships on which I served to permit a cruise to the ice wall.
I never heard about a flat earth or an ice wall when I was in the Navy. Most of the persons in the Navy I knew were reasonably sane.
I only "discovered" the flat earth and the ice walll on this website. Never heard of them anywhere else. LOL

PS . The earth, astronomy and everything else is a lot bigger than your little "flat earth."
It's so small you spell "flat earth" in lower case.

The fact that you would freely divulge your security clearance on an unsecure and dodgy forum that goes by 'flat earth', is good enough reason why they were right to keep things from you and didn't advance your clearance. Your clearance (if still active) could and should be revoked for such a breach.

You're fired!

That's ignorant.  Everyone also knows the president and a whole slew of other public figures have security clearances.  That does not make them a threat to national security.  :)   Having a clearance doesn't mean f*ckall.  Stating what you might have been read into... that's a different story.
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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2018, 09:31:59 PM »
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I note that your signature claims
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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2018, 09:36:02 PM »
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Could I be so bold as to suggest that Cletus isn't quite the sharpest knife in the drawer!

I note that your signature claims
"No trees have been harmed in the creation of this message.  However, numerous electrons have been horribly inconvenienced."
But ;) how much irreplaceable, climate-change causing fossil fuel was horribly burnt "in the creation of that message"?

No fossil fuels... only barley, hops, and yeast.  ;)
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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2018, 09:51:29 PM »
I was a government employee with a Secret Clearance.  That is all I can say about that.

I was once on Shore Patrol duty in the Navy. That is all I can say about that..

Did you and your little Navy ever happen to sail around the GREAT ice wall?  :)  Did you ever have to lock someone up for talking about the GREAT ice wall?  If you say "no"... obviously, you weren't cleared to know such information!  *chuckle*

I also had a Security Check and Security Clearance in my Specialty Rating  but I guess I wasn't high enough in rank or importance for me or the ships on which I served to permit a cruise to the ice wall.
I never heard about a flat earth or an ice wall when I was in the Navy. Most of the persons in the Navy I knew were reasonably sane.
I only "discovered" the flat earth and the ice walll on this website. Never heard of them anywhere else. LOL

PS . The earth, astronomy and everything else is a lot bigger than your little "flat earth."
It's so small you spell "flat earth" in lower case.

The fact that you would freely divulge your security clearance on an unsecure and dodgy forum that goes by 'flat earth', is good enough reason why they were right to keep things from you and didn't advance your clearance. Your clearance (if still active) could and should be revoked for such a breach.

You're fired!

That's ignorant.  Everyone also knows the president and a whole slew of other public figures have security clearances.  That does not make them a threat to national security.  :)   Having a clearance doesn't mean f*ckall.  Stating what you might have been read into... that's a different story.

You are not a public figure. I have seen peoples clearances revoked because they were 'bragging about it' to their mates. See ya later.

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2018, 10:08:29 PM »
I was a government employee with a Secret Clearance.  That is all I can say about that.

I was once on Shore Patrol duty in the Navy. That is all I can say about that..

Did you and your little Navy ever happen to sail around the GREAT ice wall?  :)  Did you ever have to lock someone up for talking about the GREAT ice wall?  If you say "no"... obviously, you weren't cleared to know such information!  *chuckle*

I also had a Security Check and Security Clearance in my Specialty Rating  but I guess I wasn't high enough in rank or importance for me or the ships on which I served to permit a cruise to the ice wall.
I never heard about a flat earth or an ice wall when I was in the Navy. Most of the persons in the Navy I knew were reasonably sane.
I only "discovered" the flat earth and the ice walll on this website. Never heard of them anywhere else. LOL

PS . The earth, astronomy and everything else is a lot bigger than your little "flat earth."
It's so small you spell "flat earth" in lower case.

The fact that you would freely divulge your security clearance on an unsecure and dodgy forum that goes by 'flat earth', is good enough reason why they were right to keep things from you and didn't advance your clearance. Your clearance (if still active) could and should be revoked for such a breach.

You're fired!

That's ignorant.  Everyone also knows the president and a whole slew of other public figures have security clearances.  That does not make them a threat to national security.  :)   Having a clearance doesn't mean f*ckall.  Stating what you might have been read into... that's a different story.

You are not a public figure. I have seen peoples clearances revoked because they were 'bragging about it' to their mates. See ya later.

First off, you don't know that I am not a public figure so... that assertion is absent of any support.  And so you have seen people's clearances revoked for bragging about them to their mates.  Obviously then, they must have lost their jobs as well.  It's rather difficult to work in a restricted environment without a clearance.  Besides... it's the issue of being "read in" that matters.  You can have a clearance and never once see anything classified.  The clearance serves to say, "we checked you out".  Whether or not you get attached to a programme or project is another story. 

I suspect that what you think you saw was actually someone yammering about a particular programme of work.  Then again, that is just a speculation on my part.  However, if you have "seen" multiple instances as your pluralised word suggests... you are hanging around with the wrong crowd or you work in an environment that is tighter than Dick's hatband.

...as you say, see you later.

So...
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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2018, 10:25:43 PM »
I was a government employee with a Secret Clearance.  That is all I can say about that.

I was once on Shore Patrol duty in the Navy. That is all I can say about that..

Did you and your little Navy ever happen to sail around the GREAT ice wall?  :)  Did you ever have to lock someone up for talking about the GREAT ice wall?  If you say "no"... obviously, you weren't cleared to know such information!  *chuckle*

I also had a Security Check and Security Clearance in my Specialty Rating  but I guess I wasn't high enough in rank or importance for me or the ships on which I served to permit a cruise to the ice wall.
I never heard about a flat earth or an ice wall when I was in the Navy. Most of the persons in the Navy I knew were reasonably sane.
I only "discovered" the flat earth and the ice walll on this website. Never heard of them anywhere else. LOL

PS . The earth, astronomy and everything else is a lot bigger than your little "flat earth."
It's so small you spell "flat earth" in lower case.

The fact that you would freely divulge your security clearance on an unsecure and dodgy forum that goes by 'flat earth', is good enough reason why they were right to keep things from you and didn't advance your clearance. Your clearance (if still active) could and should be revoked for such a breach.

You're fired!

That's ignorant.  Everyone also knows the president and a whole slew of other public figures have security clearances.  That does not make them a threat to national security.  :)   Having a clearance doesn't mean f*ckall.  Stating what you might have been read into... that's a different story.

You are not a public figure. I have seen peoples clearances revoked because they were 'bragging about it' to their mates. See ya later.

First off, you don't know that I am not a public figure so... that assertion is absent of any support.  And so you have seen people's clearances revoked for bragging about them to their mates.  Obviously then, they must have lost their jobs as well.  It's rather difficult to work in a restricted environment without a clearance.  Besides... it's the issue of being "read in" that matters.  You can have a clearance and never once see anything classified.  The clearance serves to say, "we checked you out".  Whether or not you get attached to a programme or project is another story. 

I suspect that what you think you saw was actually someone yammering about a particular programme of work.  Then again, that is just a speculation on my part.  However, if you have "seen" multiple instances as your pluralised word suggests... you are hanging around with the wrong crowd or you work in an environment that is tighter than Dick's hatband.

...as you say, see you later.

So...

Yes, they lost their jobs as well, no it was not 'yammering' Sometimes your very workplace is a 'need to know' as far as the public is concerned. Advertising its address, what you do, what level of clearance you have as well as what you can access (even on a general level) can have that workplace no longer recognize your clearance and report the breach to AGSVA (who does the checks) and they can rescind it as you have not proven to be a responsible holder of it. It's not just 'we checked him out'. You have certain responsibility as a holder of it and bragging about it is contrary to your obligations. It's for your own protection too. Last thing you want to do is attract unwanted attention. Some dickhead might think because you have a clearance, you have information that could be worth money to someone. So they kidnap you and beat the shit out of you to tell whatever you know. Or spies might befriend you to gain your trust and tell them things you shouldn't. The less people know the better

You have just told all the nutters here you have information. There is probably enough tid bits in your post history to doxx you. A desperate flat earther may come for you

But tell me, do you think someone processing pay slips in HR in a police headquarters would have intimate knowledge of under cover investigations and who is involved and what fake names etc are being used? Even if she held the same clearance level as the undercover agents, she would not know a clue what is going on. Why? She does not need to know. Your friends, even your family, probably don't need to know that you have a security clearance.


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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2018, 11:01:48 PM »
Yes, they lost their jobs as well, no it was not 'yammering' Sometimes your very workplace is a 'need to know' as far as the public is concerned. Advertising its address, what you do, what level of clearance you have as well as what you can access (even on a general level) can have that workplace no longer recognize your clearance and report the breach to AGSVA (who does the checks) and they can rescind it as you have not proven to be a responsible holder of it. It's not just 'we checked him out'. You have certain responsibility as a holder of it and bragging about it is contrary to your obligations. It's for your own protection too. Last thing you want to do is attract unwanted attention. Some dickhead might think because you have a clearance, you have information that could be worth money to someone. So they kidnap you and beat the shit out of you to tell whatever you know. Or spies might befriend you to gain your trust and tell them things you shouldn't. The less people know the better


Again... it's not the clearance.  It's having been "read into" a particular programme.  I don't know how it is for you in AU but, it is that way in the US.  You can watch documentary after documentary where people worked on programmes such as the Manhattan Project where they will talk about it to an extent yet, not really give away the farm.  However, you aren't seeing those people mugged, thrown into a black SUV, and carted off for an intense ass-whipping.  I'm a quite certain many of those people have far more secrets than I ever held close the vest. 

You have just told all the nutters here you have information. There is probably enough tid bits in your post history to doxx you. A desperate flat earther may come for you

Oh, so it's not just the mysterious "they" I have to worry about?  Is it now inclusive of potential FES nutters as well?  For that matter, if you get involved in a "road rage" incident with some nutter, it is also likely for them to become a potential threat to your security.  The world is full of nutters.  On this, I think we can agree.

But tell me, do you think someone processing pay slips in HR in a police headquarters would have intimate knowledge of under cover investigations and who is involved and what fake names etc are being used? Even if she held the same clearance level as the undercover agents, she would not know a clue what is going on. Why? She does not need to know. Your friends, even your family, probably don't need to know that you have a security clearance.

Yeah... when the "1810" shows up your family's door and begins asking questions, you can best believe they will be made aware of the reason for the line of questioning.  In fact, if you give a response toward someone's character, that person is entitled to see the response and know who gave it.  So, you can't just arbitrarily besmirch someone's character in the vetting process.  You can but, it won't be a sealed statement.

As far as a policing organisation littering their office with a person's information... It was quite common a few decades ago.  Today though, many of them have tried to clean that up.  I'm sure it still happens though.
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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2018, 05:22:12 AM »
You haven't destroyed any arguments. You claimed that Flat Earthers know about everything the government does and how they do it, when we've never claimed that. Then you all gave each other asspats.

Can you explain why you started to believe the flat earth?

I read the words of the great Tom Bishop and looked out my window.

So your belief has nothing to do with finding out the government is lying?

Nope, you realize the govt is lying after you find out the earth is flat.


So you're saying that the government tried so hard to keep the flat earth a secret, but they forgot you can just look out a window and realize that it's flat? Also, I can play your game too.

           I have never seen a Great White Shark, and when I go swimming, I don't  see any! So that means they don't exist, meaning that my parents are lying to me, because they are telling me they do exist! I mean, three HUNDRED  teeth in one mouth? That sounds so fake. WAIT! This also means that Discovery Channel is spreading lies using Shark Week! THEY JUST USE CGI!!!!

It's not that hard to act like something is a conspiracy.
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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2018, 05:47:22 AM »
You haven't destroyed any arguments. You claimed that Flat Earthers know about everything the government does and how they do it, when we've never claimed that. Then you all gave each other asspats.

Can you explain why you started to believe the flat earth?

I read the words of the great Tom Bishop and looked out my window.

Where you saw the sun and moon setting below the horizon, ships sinking over it, stars rotating around two celestial poles, and even on the clearest days you couldn't see anything further away than about ten miles.
Yeah, all things you'd expect to see out of your window on a flat earth, right?
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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2018, 06:53:18 AM »
I was a government employee with a Secret Clearance.  That is all I can say about that.
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First of all, sure you were. Second of all, why wouldn't the government try and stop you from telling people about the world's flatness?

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2018, 02:25:22 AM »

But tell me, do you think someone processing pay slips in HR in a police headquarters would have intimate knowledge of under cover investigations and who is involved and what fake names etc are being used?

Accounting does payroll, HR tells Mary to stop stealing Steve's lunch from the fridge.   ;D

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2018, 06:04:13 PM »
So what is the point of any of this?

The earth is still round.

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2018, 01:35:41 PM »
How do Flat Earthers know about everything the government is doing, and how they're doing it when not a single one is involved with the government?
http://www.psypost.org/2018/06/people-overestimate-political-knowledge-likely-believe-conspiracy-theories-51447

Dunning-Kruger effect.

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2018, 07:14:04 PM »
The question is "How do Flat Earthers know all of this?"

It is 100% obvious that Flat Earthers know all of this because such "knowledge" is necessary to maintain any idea of a flat earth.
So they are forced to either abandon their flat-earth or believe in a massive conspiracy.

Flat Earthers just assume they "know about everything the government is doing, and how they're doing it when not a single one is involved with the government".

And in the linked post I have tried to show how this conspiracy in explicitly depicted in their own Wiki:
Flat Earth General / Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this? « Message by rabinoz on June 01, 2018, 08:51:25 AM »

Of course many people other than flat-earthers believe in conspiracies and some are certainly genuine.
Many flat-earthers seem to believe in any conspiracy going with "jet planes run on air[1]", "chemtrails[2]", "9/11", and even "Sandy Hook Massacre" being common and of course "space exploration" and "Moon landing hoax" topping the list with 100% believing.

In closing this is one person's explanation for so many believing in conspiracies. 
Quote from: JEFFREY KLUGER
Why So Many People Believe Conspiracy Theories
William of Occam would have hated conspiracy theories. A 14th-century philosopher and Franciscan friar, William is celebrated for developing the “law of parsimony,” better known today as “Occam’s razor.” According to the razor principle, the simplest explanation for an event is almost always the best; shave away any extraneous assumptions, and what you’ve got left is usually the truth.

That’s not exactly the way conspiracy theorists think. Either Barack Obama was actually born in Hawaii, or an international plot unfolded over multiple decades to conceal his Kenyan birthplace and install him in the presidency. Either vaccines are safe and effective, or every major hospital and health organization in the world is covering up the fact that they actually cause autism. Never mind the razor — conspiracy theories are nothing but extraneous assumptions.
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“Conspiracy theories are for losers,” says Joseph Uscinski, associate professor of political science at the University of Miami and co-author of the 2014 book American Conspiracy Theories. Uscinski stresses that he uses the term literally, not pejoratively. “People who have lost an election, money or influence look for something to explain that loss.”
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Certainly, not all disgruntled members of the out-party believe or traffic in the prevailing conspiracy tales. A lot also depends on demographics, with belief in the theories generally inversely related to education and wealth. One survey showed that about 42% of people without a high school education believe in at least one conspiracy theory, compared to 23% of people with a post-graduate degree. A 2017 study found a household income average of $47,193 among people who were inclined to believe in conspiracy theories and $63,824 among those who weren’t.

“In this case, conspiracy theories can be like emotional poultices,” says Joseph Parent, a professor of political science at Notre Dame University and Uscinski’s co-author. “You don’t want to blame yourself for things you may lack, so you blame anonymous forces instead.”

From: Time, Why So Many People Believe Conspiracy Theories.

[1] See YouTube "More Proof!! Jet Aircraft CAN Run on Compressed Air! Part II, aplanetruth.info".
[2] What are Chemtrails and How Are They Harming Our Food and Water? By Ty Bollinger

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2018, 07:37:13 PM »
Shillinoz as I have told you before and you know very well. FE' s have broken the brainwashing system that is perpetually pushed and maintained by the likes of you. Our knowledge enables us to look past mainstream answers when it makes sense logically. We don't just follow the crowd to fit in.
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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2018, 08:31:01 PM »
Shillinoz as I have told you before and you know very well. FE' s have broken the brainwashing system that is perpetually pushed and maintained by the likes of you. Our knowledge enables us to look past mainstream answers when it makes sense logically. We don't just follow the crowd to fit in.
You might have told me, but that does not mean that I believe a word of what you say, so I do not know that very well.

You claim that all theses photos are fake, yet reasonably explain why Russia and the USA would come up with the same message.

There are thousands of photos of the earth, the moon and both in the same photo from space taken by satellites and other spacecraft of quite a number of countries.
A number of these countries have quite different political systems, yet these photos clearly show a spherical rotating earth.

I cannot see how all these photos of the globe can be fake without some conspiracy at the highest level by these very different governments.

We have photos of the Globe from at least the USA, Europe, Russia, India, China and Japan. It would take an unbelievable worldwide conspiracy for all these countries to be faking these photographs.
Here are a couple. The earth rotates very slowly, completing one revolution relative to the sun each 24 hours.
Here is a motion gif where one frame is is taken every hour:

Taken by NASA with DSCOVR EPIC.
             

Then there are the Himawari-8 Animations. Here is one:

Taken taken by the Japanese Himawari-8 satellite.
And then photos by USA, Russia and Japan:

DSCOVR EPIC 187_1003703_africa
   

Russian Satellite Photo (around midday) - December 2015
   

Himawari-8 20160705120000fd


And then there is this "earth rising" photo taken, not from Apollo 8 but taken by a Russian spacecraft:

Russian Zond 7 "Earth Rising"

Hence Flat-earthers must believe that there is a vast conspiracy against the flat earth.
Hoppy, the earth has been known to be almost perfectly spherical for over 2000 years, get used to it.
The early church certainly believed it.
Very committed Christians like the Venerable Bede, John Calvin and Martin Luther certainly believed the earth to be a Globe.
Quote from: The Venerable Bede
We call the earth a globe, not as if the shape of a sphere were expressed in the diversity of plains and mountains, but because, if all things are included in the outline, the earth’s circumference will represent the figure of a perfect globe. … For truly it is an orb placed in the centre of the universe; in its width it is like a circle, and not circular like a shield but rather like a ball, and it extends from its centre with perfect roundness on all sides.
<< from:  The flat earth myth. >>
And look at the introduction to John Calvin's Commentary on Genesis - Volume 1.
Quote from: John Calvin
Page 25,26:
We indeed are not ignorant, that the circuit of the heavens is finite, and that the earth, like a little globe, is placed in the center.

Page 55:
In the meantime, however, the benediction of God so prevails that the earth everywhere lies open that it may have its inhabitants, and that an immense multitude of men may find, in some part of the globe, their home.

Page 73:
From this difficulty, some would free themselves by saying, that the surface of the globe may have been changed by the deluge;

All from: Commentary on Genesis - Volume 1, Author: Calvin, John (1509-1564)
It would appear that John Calvin certainly believed the earth to be a Globe, as did most people of his day.
And in LUTHER ON THE CREATION, A CRITICAL AND DEVOTIONAL COMMENTARY ON GENESIS, Martin Luther leaves no doubt the he believed the Ptolemaic System with its spherical earth.

Still, hoppy,  I guess you think that your interpretation of the Scriptures is better than that of the Venerable Bede, Martin Luther and John Calvin. I claim no such expertise.

In closing,  you might read:
Quote from: Creation 16, no 2 (March 1994): 48-49
Who Invented the Flat Earth?

Evolutionists often falsely accuse creationists of believing in a flat Earth. But neither history nor modern scholarship supports the claim that Christians ever widely believed that the Earth was flat. And the Bible doesn’t teach it.
<< Read the rest in: Answers in Genesis, Who Invented the Flat Earth? >>
About the author: Author: Adapted by Ian Taylor for Creation Science Association of Ontario, Feature No. 30, from the book Inventing the Flat Earth: Columbus & Modern Historians (ISBN 027595904X), by history professor Jeffrey Burton Russell. Summarized by Paula McKerlie. Further modified March 2004.
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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2018, 08:59:17 PM »
I was a government employee with a Secret Clearance.  That is all I can say about that.

I was once on Shore Patrol duty in the Navy. That is all I can say about that..

Did you and your little Navy ever happen to sail around the GREAT ice wall?  :)  Did you ever have to lock someone up for talking about the GREAT ice wall?  If you say "no"... obviously, you weren't cleared to know such information!  *chuckle*

I also had a Security Check and Security Clearance in my Specialty Rating  but I guess I wasn't high enough in rank or importance for me or the ships on which I served to permit a cruise to the ice wall.
I never heard about a flat earth or an ice wall when I was in the Navy. Most of the persons in the Navy I knew were reasonably sane.
I only "discovered" the flat earth and the ice walll on this website. Never heard of them anywhere else. LOL

PS . The earth, astronomy and everything else is a lot bigger than your little "flat earth."
It's so small you spell "flat earth" in lower case.

The fact that you would freely divulge your security clearance on an unsecure and dodgy forum that goes by 'flat earth', is good enough reason why they were right to keep things from you and didn't advance your clearance. Your clearance (if still active) could and should be revoked for such a breach.

You're fired!

That's ignorant.  Everyone also knows the president and a whole slew of other public figures have security clearances.  That does not make them a threat to national security.  :)   Having a clearance doesn't mean f*ckall.  Stating what you might have been read into... that's a different story.

You are not a public figure. I have seen peoples clearances revoked because they were 'bragging about it' to their mates. See ya later.

Well, that about wraps you up Shifter.  This is about the most disingenuous claim I've come across.  Unless you worked in China, NK, or Russia, I highly - no - flatly reject the truth value of this statement.
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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2018, 06:18:04 AM »
I was a government employee with a Secret Clearance.  That is all I can say about that.

I was once on Shore Patrol duty in the Navy. That is all I can say about that..

Did you and your little Navy ever happen to sail around the GREAT ice wall?  :)  Did you ever have to lock someone up for talking about the GREAT ice wall?  If you say "no"... obviously, you weren't cleared to know such information!  *chuckle*

I also had a Security Check and Security Clearance in my Specialty Rating  but I guess I wasn't high enough in rank or importance for me or the ships on which I served to permit a cruise to the ice wall.
I never heard about a flat earth or an ice wall when I was in the Navy. Most of the persons in the Navy I knew were reasonably sane.
I only "discovered" the flat earth and the ice walll on this website. Never heard of them anywhere else. LOL

PS . The earth, astronomy and everything else is a lot bigger than your little "flat earth."
It's so small you spell "flat earth" in lower case.

The fact that you would freely divulge your security clearance on an unsecure and dodgy forum that goes by 'flat earth', is good enough reason why they were right to keep things from you and didn't advance your clearance. Your clearance (if still active) could and should be revoked for such a breach.

You're fired!

That's ignorant.  Everyone also knows the president and a whole slew of other public figures have security clearances.  That does not make them a threat to national security.  :)   Having a clearance doesn't mean f*ckall.  Stating what you might have been read into... that's a different story.

You are not a public figure. I have seen peoples clearances revoked because they were 'bragging about it' to their mates. See ya later.

Well, that about wraps you up Shifter.  This is about the most disingenuous claim I've come across.  Unless you worked in China, NK, or Russia, I highly - no - flatly reject the truth value of this statement.

If you worked in a spy agency like ASIO and were bragging about it to your mates at a pub, chances are you won't be working very long at ASIO. Lots of sensitive government agencies have their own 'in house' clearances to obtain in addition to the 'standard' one you have to get. If your not truthful about your past or omit information in your interview, even if not a big deal and they find out..... Gone!

They are also very cautious of shit they say in public areas on the work site for fear it is in ear shot of people that are not cleared. Even contractors who change a light bulb need clearance. Walking around can hear, see and even memorise floor plans.

About wraps you up sir for being the biggest ignorant here. Or perhaps your own country doesn't take security clearance seriously. Are you from America? I think their standards are far lower than Oz.

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #57 on: June 17, 2018, 10:05:28 AM »

You claim that all theses photos are fake, yet reasonably explain why Russia and the USA would come up with the same message.

Collusion.

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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #58 on: June 17, 2018, 01:32:51 PM »
Photos of the round earth are proof Trump is guilty!
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Re: How do Flat Earthers know all of this?
« Reply #59 on: June 17, 2018, 03:54:57 PM »

You claim that all these photos are fake, yet reasonably explain why Russia and the USA would come up with the same message.

Collusion.
Collusion = Conspiracy