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Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.

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eonblue12

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Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« on: March 27, 2018, 08:13:37 PM »
I can believe in magic unicorns and nobody can prove me wrong. At the same time I can dismiss all your science as lies.
I hereby declare both REers and FEers as pure liars and believe the earth is actually banana shaped.
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rabinoz

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2018, 10:33:32 PM »
Quote from: eonblue12 on March 27, 2018, 08:13:37 PM
I can believe in magic unicorns and nobody can prove me wrong. At the same time I can dismiss all your science as lies.
I hereby declare both REers and FEers as pure liars and believe the earth is actually banana shaped.
BE society established effective immediately
You are probably correct with, "Debating with FEers is pointless", but there are many "guests" and newbies who may not yet be convinced either way.

In my opinion the most productive approach is to present good evidence for the Globe and against various aspects of the flat earth model.

To do this you do need to learn all you can about the flat earth model(s) actually present.
A big problem is that flat earthers themselves certainly do not all speak with one voice.
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gotham

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2018, 03:01:24 AM »
There is potential for a serious debate between FE and RE so the thread does not have to immediately move to CN, leaving aside the "banana" reference.

I would submit that REers are not exactly "liars" but are merely misguided by beliefs they acquired while learning more about FET.

The suggestion to study FET is a quality statement and has been stressed since a time when RET dominance of Earth shape dynamics was recognized to have major issues of compatibility with reality. 

 
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rabinoz

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2018, 03:13:50 AM »
Quote from: gotham on March 28, 2018, 03:01:24 AM
There is potential for a serious debate between FE and RE so the thread does not have to immediately move to CN, leaving aside the "banana" reference.

I would submit that REers are not exactly "liars" but are merely misguided by beliefs they acquired while learning more about FET.

The suggestion to study FET is a quality statement and has been stressed since a time when RET dominance of Earth shape dynamics was recognized to have major issues of compatibility with reality. 

Please explain just when "RET dominance of Earth shape dynamics was recognized to have major issues of compatibility with reality"
because the Heliocentric Globe is quite compatible with reality, both on earth and in outer space.

Of you disagree, please present evidence of your claims.
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JackBlack

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2018, 03:56:53 AM »
Quote from: gotham on March 28, 2018, 03:01:24 AM
I would submit that REers are not exactly "liars" but are merely misguided by beliefs they acquired while learning more about FET.
At best you have that the wrong way around.

Quote from: gotham on March 28, 2018, 03:01:24 AM
The suggestion to study FET is a quality statement and has been stressed since a time when RET dominance of Earth shape dynamics was recognized to have major issues of compatibility with reality.
So never?
I am yet to hear of any actual major issues regarding the compatibility of RET with reality.
Meanwhile I have heard of plenty regarding FE.
That is what lead to people realising Earth was round.
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icewallbreaker

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2018, 08:07:35 AM »
Quote from: gotham on March 28, 2018, 03:01:24 AM
There is potential for a serious debate between FE and RE so the thread does not have to immediately move to CN, leaving aside the "banana" reference.

I would submit that REers are not exactly "liars" but are merely misguided by beliefs they acquired while learning more about FET.

The suggestion to study FET is a quality statement and has been stressed since a time when RET dominance of Earth shape dynamics was recognized to have major issues of compatibility with reality. 

 

What are you talking about? The RET is the MOST compatible theory with reality.

It's FET that has dozens of fundamental problems and isn't compatible with reality. Most FE believers even admit it has problems and that there is "no official map yet".
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Curiouser and Curiouser

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2018, 10:11:15 PM »
Quote from: eonblue12 on March 27, 2018, 08:13:37 PM
I can believe in magic unicorns and nobody can prove me wrong. At the same time I can dismiss all your science as lies.
I hereby declare both REers and FEers as pure liars and believe the earth is actually banana shaped.
BE society established effective immediately

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Xphilll

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2018, 09:52:59 PM »
Quote from: gotham on March 28, 2018, 03:01:24 AM
There is potential for a serious debate between FE and RE so the thread does not have to immediately move to CN, leaving aside the "banana" reference.

I would submit that REers are not exactly "liars" but are merely misguided by beliefs they acquired while learning more about FET.

The suggestion to study FET is a quality statement and has been stressed since a time when RET dominance of Earth shape dynamics was recognized to have major issues of compatibility with reality. 

 
Of course the reality he is talking about is the one presented in the bible.
You RE's out there all understand this fraud of a debate exists only because some heavy bearded dude couple of thousand years ago wrote something vaguely poetic that could be interpreted by poorly educated people as the planet we live on was flat.
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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2018, 11:59:05 PM »
Quote from: eonblue12 on March 27, 2018, 08:13:37 PM
I can believe in magic unicorns and nobody can prove me wrong. At the same time I can dismiss all your science as lies.
I hereby declare both REers and FEers as pure liars and believe the earth is actually banana shaped.
BE society established effective immediately

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Come on bro, just admit that the the earth isn't a sphere, you won't even be wrong
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DavidOrJohn

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2018, 12:29:06 AM »
It depends on your objectives as to whether or not you deem it pointless.

I don't really feel the need to convince anyone the earth or round, there's enough evidence out there already.

I do like to tell people where their argument falls down though and I especially like the mathematics that goes into forming such arguments. So for me it isn't pointless at all as my objective gets met pretty much every time I visit this site.

I mean a few weeks ago I was able to show someone their value of pi was wrong by splitting an n-sided polygon into isosceles triangles and deriving a value for pi as n increases. That's something I only ever get to do within my classroom.
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gotham

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2018, 02:56:06 AM »
Correct that mathematics or, in particular, the limitations of maths can reveal the existence of flaws in claims made by RE believers.

Drill down to the bullhorn axiom of 1+1=1 for a full explanation. 
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DavidOrJohn

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2018, 08:56:40 AM »
Quote from: gotham on April 02, 2018, 02:56:06 AM
Correct that mathematics or, in particular, the limitations of maths can reveal the existence of flaws in claims made by RE believers.

Drill down to the bullhorn axiom of 1+1=1 for a full explanation.

Anyone can have flaws in claims, be them RET or FET.

As for 1+1=1 I assume you mean the proof where you have to divide by 0, which you cannot do thus negating it.
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JimmyTheCrab

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2018, 09:10:54 AM »
Quote from: Xphilll on April 01, 2018, 09:52:59 PM
Of course the reality he is talking about is the one presented in the bible.
You RE's out there all understand this fraud of a debate exists only because some heavy bearded dude couple of thousand years ago wrote something vaguely poetic that could be interpreted by poorly educated people as the planet we live on was flat.
Not really.  Flat earthers are trolls, role players, conspiracy theorists and the insane.  Hardly any are inspired by any obscure biblical reference.
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Curiouser and Curiouser

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2018, 10:20:57 AM »
Quote from: DavidOrJohn on April 02, 2018, 08:56:40 AM

As for 1+1=1 I assume you mean the proof where you have to divide by 0, which you cannot do thus negating it.


More appropriate would be the typological system where the character "1" when placed on the right side of an equal sign has the numerical value of 2.

1 + 1 = 1

Makes perfect sense.
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JackBlack

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2018, 02:17:15 PM »
Quote from: gotham on April 02, 2018, 02:56:06 AM
Correct that mathematics or, in particular, the limitations of maths can reveal the existence of flaws in claims made by RE believers.

Drill down to the bullhorn axiom of 1+1=1 for a full explanation.
Nope.
Grasping at straws like this just shows how pathetic the claims of FEers are.
Rather than provide any evidence they need to resort to this crap, using steps in math which are known to not work, to pretend there is a problem.
All steps like this require something that isn't allowed, like dividing by 0.
Meanwhile, math, when applied correctly, decimates the claims of the FEers.
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DavidOrJohn

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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2018, 03:05:07 PM »
Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on April 02, 2018, 10:20:57 AM
Quote from: DavidOrJohn on April 02, 2018, 08:56:40 AM

As for 1+1=1 I assume you mean the proof where you have to divide by 0, which you cannot do thus negating it.


More appropriate would be the typological system where the character "1" when placed on the right side of an equal sign has the numerical value of 2.

1 + 1 = 1

Makes perfect sense.

That's more coding than maths.
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Re: Debating with FEers is pointless. People can believe whatever they want.
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2018, 05:02:08 PM »
Yes, the Discordian view is fun. Hail Eris, Queen of the Banana Tribe.
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