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Big N

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« on: January 04, 2007, 10:16:13 AM »
I've tried to give as much proof as I can of a round earth, yet it all gets dismissed or ignored.

I tried to prove that the distance of the stars can be measured using geometry and trigonometry (Bad Astronomy) and, combined with the fact that you notice different star patterns on different locations on the globe, this proves that the world is round. However, only one flat-earther dared to try to reply. It's especially amusing to note that there are, at the time of writing, 132 views of the thread, but only one reply from a flat-earther.
- The Stars can be Measured, and Different Star Patterns are Observed Throughout the World: Ignored
What I Learned - Flat earthers are readily willing to believe in a flat earth, but are not readily willing to spend time trying to prove it.

I tried to prove that the earth rotates by using Foucault's pendulum (The earth rotates - Foucault's pendulum
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- Foucault pendulums rotate in a highly predictable and repeatable manner - dismissed as nonconclusive despite ubiquitous evidence to the contrary, or overly complicated with the addition of ether winds
What I learned - Flat earthers will negate evidence that is witnessed right in front of them, or they will further complicate existing theories to make it fit their own.
*p.s. - for an explanation on ether wind, go here

I tried to prove that the earth is round by presenting p waves and earthquakes to the flat earthers (The earth is round - earthquakes and the p waves they cause). The fact is that whenever an earthquake happens, it sends two types of waves: s waves that go across the surface of the earth, and p waves that go through the center of the earth. P waves can be measured and, in the case of earthquakes strong enough, felt on the other side of the world. The flat earth theory can not explain this at all. Again, this thread was completely ignored by the flat earthers. As of the time of this writing, it had 60 views, but not one reply from a flat earther.
- Earthquakes can be felt on the opposite side of the earth - Completely ignored
What I learned - Flat earthers will ignore facts that are presented to them that disprove a flat earth.

I tried to prove that the earth does not wobble on the level required to create seasons because the North Pole always points to Polaris. The flat earthers actually impressed me on this one. The earth, in fact, does not wobble on the level required to create seasons in the flat earth theory, because it is actually the varying distance of the sun that causes this.
- The earth does not wobble - misinterpreted by me
What I learned - there are parts of the flat earth theory that have been thought out some

That does not, however, mean that the first 3 points don't mean anything. The fact is, flat earthers are willing to believe in a flat earth without experimenting, and with far less evidence than there is for a round earth. It's completely ignorant.

The least a flat earther could do is admit that there is just as much chance of there being a round earth as there is of a flat earth. This is because no experiment to them is sufficient enough to prove either theory right or wrong. There is also just as much a chance of FET being a conspiracy as RET. No one here has given any proof that they aren't trying to mislead non-believers in FET. Like with midguard posting pictures of glaciers and claiming that they expand forever. Do a google images search for glacier, and you'll find hundreds of pictures of ice walls/glaciers. People like him are purposely trying to mislead us. Just makes me wonder, who else?

Maybe when I go to college and learn more about physics, I can come back here and brings some other proofs, but for now I'm just going to enjoy my last semester of high school instead of wasting time here.

Hasta la pasta,
Big N
It's quite remarkable really that both Israel and Palestine have no qualms about slaughtering the crap out of each other - but they are perfectly willing to work together jovially and hide a secret that wouldn't make much difference to the world. -rdethgy

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earthisflat12

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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2007, 06:43:51 PM »
i doubt any of thats true.  stop beliving anything your told.  to be quite honest...i didnt even read any

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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2007, 06:54:08 PM »
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i doubt any of thats true.  stop beliving anything your told.  to be quite honest...i didnt even read any

Like any FEer.
arth is spheric.

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2007, 07:07:35 PM »
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i doubt any of thats true. stop beliving anything your told. to be quite honest...i didnt even read any


uhhhh its so hard to comprehend the round earth omggggg. its to confushering i dont wana even try to understand i probably woulndt .

ALERT!!!!: YOU ARE A DIPSHIT
he kinds of equations that they have now are the kinds of equations you would get in an approximation scheme to some underlying theory, but nobody knows what the underlying theory is.

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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2007, 07:14:38 PM »
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uhhhh its so hard to comprehend the round earth omggggg. its to confushering i dont wana even try to understand i probably woulndt .

ALERT!!!!: YOU ARE A DIPSHIT

Man, how can the Round Earthers lose with extremely intelligent people such as yourself, rofl, and yop on their side?

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sodapop112

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2007, 07:23:14 PM »
it is nearly impossible for us to lose with people like engineer on their side.
he kinds of equations that they have now are the kinds of equations you would get in an approximation scheme to some underlying theory, but nobody knows what the underlying theory is.

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TheEngineer

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2007, 09:04:45 PM »
Ouch, my feelings.


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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2007, 09:17:14 PM »
Another great topic Big N.

Don't feel bad. Denial is a wall that logic cannot climb.

Once again, the only replies by FEers do not actually adress the topic.
atttttttup was right when he said joseph bloom is right, The Engineer is a douchebag.

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Mr. Smammi

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2007, 09:23:14 PM »
Yes, it would please me to view comments made by Flat-Earthers that actually relate to this topic.
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You will submit.

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CapsAdmin

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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2007, 11:43:50 PM »
I think all these flat earth believers are believing that the earth is flat just to be special. Or something like it.

That's my view at this whole thing.

Also, ignoring things that disprove the fact that the earth is flat is ridiculous, childish, and.. yeah.


I believe that the earth is round and the FE'ers believe that it is round as well.

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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2007, 12:22:47 AM »
Quote from: "Big N"
What I Learned - Flat earthers are readily willing to believe in a flat earth,

Who is?

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but are not readily willing to spend time trying to prove it.

Yes, THAT'S why this whole forum site is up here in the first place, so we can sit around and NOT try to prove the theory.




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What I learned - Flat earthers will negate evidence that is witnessed right in front of them, or they will further complicate existing theories to make it fit their own.

Complicate theories? The Faucault Pendulums were complicated in the first place. We only deny evidence from experiments when the experiments were so obviously biased. I mean, really, if everyone's expecting the exact same result, how can you be sure that (unintentionally or otherwise), the results aren't manipulated at all? That's why the zetetic approach is far better; you get no biases, and thus none of the experiments run near as much risk of human error.






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What I learned - Flat earthers will ignore facts that are presented to them that disprove a flat earth.

You mean to tell me that Round Earthers don't?


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What I learned - there are parts of the flat earth theory that have been thought out some

Plenty, I assure you.


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The least a flat earther could do is admit that there is just as much chance of there being a round earth as there is of a flat earth.

I'm quite sure that's precisely what a lot of us are going for.


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This is because no experiment to them is sufficient enough to prove either theory right or wrong. There is also just as much a chance of FET being a conspiracy as RET. No one here has given any proof that they aren't trying to mislead non-believers in FET. Like with midguard posting pictures of glaciers and claiming that they expand forever. Do a google images search for glacier, and you'll find hundreds of pictures of ice walls/glaciers. People like him are purposely trying to mislead us. Just makes me wonder, who else?


You have to take some of our posts as jokes (actually you can really take all of Midgard's posts as jokes), seeing as a lot of people here are sarcastic asses (myself included). In other cases, you have to look beyond the face value of what we're saying and look into how they relate to the whole of both theories (my trip to the ice wall, for instance, is not entirely meant to prove the existence of one thing but rather to discredit another), rather than just the "point" being made, which may or may not be entirely ridiculous.

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Big N

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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2007, 11:00:21 AM »
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but are not readily willing to spend time trying to prove it.

Yes, THAT'S why this whole forum site is up here in the first place, so we can sit around and NOT try to prove the theory.


Discussion alone is not going to prove anything. Anyone can sit back at their computer and make up evidence that proves a flat earth. But unless you do some experiments to prove there is a flat earth, you have accomplished absolutely zilch. From a philosophical standpoint, it looks like you guys are using Rene Descartes' way of learning - rationalism. Well, rational, innate thought has its limits when trying to learn about a physical universe. There must be empirical evidence as well; empirical evidence that the Flat Earth Society has never brought to the table.

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What I learned - Flat earthers will negate evidence that is witnessed right in front of them, or they will further complicate existing theories to make it fit their own.

Complicate theories? The Faucault Pendulums were complicated in the first place. We only deny evidence from experiments when the experiments were so obviously biased. I mean, really, if everyone's expecting the exact same result, how can you be sure that (unintentionally or otherwise), the results aren't manipulated at all? That's why the zetetic approach is far better; you get no biases, and thus none of the experiments run near as much risk of human error.


Faucault pendulums are not complicated at all. They are nothing more than large pendulums. A pendulums is made of a vertical beam, with a horizontal beam across the top, and something heavy swinging from the horizontal column. There is absolutely nothing complicated about that, so stop with the bull. And your whole argument that the Foucault pendulum is biased is yet another example half-assed flat-earth logic. If you want, go to an observatory and look at a Foucault pendulum for a couple days, or weeks, or months. Then go to another observatory and watch their pendulum go. Then keep going to other observatories until your satisfied that there is no human manipulation. There are Foucault pendulums in observatories all around the world that are swinging back and forth at this very moment with hundreds of people witnessing them. Go to a couple.

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What I learned - Flat earthers will ignore facts that are presented to them that disprove a flat earth.

You mean to tell me that Round Earthers don't?


Give me an example.
It's quite remarkable really that both Israel and Palestine have no qualms about slaughtering the crap out of each other - but they are perfectly willing to work together jovially and hide a secret that wouldn't make much difference to the world. -rdethgy

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Big N

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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2007, 05:09:36 PM »
3 weeks and no reply? How disheartening.
It's quite remarkable really that both Israel and Palestine have no qualms about slaughtering the crap out of each other - but they are perfectly willing to work together jovially and hide a secret that wouldn't make much difference to the world. -rdethgy

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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2007, 06:02:48 PM »
true scientists..

DO Not set forth to PROVE or disprove ANYTHING..


thats why people like Al Gore... are nto scientists.
HE believes in Global Warming.,,

and ignores all evdience that does not support his Agenda

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GeoGuy

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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2007, 06:35:58 PM »
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thats why people like Al Gore... are nto scientists.
HE believes in Global Warming.,,

and ignores all evdience that does not support his Agenda

Whatevs. His film still got a lot of people talking about AGW, which is definitely a good thing.

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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2007, 11:36:15 PM »
Quote from: "Big N"
Discussion alone is not going to prove anything. Anyone can sit back at their computer and make up evidence that proves a flat earth. But unless you do some experiments to prove there is a flat earth, you have accomplished absolutely zilch. From a philosophical standpoint, it looks like you guys are using Rene Descartes' way of learning - rationalism. Well, rational, innate thought has its limits when trying to learn about a physical universe. There must be empirical evidence as well; empirical evidence that the Flat Earth Society has never brought to the table.

Plenty of people are going out and trying to prove things. Lord Byron (and all of his aliases) has written tons of essays on the proof he's found for the flat Earth theory in the Flat Earth Believers section and we have a whole repository for information, in case you didn't notice.

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Faucault pendulums are not complicated at all. They are nothing more than large pendulums. A pendulums is made of a vertical beam, with a horizontal beam across the top, and something heavy swinging from the horizontal column. There is absolutely nothing complicated about that, so stop with the bull. And your whole argument that the Foucault pendulum is biased is yet another example half-assed flat-earth logic. If you want, go to an observatory and look at a Foucault pendulum for a couple days, or weeks, or months. Then go to another observatory and watch their pendulum go. Then keep going to other observatories until your satisfied that there is no human manipulation. There are Foucault pendulums in observatories all around the world that are swinging back and forth at this very moment with hundreds of people witnessing them. Go to a couple.

There are so many other factors that can play into the pendulum. The smallest bit of air pressure difference, for example, could provoke the pendulum just ever so slightly, and you have a pendulum that moves differently.

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Give me an example.


The flat-looking horizon, gravity, Samuel Rowbotham's book.

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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2007, 01:52:37 AM »
I see the flat earthers have not responded. What a suprise. :roll:
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2007, 08:40:29 AM »
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I see the flat earthers have not responded. What a suprise. :roll:


Can you even seee the post above yours??

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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2007, 02:27:57 PM »
I see the flat earthers are igoring this thread. We have pwned them.
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Rick_James

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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2007, 02:34:46 PM »
a) you havent done anything.
b) D Draw answered the post above, so no "pwning" has yet happened.

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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2007, 03:25:02 PM »
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pwned


I know this is off topic.  I'm not very hip, but what does the above quoted string of characters mean?  Pawned?  Maybe it's just me, but isn't that what one does with the tires stolen off an ex-girlfriends car?  

In that case, maybe I'm not very far off topic.

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GeoGuy

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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2007, 03:29:41 PM »
Your explanation makes no sense.

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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2007, 03:31:49 PM »
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Your explanation makes no sense.


Neither does yours of why the earth is flat

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GeoGuy

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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2007, 03:33:46 PM »
Ouch.

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Jim Rome

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2007, 03:50:30 PM »
You have been OWNED by Jim Rome.

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dantheman40k

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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2007, 12:06:49 PM »
And the flat earthers have continued to ignore this thread.
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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2007, 12:07:41 PM »
The questions in this thread are answered on a weekly basis. Do a search.

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dantheman40k

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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2007, 12:24:41 PM »
Quote from: "Tom Bishop"
The questions in this thread are answered on a weekly basis. Do a search.


I have seen no answers.
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« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2007, 05:03:40 PM »
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Quote from: "Big N"
Discussion alone is not going to prove anything. Anyone can sit back at their computer and make up evidence that proves a flat earth. But unless you do some experiments to prove there is a flat earth, you have accomplished absolutely zilch. From a philosophical standpoint, it looks like you guys are using Rene Descartes' way of learning - rationalism. Well, rational, innate thought has its limits when trying to learn about a physical universe. There must be empirical evidence as well; empirical evidence that the Flat Earth Society has never brought to the table.

Plenty of people are going out and trying to prove things. Lord Byron (and all of his aliases) has written tons of essays on the proof he's found for the flat Earth theory in the Flat Earth Believers section and we have a whole repository for information, in case you didn't notice.

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Faucault pendulums are not complicated at all. They are nothing more than large pendulums. A pendulums is made of a vertical beam, with a horizontal beam across the top, and something heavy swinging from the horizontal column. There is absolutely nothing complicated about that, so stop with the bull. And your whole argument that the Foucault pendulum is biased is yet another example half-assed flat-earth logic. If you want, go to an observatory and look at a Foucault pendulum for a couple days, or weeks, or months. Then go to another observatory and watch their pendulum go. Then keep going to other observatories until your satisfied that there is no human manipulation. There are Foucault pendulums in observatories all around the world that are swinging back and forth at this very moment with hundreds of people witnessing them. Go to a couple.

There are so many other factors that can play into the pendulum. The smallest bit of air pressure difference, for example, could provoke the pendulum just ever so slightly, and you have a pendulum that moves differently.

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Give me an example.


The flat-looking horizon, gravity, Samuel Rowbotham's book.

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« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2007, 08:33:33 PM »
This thread is amusing - balancing upon the line between "General Discussion" and "Angry Ranting".