Possible explanation for sunlight on a flat earth

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

Have you ever seen a real sunset, especially one over the ocean. The sunlight does not simply fade out, but the sun itself is clearly seen to disappear bottom first apparently behind the horizon. Like these:See how it seems be clearly the sun itself becoming hidden. I don't see how directed from a "spotlight" or from something similar to car headlights could cause what anyone can easily over the ocean or over land.

Then finally a couple of stills of the sun setting at Weipa in Queensland:

Quote from: totallackey on April 01, 2018, 03:03:01 AM

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

Have you ever seen a real sunset, especially one over the ocean. The sunlight does not simply fade out, but the sun itself is clearly seen to disappear bottom first apparently behind the horizon. Like these:

Time lapse of a sunset: Hawaii Sunset with Green Flash, Natalie Sirgo

And the last bit of the sun disappearing: PACIFIC OCEAN SUNSET...Mardoval

See how it seems be clearly the sun itself becoming hidden. I don't see how directed from a "spotlight" or from something similar to car headlights could cause what anyone can easily over the ocean or over land.

Then finally a couple of stills of the sun setting at Weipa in Queensland:

Sun near setting at Weipa

Sunset at Weipa

And if I placed one of those headlights in motion, it would also completely disappear from a flat plane observer's view.

What's your point?

Quote from: rabinoz on April 01, 2018, 04:22:31 AM

Quote from: totallackey on April 01, 2018, 03:03:01 AM

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

Have you ever seen a real sunset, especially one over the ocean. The sunlight does not simply fade out, but the sun itself is clearly seen to disappear bottom first apparently behind the horizon. Like these:

Time lapse of a sunset: Hawaii Sunset with Green Flash, Natalie Sirgo

And the last bit of the sun disappearing: PACIFIC OCEAN SUNSET...Mardoval

See how it seems be clearly the sun itself becoming hidden. I don't see how directed from a "spotlight" or from something similar to car headlights could cause what anyone can easily over the ocean or over land.

Then finally a couple of stills of the sun setting at Weipa in Queensland:

Sun near setting at Weipa

Sunset at Weipa

And if I placed one of those headlights in motion, it would also completely disappear from a flat plane observer's view.

What's your point?

My point is that your "headlights in motion" over the flat earth would still be 3000 miles above the flat earth when they disappeared.
The real sun drops down to the horizon and appears to become hidden behind it.

If you disagree with that, make a video (or even good diagrams), without any magic refraction, showing your headlight sun appearing to disappear behind the horizon, while still the same height above it.

And another big problem you have is that the real sun's angular size does not change throughout the day, but perspective would make your sun decrease dramatically in size as it went further away.

Look in here to see that the angular size of the sun does not change: Re: Please explain........« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2018, 10:33:31 PM ».
That post also shows that the moon stays the same size.

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

Does not explain what is seen from other locations at the same time.

Thank you for the reminder of why I don't watch Youtube videos without accurate summaries. That killed brain cells.

Quote from: totallackey on April 01, 2018, 04:27:37 AM

And if I placed one of those headlights in motion, it would also completely disappear from a flat plane observer's view.

What's your point?

My point is that your "headlights in motion" over the flat earth would still be 3000 miles above the flat earth when they disappeared.
The real sun drops down to the horizon and appears to become hidden behind it.

If you disagree with that, make a video (or even good diagrams), without any magic refraction, showing your headlight sun appearing to disappear behind the horizon, while still the same height above it.

And another big problem you have is that the real sun's angular size does not change throughout the day, but perspective would make your sun decrease dramatically in size as it went further away.

Look in here to see that the angular size of the sun does not change: Re: Please explain........« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2018, 10:33:31 PM ».
That post also shows that the moon stays the same size.

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Why do I need to make a video when we know that a jet flying at 7 miles above the Earth is still 7 miles above the Earth when it also appears to be "going over an horizon...

You can continue to make these claims about "not changing angular size," but the first thing I recommend for you is simply find a way to remove your tendency to lie and repeat obviously false information from your character...that might lead to faster process of character growth and real education.

Quote from: totallackey on April 01, 2018, 03:03:01 AM

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

Does not explain what is seen from other locations at the same time.

It most certainly does.

You can continue to make these claims about "not changing angular size," but the first thing I recommend for you is simply find a way to remove your tendency to lie and repeat obviously false information from your character...that might lead to faster process of character growth and real education.

Looks like projection to me.

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

This is how low and high beam work in headlight.



It can create "sharp edge between day and night".

But let me remind you why it doesn't work on flat Earth:
Shadow of horizon.

For sunset horizon casts shadow on mountains and tall buildings.
Shadow of horizon crawls up for sunset and down for sunrise.
And the part above the shadow is still "bathing in sunlight".
(On Burj Khalifa in Dubai shadow takes roughly 3 minutes to pass the whole building.
Ask Muslims why there Iftar comes later on top floors, 828 meters high.)

Which way sunlight reaches the top of that mountain behind the observer?

Quote from: totallackey on April 01, 2018, 03:03:01 AM

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

This is how low and high beam work in headlight.



It can create "sharp edge between day and night".

But let me remind you why it doesn't work on flat Earth:
Shadow of horizon.

For sunset horizon casts shadow on mountains and tall buildings.
Shadow of horizon crawls up for sunset and down for sunrise.
And the part above the shadow is still "bathing in sunlight".
(On Burj Khalifa in Dubai shadow takes roughly 3 minutes to pass the whole building.
Ask Muslims why there Iftar comes later on top floors, 828 meters high.)

Which way sunlight reaches the top of that mountain behind the observer?

Reflected light off the surface of earth.

You explained ZERO...

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Why do I need to make a video when we know that a jet flying at 7 miles above the Earth is still 7 miles above the Earth when it also appears to be "going over an horizon...

Because that jet does appear to shrink in size as it travels from overhead to the horizon.
But the sun and moon do not appear to shrink as they move towards the horizon and appear to sink behind it!

I had hoped that you might have looked at the posts I referenced but apparently not, so here photos on the moon and the sun.

Here are some of my photos of the moon:

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Photographing the moon is relatively easy if there are no clouds.

The following photos were taken with automatic exposure and focus. The 35mm equiv focal length used on all photos was 1,600 mm.
These show the moon at quite different altitudes:

(1) May 24, 2016 19:36 EAST Alt 6.3°, Az 107.7°,  size  0.52°

(2) May 24, 2016 at 20:16 EAST Alt 14.5°, Az 103.6°,  size  0.52°

(3) May 24, 2016 at 20:57 EAST Alt 23.1°, Az  99.6°,  size  0.52°

(5) May 24, 2016 at 22:16 EAST Alt 37.8°, Az  92.7°,  size  0.52°

The next photos are at higher altitudes, but are on different nights, so this might change the sizes a little.

(6) June 21, 2916 at 23.12 EAST, Strawberry Moon+1, Alt 67.1°, Azm 70.8°,  size  0.53°

(7) May 19, 2016 at 22:08 EAST Alt 71.5°, Azm 0.1°,  size  0.52°

(8) June 20, 2916 at 23:38 EAST, Strawberry Full Moon Alt 80.2°, Azm 23.4°,  size  0.52°

Oct 16, 2016 - Full Perigee Moon - just a fill in!

The moon stays (almost) the same size from rising (well 6.3°) to virtually overhead (at an Altitude of 80.2°).

Any explanations as to how this might be possible with the flat earth model of the moon's motion?

Quote from: Beorn on March 21, 2018, 04:20:23 AM

I have stood on a very flat plain and watched a flock of birds fly away. When they flew over they were clearly at the same height. However, when flying away in the distance it appeared that the bird furthest away was lower towards the horizon than those closer by. It's simply from our perspective that it seems they move under the horizon, because our eyes can not look into inifinity.

Yes, but your flock of birds got smaller and smaller till they disappeared. Neither the sun nor the moon does that, they stay the same size all through the day, right till they set.

These screen shots from a video by flat Earther, Matrix Decode,  do an excellent job of showing that the sun's size and shape do not change!

Here is that video and a similar one of the moon:

Flat Earth - The Size Of The Sun, Matrix Decode

] Flat Earth - The Size Of The Moon, Matrix Decode

Which he concludes with: "The moon appears to remain the same size from 9.30 PM to 6 AM".

You can continue to make these claims about "not changing angular size," but the first thing I recommend for you is simply find a way to remove your tendency to lie and repeat obviously false information from your character.

It is so pathetic that so many flat earthers accuse others of lying when faced with evidence that they either cannot understand or refute.

But the evidence I have given is so easily obtained by anyone and the sun images are from a flat earther, Matrix Decode, so how can you claim that they are not genuine.
Here is the link to his YouTube channel if you need to check his credentials, Matrix Decode.

..that might lead to faster process of character growth and real education.

My "character growth and . . .  education"  are fine and obviously streets ahead of yours, so I suggest you invest in a good mirror and take a look at yourself.

Now, would you please cease your usual ad hominem attacks and start commenting on the evidence.

<< If you check Matrix Decode's YouTube channel you'll find that he's now ex-flat Earther, Matrix Decode >>

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

Maybe if lower elevations were the last to receive light as the sun set, but higher elevations are the last to receive light, so no, it doesn't.

Quote from: Macarios on April 01, 2018, 01:09:08 PM

Quote from: totallackey on April 01, 2018, 03:03:01 AM

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

This is how low and high beam work in headlight.



It can create "sharp edge between day and night".

But let me remind you why it doesn't work on flat Earth:
Shadow of horizon.

For sunset horizon casts shadow on mountains and tall buildings.
Shadow of horizon crawls up for sunset and down for sunrise.
And the part above the shadow is still "bathing in sunlight".
(On Burj Khalifa in Dubai shadow takes roughly 3 minutes to pass the whole building.
Ask Muslims why there Iftar comes later on top floors, 828 meters high.)

Which way sunlight reaches the top of that mountain behind the observer?

Reflected light off the surface of earth.

You explained ZERO...

And that light was "smart enough to carefully go around the observer, hiding from him"?

LOOOOOL

And that light was "smart enough to carefully go around the observer, hiding from him"?

LOOOOOL

Your claim is then all reflected light or vision is readily apparent to any and all observers?

LMMFAO!!!

Quote from: Macarios on April 02, 2018, 12:49:47 AM

And that light was "smart enough to carefully go around the observer, hiding from him"?

LOOOOOL

Your claim is then all reflected light or vision is readily apparent to any and all observers?

LMMFAO!!!

I'm not claiming it for all such light.
I'm claiming it for the light that hits mountain directly behind observer, somehow sneaking pass the observer unnoticed.
Maybe bending like a bridge over him?
Or splitting around him "Moses style"?

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

How do we know that the "sharp line" isn't just the top of the wall?  Hard to be sure, but it looks an awful lot like he's shining his headlights on a couple of concrete road barriers.

Why do I need to make a video when we know that a jet flying at 7 miles above the Earth is still 7 miles above the Earth when it also appears to be "going over an horizon...

Have you ever actually seen a jet "go over the horizon"?  In my own personal experience, jets become too small to see long before they get anywhere near the horizon.

Quote from: Macarios on April 02, 2018, 12:49:47 AM

And that light was "smart enough to carefully go around the observer, hiding from him"?

LOOOOOL

Your claim is then all reflected light or vision is readily apparent to any and all observers?

LMMFAO!!!

There is nothing worse than a fool who doesn't realize he is a fool.  You are that fool.  The idea of flat earth has had its ass kicked in so many ways, you have to have some serious fucking issues if you continue to buy into the bullshit.

Quote from: totallackey on April 02, 2018, 02:16:17 AM

Quote from: Macarios on April 02, 2018, 12:49:47 AM

And that light was "smart enough to carefully go around the observer, hiding from him"?

LOOOOOL

Your claim is then all reflected light or vision is readily apparent to any and all observers?

LMMFAO!!!

I'm not claiming it for all such light.
I'm claiming it for the light that hits mountain directly behind observer, somehow sneaking pass the observer unnoticed.
Maybe bending like a bridge over him?
Or splitting around him "Moses style"?

Your claim is bupkus and has zero veracity.

Quote from: totallackey on April 01, 2018, 03:03:01 AM

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

How do we know that the "sharp line" isn't just the top of the wall?  Hard to be sure, but it looks an awful lot like he's shining his headlights on a couple of concrete road barriers.

Who is "we?"

You are full of crap.

It is obvious there is an entire wall in front of the car.

(By the way, the wall happens to be over twenty feet tall.)

Quote from: Macarios on April 02, 2018, 02:40:27 AM

Quote from: totallackey on April 02, 2018, 02:16:17 AM

Quote from: Macarios on April 02, 2018, 12:49:47 AM

And that light was "smart enough to carefully go around the observer, hiding from him"?

LOOOOOL

Your claim is then all reflected light or vision is readily apparent to any and all observers?

LMMFAO!!!

I'm not claiming it for all such light.
I'm claiming it for the light that hits mountain directly behind observer, somehow sneaking pass the observer unnoticed.
Maybe bending like a bridge over him?
Or splitting around him "Moses style"?

Your claim is bupkus and has zero veracity.

My "claim" about your claim on light?
What you call "my claim" was actually the question about your bogus claim.

Quote from: markjo on April 02, 2018, 09:29:54 AM

Quote from: totallackey on April 01, 2018, 03:03:01 AM

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

How do we know that the "sharp line" isn't just the top of the wall?  Hard to be sure, but it looks an awful lot like he's shining his headlights on a couple of concrete road barriers.

Who is "we?"

"We" as in "anyone watching the video".

You are full of crap.

It is obvious there is an entire wall in front of the car.

No, it isn't obvious, which is why I mention it.

(By the way, the wall happens to be over twenty feet tall.)

And the evidence for that is...

This video demonstrates a possible way for how sunlight disappears above a flat earth plane.

Are you saying that the sun doesn't directly illuminate the earth?  In a vehicle's headlights (assuming conventional Xenon bulbs), the bulbs do not project light directly to the front of the vehicle.  If you look at the top of the bulb it is coated to reflect the light back toward the reflectors in the headlight assembly.  Macarios provided a diagram of how they work.

Is the flat earth sun just a giant headlight assembly that reflects the sun's light onto the earth?

Quote from: totallackey on April 01, 2018, 09:29:30 AM

Why do I need to make a video when we know that a jet flying at 7 miles above the Earth is still 7 miles above the Earth when it also appears to be "going over an horizon...

Have you ever actually seen a jet "go over the horizon"?  In my own personal experience, jets become too small to see long before they get anywhere near the horizon.

This is because the earth is flat. Please trust your eyes before NASA.

Quote from: markjo on April 02, 2018, 09:35:00 AM

Quote from: totallackey on April 01, 2018, 09:29:30 AM

Why do I need to make a video when we know that a jet flying at 7 miles above the Earth is still 7 miles above the Earth when it also appears to be "going over an horizon...

Have you ever actually seen a jet "go over the horizon"?  In my own personal experience, jets become too small to see long before they get anywhere near the horizon.

This is because the earth is flat. Please trust your eyes before NASA.

I trust that I have never seen a jet fly anywhere near the horizon, let alone over it.  What does NASA have to do with any of that?

Quote from: hoppy on April 03, 2018, 10:19:44 AM

Quote from: markjo on April 02, 2018, 09:35:00 AM

Quote from: totallackey on April 01, 2018, 09:29:30 AM

Why do I need to make a video when we know that a jet flying at 7 miles above the Earth is still 7 miles above the Earth when it also appears to be "going over an horizon...

Have you ever actually seen a jet "go over the horizon"?  In my own personal experience, jets become too small to see long before they get anywhere near the horizon.

This is because the earth is flat. Please trust your eyes before NASA.

I trust that I have never seen a jet fly anywhere near the horizon, let alone over it. 

Yes. This is because the earth is flat.

Quote from: markjo on April 03, 2018, 10:26:53 AM

Quote from: hoppy on April 03, 2018, 10:19:44 AM

Quote from: markjo on April 02, 2018, 09:35:00 AM

Quote from: totallackey on April 01, 2018, 09:29:30 AM

Why do I need to make a video when we know that a jet flying at 7 miles above the Earth is still 7 miles above the Earth when it also appears to be "going over an horizon...

Have you ever actually seen a jet "go over the horizon"?  In my own personal experience, jets become too small to see long before they get anywhere near the horizon.

This is because the earth is flat. Please trust your eyes before NASA.

I trust that I have never seen a jet fly anywhere near the horizon, let alone over it. 

Yes. This is because the earth is flat.

No, it's because jets get too small to see when they're more than a few miles away, regardless of the shape of the earth.  A phenomenon that the sun, moon and other celestial objects don't seem to experience.

"Because Earth is flat"...
Ok, let's see:

Sun is 5005 km above the surface.
During Lahaina Noon, directly overhead, has angular diameter of 0.53 degrees.
So, diameter of Sun is 2 * (5005 * tan(0.53 / 2) ) = 46.3 km.
For sunset Sun still has angular diameter of 0.53 degrees.
Since it didn't change the size, it means "atmospheric lensing" makes it look bigger.

Flat Earth makes top of the atmosphere flat as well.
Where the "atmospheric lensing" comes from, if the air isn't lense shaped?
I also don't know of any observation or measurement that shows top of the atmosphere to be Fresnel lens shaped.
Maybe someone does?

Eye resolution is, roughly, one arc minute, which is 0.0167 degrees.
Vanishing point for object 46.3 km in diameter is (46.3 / 2) / tan(0.0167 / 2) = 158 850 km.
There are two reasons for Sun to never reach distance of 158 850 km from observer.
One, "atmospheric lensing" keeps it at 0.53 degrees.
Two, there is not enough room on Flat Earth for anyone to ever be that far from Sun.
For December solstice Sun is 12 605 km from North pole.
The very opposite end of the Earth at Ice wall is 32 605 km away.
At that distance Sun's elevation would be arctan(5005 / 32605) = 8.73 degrees.
Direct distance would be sqrt(32605² + 5005²) = 32 987 km,
with angular diameter of 2 * arctan((46.3 / 2) / 32 987) = 0.08 degrees (4.8 arc minutes) without "atmospheric lensing".

So, the only way is if "something" (horizon?) hides Sun from view for sunrise and sunset.
Air layers have a bit higher refraction index than vacuum above.
The lower the sunlight goes, the thicker the layers get, and it makes the light bend downwards.
For Sun to stay 5005 km and look like setting we need sunlight to bend upwards, and that's what we don't have.
And it should be upwards most of the time for arctan(5005 / 10000) = 26.6 degrees.

You can hate these facts as much as you want,
you can ignore them,
sweep them under the carpet,
twist them and blur them,
run and hide from them,
they still won't disappear.

Let me remind you:

Atmospheric refraction of the light from a star is zero in the zenith,
less than 1′ (one arc-minute) at 45° apparent altitude, and still only 5.3′ at 10° altitude;
it quickly increases as altitude decreases, reaching 9.9′ at 5° altitude, 18.4′ at 2° altitude,
and 35.4′ at the horizon.

(from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction)

Yes. This is because the earth is flat.

Did you learn that from your own observations, read it in a book or watch a YouTube video by Jeranism or Mark Sargeant?