Question about flight times

I can fly from Bejing China to Los Angeles USA in 13 hours (the yellow line on the image which is about 3 CM)

I can also fly from Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia in about 14 hours (the black line on the image which is about 9 CM).

Both planes are a Boeing 747 which has a a top speed around 600 miles per hour. Based on this how can the attached map possibly be correct?



https://imgur.com/a/WASO5

Just so you know, your not going to get any answer from any flat earther because they avoid this topic like the plague.  They have no answer for this other than telling you that these flights are fake or that the passengers were drugged and just think the flight was 13 hours, or its a specially equipped 747 capable of mach 2 or some other meth/LSD induced answer.  There is only one answer to your question and that is the map you used is as real as mickey mouse, donald duck, the easter bunny and santa clause.  Using the map you provided, of  course its not possible because as we all know, the earth is in fact round, but I think you knew that already. 

You can follow flights like these on https://www.flightradar24.com

You'll see that the routings these flights take are not anywhere close to what your map would suggest they needed to be. You can see the altitude and heading (track to be completely accurate)

Many aircraft are equipped with ADS-B (automatic dependent surveillance-broadcast) though it is only a requirement in a few places.

You cannot "follow," the supposed Sydney to Santiago flight.

You cannot "follow," the supposed Sydney to Santiago flight.

And you cannot legitimately deny that the planes leave Sydney, are tracked for parts of the flight and arrive roughly 12 hours later.If a flight from say Tokyo to San Francisco were presented I doubt that you would question that. Why the difference?

You cannot "follow," the supposed Sydney to Santiago flight.

This thread is not about following flights. is about the flat earth map and basic distances and travel times on a flat earth map. These distances and travel times are vastly different than the distances and travel times i experience. How does the flat earth society explain this.

this is not an argument. It's a question i'm asking.

this is not an argument. It's a question i'm asking.

And the answer to the question is that it can't possibly be correct!

And the answer to the question is that it can't possibly be correct!

I was wanting an answer from a flat earther.

I'd go back and edit your OP.  You list the second flight (black line) as Johannesburg Afria (sic) to Sydney Australia, but your image shows the black line between Australia and a location in South America, which appears to be Argentina.

I'd go back and edit your OP.  You list the second flight (black line) as Johannesburg Afria (sic) to Sydney Australia, but your image shows the black line between Australia and a location in South America, which appears to be Argentina.

Good point.
But it only means that (to scale) the flight would still be about 22-23 hours long.
OP wishes to hear from Flat Earthers. So do I!

Yes, I would also like an answer, but obvious errors can result in people just outright ignoring your question.

I can fly from Bejing China to Los Angeles USA in 13 hours (the yellow line on the image which is about 3 CM) (true)

I can also fly from Johannesburg Afria to Sydney Australia in just under 13 hours (the black line on the image which is about 9 CM). (false. you can't do that)

Both planes are a Boeing 747 which has a a top speed around 600 miles per hour. Based on this how can the attached map possibly be correct?

https://imgur.com/a/WASO5

Don't trust  aircraft companies such as Qantas and Latam by their claims about flight times. These are liars.

You can find out the liar aircraft companies by checking the black listed companies here:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74179.msg2019488#msg2019488

I would say the map sows a flight from Chile to Australia. That is a direct route operated by Qantas. You can ignore anything that BOTD says about pretty much anything as he is never able to provide evidence of his claims

Keep it up, you'll get on his ignore list.

Perks include:
You can say anything and he has to pretend like he didn't read it.
You get your username added to a pretend list.
(secret perks only shared with list members)

The list gets purged a few time per year.
rabinoz and I are inaugural and permanent members of the list.

Many have tried to attain that status. None have succeed.

Thank you for the flightradar24 link. It is something I've not looked at for some time and had rather forgotten about. It seems to gather a lot of independent data from multiple sources and is surely difficult to contest.

The day/night display is also of note. None of the 'spotlight sun over flat earth' images and animations correlate with it. Any comments FE?

It was already commented.

Yes, I would also like an answer, but obvious errors can result in people just outright ignoring your question.

I updated my original post.

Don't trust  aircraft companies such as Qantas and Latam by their claims about flight times. These are liars.

I'm not trusting aircraft companies. I have traveled with a wind up wrist watch that has not been tampered with and a clock on my laptop and also on my phone. My wife was also with me with her own watches. They ALL have confirmed that the flight times are accurate.

This has also been confirmed because they must have a departure time for people to know when to arrive to board the airport and they also must have an arrival time so that my family knows when to pick me up after I've arrived. When i compare the departure time of the flight and the arrival time of the flight they also confirm the flight times.

Ha! Your family are a part of the conspiracy. That is the most elegant answer, hence it must be true!

Sorry to have been the one to tell you this, man.

Quote from: brotherhood of the dome on April 03, 2018, 11:10:28 PM

Don't trust  aircraft companies such as Qantas and Latam by their claims about flight times. These are liars.

I'm not trusting aircraft companies. I have traveled with a wind up wrist watch that has not been tampered with and a clock on my laptop and also on my phone. My wife was also with me with her own watches. They ALL have confirmed that the flight times are accurate.

This has also been confirmed because they must have a departure time for people to know when to arrive to board the airport and they also must have an arrival time so that my family knows when to pick me up after I've arrived. When i compare the departure time of the flight and the arrival time of the flight they also confirm the flight times.

It was just my recommendation. You're free to agree the truth or close your eyes. If you find a video show full flight of a travel between Chile and Australia, then there will be a possiblity that path it exist. But you may agree only what they claim. You may agree what everyone whatever say.  you can be as pure as a child, and an airline authority can rape you and rob you. It is not important, because you trust him.   breach of confidence  , the cheapest thing nowadays.

I don't take it, thanks.

cahaya is in the ignore list and his arguments aren't important whatever he says, says lie.

It was just my recommendation. You're free to agree the truth or close your eyes. If you find a video show full flight of a travel between Chile and Australia, then there will be a possiblity that path it exist. But you may agree only what they claim. You may agree what everyone whatever say.  you can be as pure as a child, and an airline authority can rape you and rob you. It is not important, because you trust him.   breach of confidence  , the cheapest thing nowadays.

I don't take it, thanks.

I just got done saying I only trust myself and times that I've been able to personally witness and measure while having a third party, using different measuring devices, corroborate my original findings. How does that flat earth explain the flight times that I have personally witnessed and measured?

you said "you can fly between  China to Los Angeles USA in 13" and "Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia in about 14 hours", then I said you the first one is possible but the second one is impossible. If you prove you can, we'll have a point. You may do it by getting video all the flight time in an aircraft. It is possible. I have seen many videos proves tousends of flights by online. But rich Aussies has never took the camera record about this "so called path". So this is a lie. You must prove it, if it was not a lie. Till that time, your claim is worthless. This is technically impossible. It is not compatibled with over 100.000 flights. For example, while you can fly between Sao Paolo to Sydney more than 20 hours; while you can't fly between Melbourne and Chile over 20 hours, you can't fly between Santiago to Sydney in 14 hours. This isn't compatibled with the whole world data. If you really believe you can, so lets do it. I'll be glad to see a great evidence that denies all of historical data!

But rich Aussies has never took the camera record about this "so called path".

Most of them don't care if you believe it or not.
This one still offered you the info.
Take it or leave it.

Quote from: brotherhood of the dome on April 06, 2018, 12:50:32 AM

But rich Aussies has never took the camera record about this "so called path".

Most of them don't care if you believe it or not.
This one still offered you the info.
Take it or leave it.

It is still not an info, just a lie. If info, but wrong info.

I'll be glad to see a great evidence that denies all of historical data!

I'm glad that you have an open mind!

As additional evidence I was also able to look up nonstop flight from santiago to sydney. I'm not looking at flight times. Those can easily be made up or a lie.

Each flight has 2 things:


1. A departure time. (So that you know when you need to be at the airport to board the plane.)
This is hard to lie about or fabricate you would arrive way before the plane took off or way after the plane took off.

2. An arrival time. (so that people know when to pick you up from the airport)
This is hard to lie about or fabricate my family or taxi driver would be at the airport to pick me up and i wouldn't be there.

you said "you can fly between  China to Los Angeles USA in 13" and "Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia in about 14 hours", then I said you the first one is possible but the second one is impossible.

This is great! This is EXACTLY why i came here. I have taken 2 things from this statement.

1. We can agree that China to LA flight is about 13 hours. (awesome)
2. The Chile to Sydney flight is not 14 hours. (great feedback and thank you!)

If the Chile Sydney flight times are not really 14 hours then, based on your research, how long is that flight?

But rich Aussies has never took the camera record about this "so called path". So this is a lie. You must prove it, if it was not a lie.

Just because someone "records" something with a camera does not mean that it's Proof.

you said "you can fly between  China to Los Angeles USA in 13" and "Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia in about 14 hours", then I said you the first one is possible but the second one is impossible. If you prove you can, we'll have a point. You may do it by getting video all the flight time in an aircraft. It is possible. I have seen many videos proves tousends of flights by online. But rich Aussies has never took the camera record about this "so called path". So this is a lie. You must prove it, if it was not a lie. Till that time, your claim is worthless. This is technically impossible. It is not compatibled with over 100.000 flights. For example, while you can fly between Sao Paolo to Sydney more than 20 hours; while you can't fly between Melbourne and Chile over 20 hours, you can't fly between Santiago to Sydney in 14 hours. This isn't compatibled with the whole world data. If you really believe you can, so lets do it. I'll be glad to see a great evidence that denies all of historical data!

Try to be honest with your comparisons for once Mr Brotherhood of the Dome!
There are no direct flights from either Sao Paolo to Sydney or between Melbourne and Chile but there are direct flights between Santiago to Sydney.

Hence you can fly between Bejing China to Los Angeles USA in 13 hours and "from Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia in about 14 hours".

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And, whatever you claim, the QANTAS flight from Santiago to Sydney is real. If you claim otherwise you are simply incorrect.

Just take a look! That flight is tracked from almost Antarctica to New Zealand.
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Stop trying to deceive everybody - it just makes you look ignorant!

The simple answer is that the so-called "flat earth map"(the one centered on the North Pole with the "ice ring" around the edge) is really The North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the Globe.
It is useful for many purposes, but distances south of the equator are distorted.
For example, many amateur radio operators use AEP's centered on their "QTH" (home location) to tell them in what direction to point their antennas, such as if a "ham" in San Francisco wants to talk to a "ham" in London.

Any "flat", or sheet map, is going to have some distortions in some areas, according to whether it is a Mercator Projection or any other type of Projection of the Globe. That is why maps of small areas, such Aeronautic or Oceanic Sectional Charts are used to miminize the distortion.

Take a look at the shape of Australia on the AEP.. That should tell you something.

There is no such thing as an accurate flat earth map because the earth is not flat . The earth is a globe.

The airlines are not lying. The figures are true.
Brotherhood, you might just as well say that all the Air Traffic Control Agencies and Administrations in the world , such as the Federal Aviation Administration in the United States,  are liars. They are the ones who regulate and keep records of these flight times.

American High Schools give "Letter Jackets" to those who get on the football teams for example. I think brotherhood should issue "Letter Jackets" to all those who make his "ignore(or liar) lists" ! 😆
How about an "I" Jacket for those on the "Ignore List" and an "L"  Jacket for the "Liars" ? 😊

Quote from: brotherhood of the dome on April 06, 2018, 12:50:32 AM

you said "you can fly between  China to Los Angeles USA in 13" and "Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia in about 14 hours", then I said you the first one is possible but the second one is impossible. If you prove you can, we'll have a point. You may do it by getting video all the flight time in an aircraft. It is possible. I have seen many videos proves tousends of flights by online. But rich Aussies has never took the camera record about this "so called path". So this is a lie. You must prove it, if it was not a lie. Till that time, your claim is worthless. This is technically impossible. It is not compatibled with over 100.000 flights. For example, while you can fly between Sao Paolo to Sydney more than 20 hours; while you can't fly between Melbourne and Chile over 20 hours, you can't fly between Santiago to Sydney in 14 hours. This isn't compatibled with the whole world data. If you really believe you can, so lets do it. I'll be glad to see a great evidence that denies all of historical data!

Try to be honest with your comparisons for once Mr Brotherhood of the Dome!
There are no direct flights from either Sao Paolo to Sydney or between Melbourne and Chile but there are direct flights between Santiago to Sydney.

Hence you can fly between Bejing China to Los Angeles USA in 13 hours and "from Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia in about 14 hours".

Quote from: rabinoz on February 11, 2018, 04:37:37 PM

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And, whatever you claim, the QANTAS flight from Santiago to Sydney is real. If you claim otherwise you are simply incorrect.

Just take a look! That flight is tracked from almost Antarctica to New Zealand.
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Stop trying to deceive everybody - it just makes you look ignorant!

I've been on this website for some time. Brotherhood (AKA intikam) has been doing a good job of doing that.😆

Quote from: Cahaya on March 14, 2018, 01:03:04 AM

You can follow flights like these on https://www.flightradar24.com

You'll see that the routings these flights take are not anywhere close to what your map would suggest they needed to be. You can see the altitude and heading (track to be completely accurate)

Many aircraft are equipped with ADS-B (automatic dependent surveillance-broadcast) though it is only a requirement in a few places.

You cannot "follow," the supposed Sydney to Santiago flight.

Well you could have a friend watch the aircraft depart and you could be on the other end to watch the aircraft land.

Quote from: Macarios on April 06, 2018, 01:34:28 AM

Quote from: brotherhood of the dome on April 06, 2018, 12:50:32 AM

But rich Aussies has never took the camera record about this "so called path".

Most of them don't care if you believe it or not.
This one still offered you the info.
Take it or leave it.

It is still not an info, just a lie. If info, but wrong info.

What are the flat earth flight times for these flights.