How birds fly and defeating the gravity

If Gravity exists How birds can fly and easily without power motors??
Please don’t explain the birds biomechanics but explain it from the gravity point of view
I’m Waiting logic/scientific answers

You can’t answer your question without taking into account biomechanics and physics. You wouldn’t dismiss the fact a rock has been thrown if explaining its parabolic arc into the air.

so I’ll answer with a question: why should birds have to fly if gravity doesn’t exist?

Birds are light, they have wings.

You can’t answer your question without taking into account biomechanics and physics. You wouldn’t dismiss the fact a rock has been thrown if explaining its parabolic arc into the air.

so I’ll answer with a question: why should birds have to fly if gravity doesn’t exist?

Because its their nature I think!

Birds are light, they have wings.

Same Like Fish can breath underwater 😁

If Gravity exists How birds can fly and easily without power motors??
Please don’t explain the birds biomechanics but explain it from the gravity point of view
I’m Waiting logic/scientific answers

You know how a fan pushes air right, it redirects it with its blades. The bird does the same thing pushing down the air so that it itself will rise.

Compare it with swimming, just in the air where you need more speed.

You have probably heard the saying in physics, that every action has an opposite and equal reaction. The bullet firing from a gun pushes just as hard on the gun firing it.

Quote from: FaKaN on April 27, 2018, 01:38:27 AM

If Gravity exists How birds can fly and easily without power motors??
Please don’t explain the birds biomechanics but explain it from the gravity point of view
I’m Waiting logic/scientific answers

You know how a fan pushes air right, it redirects it with its blades. The bird does the same thing pushing down the air so that it itself will rise.

Compare it with swimming, just in the air where you need more speed.

You have probably heard the saying in physics, that every action has an opposite and equal reaction. The bullet firing from a gun pushes just as hard on the gun firing it.

Thanks, but where is the gravity rule here? and there are many birds floating on the air without doing any action (just float)

If Gravity exists How birds can fly and easily without power motors??
Please don’t explain the birds biomechanics but explain it from the gravity point of view
I’m Waiting logic/scientific answers

Why do you need power motors? I'm confused. The bird's muscles acts as "power motor."

Quote from: FaKaN on April 27, 2018, 01:38:27 AM

If Gravity exists How birds can fly and easily without power motors??
Please don’t explain the birds biomechanics but explain it from the gravity point of view
I’m Waiting logic/scientific answers

Why do you need power motors? I'm confused. The bird's muscles acts as "power motor."

So a small muscles can defeat the Gravity? Really I’m wondering and try to understand or get answers

Quote from: Lamaface on April 27, 2018, 01:43:42 AM

You can’t answer your question without taking into account biomechanics and physics. You wouldn’t dismiss the fact a rock has been thrown if explaining its parabolic arc into the air.

so I’ll answer with a question: why should birds have to fly if gravity doesn’t exist?

Because its their nature I think!

You're absolutely right, it's indeed their nature. Evolution has made these creatures able to overcome gravity by applying an equal or greater force to it by flapping their wings up & down.

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on April 27, 2018, 02:15:43 AM

Quote from: FaKaN on April 27, 2018, 01:38:27 AM

If Gravity exists How birds can fly and easily without power motors??
Please don’t explain the birds biomechanics but explain it from the gravity point of view
I’m Waiting logic/scientific answers

Why do you need power motors? I'm confused. The bird's muscles acts as "power motor."

So a small muscles can defeat the Gravity? Really I’m wondering and try to understand or get answers

Yeah. Small muscles on a small body with the combination of forces like lift and aerodynamics.

Quote from: FaKaN on April 27, 2018, 01:57:51 AM

Quote from: Lamaface on April 27, 2018, 01:43:42 AM

You can’t answer your question without taking into account biomechanics and physics. You wouldn’t dismiss the fact a rock has been thrown if explaining its parabolic arc into the air.

so I’ll answer with a question: why should birds have to fly if gravity doesn’t exist?

Because its their nature I think!

You're absolutely right, it's indeed their nature. Evolution has made these creatures able to overcome gravity by applying an equal or greater force to it by flapping their wings up & down.

You mean God not Evolution?😁

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on April 27, 2018, 02:15:43 AM

Quote from: FaKaN on April 27, 2018, 01:38:27 AM

If Gravity exists How birds can fly and easily without power motors??
Please don’t explain the birds biomechanics but explain it from the gravity point of view
I’m Waiting logic/scientific answers

Why do you need power motors? I'm confused. The bird's muscles acts as "power motor."

So a small muscles can defeat the Gravity? Really I’m wondering and try to understand or get answers

It's not hard to defy gravity at all. Pick up a rock ... congratulations, you did it.

Quote from: Lamaface on April 27, 2018, 02:27:45 AM

Quote from: FaKaN on April 27, 2018, 01:57:51 AM

Quote from: Lamaface on April 27, 2018, 01:43:42 AM

You can’t answer your question without taking into account biomechanics and physics. You wouldn’t dismiss the fact a rock has been thrown if explaining its parabolic arc into the air.

so I’ll answer with a question: why should birds have to fly if gravity doesn’t exist?

Because its their nature I think!

You're absolutely right, it's indeed their nature. Evolution has made these creatures able to overcome gravity by applying an equal or greater force to it by flapping their wings up & down.

You mean God not Evolution?😁

No, I mean evolution. If you choose to believe your god made all this ... then by all means, believe away.

Quote from: SphericalEarther on April 27, 2018, 02:09:38 AM

Quote from: FaKaN on April 27, 2018, 01:38:27 AM

If Gravity exists How birds can fly and easily without power motors??
Please don’t explain the birds biomechanics but explain it from the gravity point of view
I’m Waiting logic/scientific answers

You know how a fan pushes air right, it redirects it with its blades. The bird does the same thing pushing down the air so that it itself will rise.

Compare it with swimming, just in the air where you need more speed.

You have probably heard the saying in physics, that every action has an opposite and equal reaction. The bullet firing from a gun pushes just as hard on the gun firing it.

Thanks, but where is the gravity rule here? and there are many birds floating on the air without doing any action (just float)

So you want us to explain it only using gravity? Well now you are asking an unanswerable question, since gravity is not the reason they can fly. Birds uses the matter of air to go AGAINST gravity, gravity is the force they are trying to overcome by using the friction of air.

When you move your hand through the air, you can feel the air not wanting to move so easily, this provides friction which can be used to overcome gravity. The gravity is still there, it doesn't change, but the bird is overcoming it.

Then there is the whole matter of airdynamics and speed, where you create a low pressure above a wing using speed, this will then again make it easier to counteract gravity.

Quote from: FaKaN on April 27, 2018, 02:13:20 AM

Quote from: SphericalEarther on April 27, 2018, 02:09:38 AM

Quote from: FaKaN on April 27, 2018, 01:38:27 AM

If Gravity exists How birds can fly and easily without power motors??
Please don’t explain the birds biomechanics but explain it from the gravity point of view
I’m Waiting logic/scientific answers

You know how a fan pushes air right, it redirects it with its blades. The bird does the same thing pushing down the air so that it itself will rise.

Compare it with swimming, just in the air where you need more speed.

You have probably heard the saying in physics, that every action has an opposite and equal reaction. The bullet firing from a gun pushes just as hard on the gun firing it.

Thanks, but where is the gravity rule here? and there are many birds floating on the air without doing any action (just float)

So you want us to explain it only using gravity? Well now you are asking an unanswerable question, since gravity is not the reason they can fly. Birds uses the matter of air to go AGAINST gravity, gravity is the force they are trying to overcome by using the friction of air.

When you move your hand through the air, you can feel the air not wanting to move so easily, this provides friction which can be used to overcome gravity. The gravity is still there, it doesn't change, but the bird is overcoming it.

Then there is the whole matter of airdynamics and speed, where you create a low pressure above a wing using speed, this will then again make it easier to counteract gravity.

and adding to that: birds also use thermal updrafts to stay airborne with the least amount of effort. Warm air goes up ... bird/balloon/hangglider/whatever goes up.

Quote from: FaKaN on April 27, 2018, 02:36:10 AM

Quote from: Lamaface on April 27, 2018, 02:27:45 AM

Quote from: FaKaN on April 27, 2018, 01:57:51 AM

Quote from: Lamaface on April 27, 2018, 01:43:42 AM

You can’t answer your question without taking into account biomechanics and physics. You wouldn’t dismiss the fact a rock has been thrown if explaining its parabolic arc into the air.

so I’ll answer with a question: why should birds have to fly if gravity doesn’t exist?

Because its their nature I think!

You're absolutely right, it's indeed their nature. Evolution has made these creatures able to overcome gravity by applying an equal or greater force to it by flapping their wings up & down.

You mean God not Evolution?😁

No, I mean evolution. If you choose to believe your god made all this ... then by all means, believe away.

Sure!
Then I wonder why a tree will not become a ship or anything else by evolution 😁

By the way thanks for your answers

Thanks all

If Gravity exists How birds can fly and easily without power motors??

WINGS!
When they flap their wings they generate and upwards force on themselves from moving the air down.

It doesn't matter if you have gravity or some nonsense to substitute for it.

Thanks, but where is the gravity rule here? and there are many birds floating on the air without doing any action (just float)

No. They are gliding. They move forward and downwards slightly. If they tried going straight they would slow down.
Note that this "down" is with respect to the air.
They often use thermals, that is regions of hot air which are rising, and that allows them to go up.

So a small muscles can defeat the Gravity? Really I’m wondering and try to understand or get answers

Ever tried jumping?
Same kind of idea.
It isn't a case of defeating it. It is a case of providing an upwards force that is greater than it.

You mean God not Evolution?😁

Nope. Any god that made this world should be ashamed for how abhorrent a job it did.

Then I wonder why a tree will not become a ship or anything else by evolution 😁

How about sticking to the topic and leaving the religious nonsense for elsewhere.

Quote from: Lamaface on April 27, 2018, 02:42:44 AM

Quote from: FaKaN on April 27, 2018, 02:36:10 AM

Quote from: Lamaface on April 27, 2018, 02:27:45 AM

Quote from: FaKaN on April 27, 2018, 01:57:51 AM

Quote from: Lamaface on April 27, 2018, 01:43:42 AM

You can’t answer your question without taking into account biomechanics and physics. You wouldn’t dismiss the fact a rock has been thrown if explaining its parabolic arc into the air.

so I’ll answer with a question: why should birds have to fly if gravity doesn’t exist?

Because its their nature I think!

You're absolutely right, it's indeed their nature. Evolution has made these creatures able to overcome gravity by applying an equal or greater force to it by flapping their wings up & down.

You mean God not Evolution?😁

No, I mean evolution. If you choose to believe your god made all this ... then by all means, believe away.

Sure!
Then I wonder why a tree will not become a ship or anything else by evolution 😁

By the way thanks for your answers

You're welcome.

Nothing would prevent a tree from becoming a ship through evolution, if given enough time.

Thanks all

I'm starting to question whether you are asking these questions because you wish to know, or because you believe we can't provide a sufficient answer?

I am of the opinion that you think you have a gotcha moment here. You believe bird flight proves gravity doesn't exist. You have been told and believe that gravity doesn't exist and because you want to believe in a flat earth you agree without knowledge.

The flight of birds, like everything else, involves an interplay of a number of forces. The shape of a bird's wings, the flapping action, the movement of air over said wings due to said flapping action creates a lift force that overcomes the force of gravity acting on said bird.

Gliding works by the bird selecting the right aircurrents, maintaining the right speen over these currents to ensure continued airflow over the wings creating a lift force that overcomes the force of gravity acting on said bird.

The Bible teaches us how to live in a way that pleases God. It is not a science textbook. The Bible says God has given us the gift of wisdom which we use to understand the physical world. If you don't know enough ask Him. James 1:5

And ask google. He also knows quite a lot

Thanks all
But for who said that I just convinced about the gravity doesn’t exist, No I wanted to get answers away from any other things!

No matter What ever earth is rounded ball or flat or even cubed

Thanks again 👍

Thanks all
But for who said that I just convinced about the gravity doesn’t exist, No I wanted to get answers away from any other things!

No matter What ever earth is rounded ball or flat or even cubed

Thanks again 👍

Just thought to myself... How does it work on the flat earth?

Assuming an FEer believe it is all based upon density and weight, there is nothing to account for it using that basis as well.
There is also the Universal Acceleration (which is basically a 1 directional form of gravity), but from what I've seen, many FEers are heading away from it.

The conclusion would be that birds flight must be based upon something different from what pulls us down regardless of the theory behind it. And I believe that FEers would reach the same conclusion of airdynamics and the friction of air as the current globe earth model.

If their is no gravity, why do birds even need to fly

Manipulated air pressure.

Why do flat earthers not like gravity?

Surely a flat earth would still need an equivalent force, even it it just acts straight down.

I don’t see the point in trying to just do away with something so fundamental to how stuff works on earth.

They see how important Gravity is to how the universe really works and it absolutely debunks 99% of flat Earth claims.  They have to be against it.

Birds are light, they have wings.

Not all are light. These are all flying birds:

• Dalmatian pelican (up to 15 kg / 33 lb)
• Andean condor (up to 15 kg / 33 lb)
• Trumpeter swan (up to 17.2 kg /38 lb)
• Great bustard and Kori bustard (up to 18 kg / 40 lb)

Birds fly by roughly the same means as aircraft except that their wings provide both forward propulsion and lift.

Why do flat earthers not like gravity?

Surely a flat earth would still need an equivalent force, even it it just acts straight down.

I don’t see the point in trying to just do away with something so fundamental to how stuff works on earth.

A flat earth cannot exist with gravity. Gravitational forces will immediately pull a flat earth into a spherical shape.

If for some reason the earth remains flat, gravity will pull everything towards the center of the flat plane and so things towards the edge will begin to tilt at an angle towards the center.

Flat earthers cannot have gravity because it either makes the earth a sphere which they chose to disbelieve or everything tilts towards the edge which even they know is ridiculous. So to ensure confirmation bias, they chose to pretend gravity doesn't exist. And to quote one of the more popular youtubers, "things fall down because they fall down".