Undeniable proof

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TheTruthfulZorrp

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Undeniable proof
« on: May 12, 2018, 04:56:46 PM »
I feel like, as a rational individual, that one piece of evidence is constantly overlooked that truly supports the flearth theory.

Yes, those skeptic fools may try to use logic and numbers to make us look like we're the idiots, but I have now gotten us the golden bullet, the only arguement that can't possibly claw their way through with facts.

Pogo sticks.

Think about it.

If the earth was a ball or a donut or whatever these idiots choose to believe, then how come when you bounce on a pogo stick you head straight up? No curve, no movement.

You go straight up and straight down.

I would love to hear your guys feedback on this, and before you guys doubt me, I am not a troll. Just after a genuine discussion on pogo related issues and I look forward to hearing back from you all.

I would say keep on rolling, but as we're not on some magic ball in space that's not possible.

Take care,
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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2018, 05:08:56 PM »
I feel like, as a rational individual, that one piece of evidence is constantly overlooked that truly supports the flearth theory.

Yes, those skeptic fools may try to use logic and numbers to make us look like we're the idiots, but I have now gotten us the golden bullet, the only arguement that can't possibly claw their way through with facts.

Pogo sticks.

Think about it.

If the earth was a ball or a donut or whatever these idiots choose to believe, then how come when you bounce on a pogo stick you head straight up? No curve, no movement.

You go straight up and straight down.

I would love to hear your guys feedback on this, and before you guys doubt me, I am not a troll. Just after a genuine discussion on pogo related issues and I look forward to hearing back from you all.

I would say keep on rolling, but as we're not on some magic ball in space that's not possible.

Take care,
TTZ
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I've rarely seen anyone with the skill to bounce consistently vertically on a pogo stick. Usually the rider is bouncing wildly from side to side to maintain balance.

If anyone has the interest to search (I don't), please provide YouTube video of a rider performing 20 perfectly vertical bounces on a pogo.

Like most examples given here, all resides in the imagination, not in reality.

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NotSoSkeptical

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2018, 05:13:41 PM »
Besides the fact that a pogo stick is lopsided and doesn't bounce straight up and down.

Conservation of Momentum.

Same reason you can go inside a train car and while it is moving at a constant speed, jump straight up and land in the same spot you were standing at.
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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2018, 08:41:54 PM »
The globe is really big.


Got any more "golden bullets"?
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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2018, 08:47:49 PM »
I feel like, as a rational individual, that one piece of evidence is constantly overlooked that truly supports the flearth theory.

Yes, those skeptic fools may try to use logic and numbers to make us look like we're the idiots, but I have now gotten us the golden bullet, the only arguement that can't possibly claw their way through with facts.

Pogo sticks.

Think about it.

If the earth was a ball or a donut or whatever these idiots choose to believe, then how come when you bounce on a pogo stick you head straight up? No curve, no movement.

You go straight up and straight down.

I would love to hear your guys feedback on this, and before you guys doubt me, I am not a troll. Just after a genuine discussion on pogo related issues and I look forward to hearing back from you all.

I would say keep on rolling, but as we're not on some magic ball in space that's not possible.

Take care,
TTZ
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For you to come to that conclusion, your understanding of gravity is flawed.
pogo stick on the first bounce you would keep on going with out gravity, but with gravity you return to the ground.
The the universe has no obligation to makes sense to you.
The earth is a globe.

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2018, 10:08:43 AM »
Why is it that FEs reason that if the Earth was rotating and you jumped up, you would instantly lose all of your momentum while the Earth continued to move beneath you.  Didn't you learn anything in high school physics?

Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2018, 10:32:24 AM »
Why is it that FEs reason that if the Earth was rotating and you jumped up, you would instantly lose all of your momentum while the Earth continued to move beneath you.  Didn't you learn anything in high school physics?

Since indoctrination into a false world view by those in authority is a touchstone of FE, referencing high school physics plays straight into the conspiracy story.

It is surprising that they appear to have no experience manipulating objects that are moving. Ever.


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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2018, 11:28:25 AM »
Ah, momentum, dear momentum. You are the force I was looking for in the last thread and then, I said Inertia, even though it was momentum. Momentum is literally something FES should ban, like gravity or ''fish-eye cameras''.
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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2018, 07:27:18 AM »
Going to go out and say that you are right. We actually do move west when we jump. Just its movement is so slight that it makes no difference to a human. If however, you shot a rocket, inclusive of the effects of the atmosphere, the rocket will land west of launch site. The idea can be explained with momentum as other have mentioned of similarly with relativity. Technically, in a closed system within earth the earth spins at approximately 460m/s. You are also spinning at 460m/s. It is just from your reference point you think that you are stationary. However, no one is ever truly stationary, its next to impossible. Then, once you jump the effects of the atmosphere around you, most commonly known as air resistance drops that speed by a tiny amount. You don't feel it, but it does actually move you west. Your undeniable proof is right, ill give you that. Just you pointed at the wrong cause.

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2018, 02:02:34 PM »
Then, once you jump the effects of the atmosphere around you, most commonly known as air resistance drops that speed by a tiny amount.
No it doesn't.
That is because the atmosphere is spinning with Earth.
The actual reason is much simpler and works in a vacuum.
As you jump the path you need to follow to continue following Earth grows larger. Your 460 m/s is no longer enough to keep you moving with Earth and you lag behind.
But the amount is tiny and your inability to jump straight up causes more error.

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2018, 08:50:28 PM »
OP made every sentence its own paragraph.  Who else do we know that does that

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Dirk

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2018, 10:30:13 AM »
OP made every sentence its own paragraph.  Who else do we know that does that
Hm, and for the second post, there are several insults in it.

And this “straight up” and “straight down” and “golden bullet” has a certain ring to it.

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rabinoz

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2018, 11:51:37 PM »
I feel like, as a rational individual, that one piece of evidence is constantly overlooked that truly supports the flearth theory.

Yes, those skeptic fools may try to use logic and numbers to make us look like we're the idiots, but I have now gotten us the golden bullet, the only argument that can't possibly claw their way through with facts.

Pogo sticks.

Think about it.

Yup, I've thought about it and have to ask this question before spending time on a detailed scientific answer:
Do you expect us to believe that a 29-year-old who jumps around on pogo sticks and claims he "feels like, as a rational individual" really is "like, a rational individual"?
I'm told (by a questionable authority) that the exact formula for the lateral deflection of a vertically fired projectile is .
There is an analysis of this in Deflection of a Projectile due to the Earth’s Rotation, it's result is in a slightly different form, with the projectile landing (4ωV3cos λ)/(3g2)) due West of the launch point.

I haven't checked if they are equivalent, but I'd hazard a guess that unless you can launch yourself at least a kilometre or so precisely vertically you won't learn anything.

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2018, 01:02:04 AM »
This is utterly retarded. If you're travelling in a train and you hurl a ball straight up, the ball isn't going to fly backwards. That's because the ball is moving relative to the train.

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totallackey

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2018, 05:33:41 AM »
All horseshit...

Baumgartner landed east of his liftoff point...

So did his capsule.

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2018, 08:08:15 AM »
I feel like, as a rational individual, that one piece of evidence is constantly overlooked that truly supports the flearth theory.

Yes, those skeptic fools may try to use logic and numbers to make us look like we're the idiots, but I have now gotten us the golden bullet, the only arguement that can't possibly claw their way through with facts.

Pogo sticks.

Think about it.

If the earth was a ball or a donut or whatever these idiots choose to believe, then how come when you bounce on a pogo stick you head straight up? No curve, no movement.

You go straight up and straight down.

I would love to hear your guys feedback on this, and before you guys doubt me, I am not a troll. Just after a genuine discussion on pogo related issues and I look forward to hearing back from you all.

I would say keep on rolling, but as we're not on some magic ball in space that's not possible.

Take care,
TTZ
X
if you truly believe your statement, then why do you claim that you are not a troll?

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2018, 10:31:57 AM »
All horseshit...

Baumgartner landed east of his liftoff point...

So did his capsule.

He went straight up. The Earth moved under him and he came straight down.

Winds and air currents had absolutely no effect on his capsule.

Riiight.

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JackBlack

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2018, 02:39:39 PM »
All horseshit...

Baumgartner landed east of his liftoff point...

So did his capsule.
Your point?
It's not like he was just thrown up.
Ever heard of things like wind?

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Alpha2Omega

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2018, 05:01:56 PM »
I'm told (by a questionable authority) that the exact formula for the lateral deflection of a vertically fired projectile is .
There is an analysis of this in Deflection of a Projectile due to the Earth’s Rotation, it's result is in a slightly different form, with the projectile landing (4ωV3cos λ)/(3g2)) due West of the launch point.

I haven't checked if they are equivalent, but I'd hazard a guess that unless you can launch yourself at least a kilometre or so precisely vertically you won't learn anything.

Yep. Assuming V is muzzle velocity, λ is latitude, and ω (omega) is the rotation rate of earth (2 pi / TE)  (full rotation / time to make full rotation), they resolve to the same thing.

The key is knowing that tf in the first formula is the total time in flight (upward and downward), that is:

tf = tu + td

Since, ideally, tu = td, then tu = tf / 2.

The general form for velocity of an object under constant acceleration, a, for time t, is

Vt = V0 + a t

where Vt is the velocity after being accelerated for time t, and V0 is the velocity it had when t = 0.

Since we're using upward velocity, but the acceleration is the downward acceleration of gravity, then a = -g. So,

Vt = V0 - g t

At the end of the upward flight t = tu, and Vt is zero (it's stopped going up and is about to start falling, so its upward velocity is 0)

0 = V0 - g tu

V0 = g tu

Recall the second form of the formula is

(4 ω V3 cos λ) / (3 g2)

Substituting 2 pi / TE for ω (rotation rate), and our V0 for V (muzzle velocity), we get

4 (2 pi / TE) (g tu)3 cos λ / (3g2)
 = 8 pi (g tu)3 cos λ / (3 g2 TE)
 = 8 pi g3 tu3 cos λ / (3 g2  TE)
 = 8 pi g tu3 cos λ / (3 TE)

Since tu = tf / 2,

 = 8 pi g (tf / 2)3 cos λ / (3 TE)

(1/2)3 = 1/8, so

 = 8 pi g (tf3 / 8 )  cos λ / (3 TE)
 = pi g tf3 cos λ / (3 TE)



Q.E.D.

They're the same.


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Cinnamon buns

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2018, 05:59:16 AM »
OK. Guys, let's calm down with the information overload.
No hate

WTF IS THIS.
I have last fucked a fetö agent to death,

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Alpha2Omega

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2018, 01:53:23 PM »
Sorry...  :-\

I was curious, and wanted to share what I found in enough detail to make it easy for someone to follow the steps even if his algebra was rusty.
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rabinoz

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2018, 08:21:56 PM »
Sorry...  :-\

I was curious, and wanted to share what I found in enough detail to make it easy for someone to follow the steps even if his algebra was rusty.
Thanks, saves me the bother. Maybe now cikljamas, the  ;) questionable authority ;), can actually some sums and see if he can prove that the earth is stationary.

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2018, 08:46:20 PM »
Hey Rab, tell me again why I'm wrong about the whole non-euclidean thing.
IIf you can't afrgue bot ssides, you undwerstand neither

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2018, 10:53:15 PM »

If the earth was a ball or a donut or whatever these idiots choose to believe, then how come when you bounce on a pogo stick you head straight up? No curve, no movement.

You go straight up and straight down.



If you are in the passenger seat of a car travelling at 100mph and you throw a tennis ball up, does it immediately smash into your face or does it generally fall back into your hand?  As the earth rotates, you are travelling with the rotation of the earth.  Jumping into the air with a pogo stick will yield same results as those you would observe if you tossed a tennis ball up while in a moving vehicle.  Incidentally, it neither proves nor disproves rotation.
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totallackey

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2018, 07:08:19 AM »
All horseshit...

Baumgartner landed east of his liftoff point...

So did his capsule.

He went straight up. The Earth moved under him and he came straight down.

Winds and air currents had absolutely no effect on his capsule.

Riiight.
If the earth moved then he would have landed WEST of takeoff you dipshit.

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2018, 07:32:37 AM »
I feel like, as a rational individual, that one piece of evidence is constantly overlooked that truly supports the flearth theory.

Yes, those skeptic fools may try to use logic and numbers to make us look like we're the idiots, but I have now gotten us the golden bullet, the only arguement that can't possibly claw their way through with facts.

Pogo sticks.

Think about it.

If the earth was a ball or a donut or whatever these idiots choose to believe, then how come when you bounce on a pogo stick you head straight up? No curve, no movement.

You go straight up and straight down.

I would love to hear your guys feedback on this, and before you guys doubt me, I am not a troll. Just after a genuine discussion on pogo related issues and I look forward to hearing back from you all.

I would say keep on rolling, but as we're not on some magic ball in space that's not possible.

Take care,
TTZ
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Is there anybody serious on this site? And I also think people are giving ThTruthfulZorrp more credit than he deserves, he is saying that since the earth is curved, the pogo stick shouldn't go straight up, it should go to the side a little. He isn't arguing that it should go back a little because of rotation.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2018, 07:36:46 AM by Billy Mays »

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2018, 07:35:34 AM »
All horseshit...

Baumgartner landed east of his liftoff point...

So did his capsule.

He went straight up. The Earth moved under him and he came straight down.

Winds and air currents had absolutely no effect on his capsule.

Riiight.
If the earth moved then he would have landed WEST of takeoff you dipshit.
Wind doesn’t exist anymore?

Blenders do not work anymore?
ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER

It's no slur if it's fact.

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totallackey

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2018, 07:40:14 AM »
All horseshit...

Baumgartner landed east of his liftoff point...

So did his capsule.

He went straight up. The Earth moved under him and he came straight down.

Winds and air currents had absolutely no effect on his capsule.

Riiight.
If the earth moved then he would have landed WEST of takeoff you dipshit.
Wind doesn’t exist anymore?

Blenders do not work anymore?
What is wrong with you short bus rider types?

Short bus rider types believe in a wind that can overcome an 800 mph rotation...
« Last Edit: May 30, 2018, 07:42:47 AM by totallackey »

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2018, 10:52:06 AM »
You can pogo stick vertically on the earth for the same reason you can pogo stick vertically in a fast moving train or airliner.

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Re: Undeniable proof
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2018, 12:29:41 PM »
You can pogo stick vertically on the earth for the same reason you can pogo stick vertically in a fast moving train or airliner.

Exactly  :)
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