What did happen to the lost 6 hours in a year?

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We know one year as 365 days and 6 hours. (about 5 hours and 52 minutes)

make an experiment.

We start the year at 00:00 2017
After 365 days passed, we arrived the 00:00 2018 again. The time is still night. If the earth revolves aroung the sun in 365 days and 6 hours, why don't we feel the residual 6 hours?

Either earth isn't spinning with 24 hours/a tour around itself; or it doesn't revolve a tour around the sun in 365 days and 6 hours.

This is theorically impossible.

Globist model crushed. Now it needs some defenders to produce the lies.

Get ready! Go! Start the lies!

Every 4 years is a leap year (366 days).  The extra six hours multiplied 4 times is 24 hours which is a day.

Keep in mind that any calendar year is an approximation.

Keep in mind that any calendar year is an approximation.

I'm not talking about calendars.

So called modern science claims a year with a high precision as 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes and 46 seconds. They even type the seconds. I don't see any approximation. They even use the atomic clock for correct the mistakes in the range of 10^-3.

Come on. You should agree thay they have fooled you. Stop to be continue to be fooled.

Quote from: Lamaface on April 21, 2018, 07:24:46 AM

Keep in mind that any calendar year is an approximation.

I'm not talking about calendars.

So called modern science claims a year with a high precision as 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes and 46 seconds. They even type the seconds. I don't see any approximation. They even use the atomic clock for correct the mistakes in the range of 10^-3.

Come on. You should agree thay they have fooled you. Stop to be continue to be fooled.

As stated, the calendar year is an approximation of the exact time.  The exact time is corrected by leap year in which they add an extra day to the calendar year to account for the difference.  The calendar year and time on clocks is simply a way for all of us to have a common representation of time that we can use.

There is nothing tricky about this...

smokified is in ignore list. So I don't see/care his posts.

smokified is in ignore list. So I don't see/care his posts.

That is because Smokified defeated you and your lies.

Quote from: Lamaface on April 21, 2018, 07:24:46 AM

Keep in mind that any calendar year is an approximation.

I'm not talking about calendars.

So called modern science claims a year with a high precision as 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes and 46 seconds. They even type the seconds. I don't see any approximation. They even use the atomic clock for correct the mistakes in the range of 10^-3.

Come on. You should agree thay they have fooled you. Stop to be continue to be fooled.

But you are talking about calendars my dear.

You are trying to fit an exact amount of time (365d5h48m46s) into a an approximation of said time (a calendar).

That’s the equivalent of putting your feet into shoes that are too big for your size and then scratching your head because they don’t fit.

I'm not talking about calendars.

How are we marking the days then?  If 6 extra hours and “leap calendars” are lies, then we’re going to have to rely on measuring the sun and stars to figure how long the year really is.

Can we trust our clocks?

I’m game for the experiment, but you have to participate.

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If you don't see a problem here, so you have a problem.

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If you don't see a problem here, so you have a problem.

That image seems to be confusing seasons with days, no?

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If you don't see a problem here, so you have a problem.

The problem is that you don't understand the difference between a solar day and a sidereal day.

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If you don't see a problem here, so you have a problem.

I do see the problem.  That graphic is not representative of reality.

Sun takes the same position relative to orbital event in 31 556 925 seconds.
It is called Tropical Year.
During that time it turns 365.2421875 times.
Which means, it completes 365 turns about 0.242 days earlier than making full circle.

Our 24 hours day was designed to have 86400 seconds in one Solar day.
One solar day is time until the same meridian points towards Sun again.
It is not 360 degrees, it is 360.9856 degrees (almost 361).
It is because Earth moved forward in orbit and has to "look a bit back" to point the Sun again.

Time required to spin for 360 degrees is Sidereal day, and is measured towards distant, apparently unmovable star.
It is not 24 hours, but a bit shorter, 23 h, 56 min, 4.1 sec.
For our calendar it is irrelevant.
When people designed calendar they didn't know about it.
They designed day based on Sun, nor on stars.

Astronomers at the time of Julius Caesar noticed that there is difference between solstices and full set of 365 days.
To correct that error they added one more day every four years to correct for those 6 hours.
That's how Julian calendar was created.
It measures 31 557 600 seconds per year and still doesn't hit the exact number of 31 556 925 seconds.

The time between the full 365 days to the full orbital circle wasnt exactly 6 hours, it was 5 hours 48 minutes and 45 seconds.
The difference accumulated by adding one unnecessary day every 127 years.

At the time of Pope Gregory XIII the error accumulated to 10 days.
Calendar was late.
Instead of being 21st of March for vernal equinox, it was still showing March 11th.
Solstices weren't at the same dates as in the time of Julius Caesar.
So, calendar was corrected again, and extra days were removed by skipping them.
Thursday, 4 October 1582 was followed by Friday, 15 October 1582.
Some non-catholic countries didn't accept the change yet.
Some haven't until 19th or even 20th century.

Additionally, to prevent further accumulation of error, changes were made:
Julian calendar simply adds one leap day every 4 years.
Gregorian calendar does the same, except for years divisible by 100 but not by 400.
So, years 1700, 1800 and 1900 weren't leap years, but 2000 was.
Years 2100, 2200, 2300 won't be leap years, but 2400 will be.

Old Julian calendar makes 1 day error every 127 years.
Gregorian calendar measures 31 556 952 seconds and is in error for 26.7 seconds.
Gregorian calendar is off by 1 day every 3236 years.

What you say would happen with Sun (6 months later on the other side of Earth) actually happens with stars and constellations.
It is because of difference between Solar day and Sideral day.
In different times of the year the night side of Earth points to different stars and constellations.
Ever heard of Summer Triangle, or Winter Hexagon?

Pretty simple.

Thousands of years ago, we figured out that a year is not exactly 365 or 366 days long between summer and the next summer.
So the calendar drifted out of sync with the seasons at a rate of 1 day approximately every 4 years (in the last 2000 years, that would equate to 500 days drift, which isn't very useful)
Julius Ceaser introduced the leap year approximately 2000 years ago to fix this drift.
Using science, we have measured the exact orbit of the earth around the sun, providing math to figure out the precise time it takes earth to orbit the sun which equates to the year we currently use.

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If you don't see a problem here, so you have a problem.

Again very simple. In 24 hours, the earth does a FULL ROTATION IN RELATION TO THE SUN.
So after 183 days (aproximately 6 months) it will STILL be sunlight during daytime.
We do NOT use space as a reference point for anything, as space isn't a set direction or location we can use for rotation, and this is what your image tries to indicate we do.

Im really starting to think you are either a troll, or your understanding of the globe earth model is abysmal.

Besides... The year in FE would be based on the same observations (probably not the same math).  And 24 hours would still be defined from when the sun is highest in the sky, to when it is highest in the sky again the next day.

Someone had to ask this question.

We know one year as 365 days and 6 hours. (about 5 hours and 52 minutes)

They already did. It was done in roughly 46 BCE, with the formation of the Julian calendar, if not earlier.

It was made even better in 1582 with the Gregorian calendar.

This is why we have leap years.

why don't we feel the residual 6 hours?

Just what are you expecting to feel?

Either earth isn't spinning with 24 hours/a tour around itself; or it doesn't revolve a tour around the sun in 365 days and 6 hours.

Well the first one is wrong, just doing the simple math shows that It has to rotate once extra.
It completes 366.2425 revolutions in 365.2425 days and completes one orbit around the sun in the same time.

Globist model crushed. Now it needs some defenders to produce the lies.

Nope, your pathetic lies about the globe model have been crushed.

Get ready! Go! Start the lies!

No, we will your stop your lies.

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So a completely different thing.

If you don't see a problem here, so you have a problem.

We do. Your complete misrepresentation of the situation to pretend it is a problem.
Again, Earth rotates ~366 times in 365 days.
That means in ~ 180 days (the time it takes to go halfway around the sun) it would have rotated ~180.5 times.
That means it is facing the other way.

A solar day and Sidereal day are not the same thing.

Try and understand the model before claiming to have defeated it.

Your entire argument is a pathetic strawman, showing you either have no idea what you are talking about, or you are blatantly lying to everyone. Which is it?

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If you don't see a problem here, so you have a problem.

Yes, you have a big problem there!

The earth does not turn on its axis once in 24 hours but once in approximately 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4.0905 seconds.

Sunrise to sunrise is approx 24ish hours.  The orbit of the Earth doesn't stop, let the Earth rotate and then move again.  So a rotational period is a bit different from a day. 
Queue argument from incredulity.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity

One sidereal year does not equal one calendar year.

If you use the same word, "year" to talk about both, you can find a discrepancy.

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Three people check into a hotel room at the International Flat Earth Conference. The clerk says the bill is $30, so each guest pays $10. Later the clerk realizes the bill should only be $25. To rectify this, he gives the bellhop $5 to return to the guests. On the way to the room, the bellhop realizes that he cannot divide the money equally. As the guests didn't know the total of the revised bill, the bellhop decides to just give each guest $1 and keep $2 as a tip for himself. Each guest got $1 back, so now each guest only paid $9, bringing the total paid to $27. The bellhop has $2. And $27 + $2 = $29 so, if the guests originally handed over $30, what happened to the remaining $1?

Someone had to ask this question:

Three people check into a hotel room at the International Flat Earth Conference. The clerk says the bill is $30, so each guest pays $10. Later the clerk realizes the bill should only be $25. To rectify this, he gives the bellhop $5 to return to the guests. On the way to the room, the bellhop realizes that he cannot divide the money equally. As the guests didn't know the total of the revised bill, the bellhop decides to just give each guest $1 and keep $2 as a tip for himself. Each guest got $1 back, so now each guest only paid $9, bringing the total paid to $27. The bellhop has $2. And $27 + $2 = $29 so, if the guests originally handed over $30, what happened to the remaining $1?

Fallacy in how it is added.  The total paid is $27.  The $27 already includes the $2 that the bellhop has.  You can't take that money that is already accounted for and re-add it. The remaining 3 is in the hands of the guests.

Rhetorical question.

Sunrise to sunrise is approx 24ish hours.  The orbit of the Earth doesn't stop, let the Earth rotate and then move again.  So a rotational period is a bit different from a day. 
Queue argument from incredulity.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity

It's the standard YouTube "proof of the flat earth".
Flat earther: "I can't explain how xyz works on a  ball earth! "
So Flat earther takes 30 minutes presenting an incorrect explanation of xyz and claims this debunks the "ball earth".
For example look at this video from Jeranism about moon phases:The first 9:40 is totally irrelevant material and his straw-man assembly starts there at 9:40. He, of course, calls it "The Flat Truth".

Is there some school out there that tutors these flat-earth video producers in  Straw-man Construction 101?

Quote from: brotherhood of the dome on April 21, 2018, 08:26:09 AM

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If you don't see a problem here, so you have a problem.

Yes, you have a big problem there!

The earth does not turn on its axis once in 24 hours but once in approximately 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4.0905 seconds.

I will point out that 24 and 23:56:04.0905 are BOTH correct. The earth spins once every 24 hours in relation to the sun, and every 23:56:04.0905 hours in relation to the stars and our orbit.

Someone had to ask this question:

Three people check into a hotel room...

I very nearly posted this same thing yesterday, except for the “convention” detail. (Nice added touch.)

A $25.00 hotel room? 

Do you have to remove the bed bugs and dead hookers yourself?

I will point out that 24 and 23:56:04.0905 are BOTH correct. The earth spins once every 24 hours in relation to the sun, and every 23:56:04.0905 hours in relation to the stars and our orbit.

You claim the daytime as 23:56:04.0905, because there is no exit without it. This is like the magnetic declination hoax.

Your 23:56:04.0905 is never observed in real life. Our clocks work properly. We deterimne in summer the daytime while increasing. And they decreases in only winter. So your daytime should be 23:56:04.0905 in winters and 24:04 in summers. But it isn't. Meanwhile you don't claim such a thing.

Quote from: SphericalEarther on April 22, 2018, 12:21:06 AM

I will point out that 24 and 23:56:04.0905 are BOTH correct. The earth spins once every 24 hours in relation to the sun, and every 23:56:04.0905 hours in relation to the stars and our orbit.

You claim the daytime as 23:56:04.0905, because there is no exit without it. This is like the magnetic declination hoax.

Your 23:56:04.0905 is never observed in real life. Our clocks work properly. We deterimne in summer the daytime while increasing. And they decreases in only winter. So your daytime should be 23:56:04.0905 in winters and 24:04 in summers. But it isn't. Meanwhile you don't claim such a thing.

23:56:04.0905 is the time it takes for the Earth to turn 360 degrees.  Otherwise known as the sidereal day.  It IS observed with relation to the stars.  It is about 24 hours to turn slightly more come back around with respect to the Sun.  These are for the ENTIRE day and night and not the amount of daylight which you seem to be confusing yourself with.

Quote from: brotherhood of the dome on April 22, 2018, 08:32:31 AM

Quote from: SphericalEarther on April 22, 2018, 12:21:06 AM

I will point out that 24 and 23:56:04.0905 are BOTH correct. The earth spins once every 24 hours in relation to the sun, and every 23:56:04.0905 hours in relation to the stars and our orbit.

You claim the daytime as 23:56:04.0905, because there is no exit without it. This is like the magnetic declination hoax.

Your 23:56:04.0905 is never observed in real life. Our clocks work properly. We deterimne in summer the daytime while increasing. And they decreases in only winter. So your daytime should be 23:56:04.0905 in winters and 24:04 in summers. But it isn't. Meanwhile you don't claim such a thing.

23:56:04.0905 is the time it takes for the Earth to turn 360 degrees.  Otherwise known as the sidereal day.  It IS observed with relation to the stars.  It is about 24 hours to turn slightly more come back around with respect to the Sun.  These are for the ENTIRE day and night and not the amount of daylight which you seem to be confusing yourself with.

You can't use stars for proving "sidefake" day. Because in a 3d space, a bunch of stars means nothing for any of planet. This is not a proof, this is not an observe. Nobody has observed this.

Quote from: frenat on April 22, 2018, 08:35:53 AM

Quote from: brotherhood of the dome on April 22, 2018, 08:32:31 AM

Quote from: SphericalEarther on April 22, 2018, 12:21:06 AM

I will point out that 24 and 23:56:04.0905 are BOTH correct. The earth spins once every 24 hours in relation to the sun, and every 23:56:04.0905 hours in relation to the stars and our orbit.

You claim the daytime as 23:56:04.0905, because there is no exit without it. This is like the magnetic declination hoax.

Your 23:56:04.0905 is never observed in real life. Our clocks work properly. We deterimne in summer the daytime while increasing. And they decreases in only winter. So your daytime should be 23:56:04.0905 in winters and 24:04 in summers. But it isn't. Meanwhile you don't claim such a thing.

23:56:04.0905 is the time it takes for the Earth to turn 360 degrees.  Otherwise known as the sidereal day.  It IS observed with relation to the stars.  It is about 24 hours to turn slightly more come back around with respect to the Sun.  These are for the ENTIRE day and night and not the amount of daylight which you seem to be confusing yourself with.

You can't use stars for proving "sidefake" day. Because in a 3d space, a bunch of stars means nothing for any of planet. This is not a proof, this is not an observe. Nobody has observed this.

Not fake.  But thank you for proving you don't even want to try to understand it.  It is what explains why the stars are slightly different from night to night. It has been observed whether you choose to believe it or not.