Antarctica

Hello all. I am making this post on behalf of a friend. He is a devoted religious flat earth believer. And I am a globe head. We have debated pretty much all points of topic on the issue. For the most part to a stalemate. Has anyone ever changed anyone’s mind on the internet lol.

I do kind of have him cornered on one issue though. And he truly believes his life would be in danger if he were to try this experiment and prove it correct in favor of flat earth theory. This me joining this site. This is an extremely easy experiment that does not require a lot of money, relative to proving us globe heads wrong, completely and undeniably.

To be clear this is only for the flat earth believers that believe in Antarctica being a ring around the world.

Experiment:
According to most flat earth believers you can see a ship sail away forever as long as you have a big enough telescope. Or at the very least for 1000s of km.
Based on that fact and the fact that Hawaii is a rough 2000 km from Antarctica (on the flat earth maps I could find)
Why not stand on a mountain top and film via telescope the Great Wall that is Antarctica? Why has no one done this? It is undeniable proof seeing as from a globe heads perspective you could never see Antarctica from Hawaii. Live alone a gigantic ice wall.
This experiment could also be done from Vancouver, L.A, Mexico, Singapore, New Zealand to name a few. Just not Australia or Argentina seeing is that is where globe heads believe it is.

Alternatively why not rent a plane and show Pacific Ocean, ice wall, nothing but deep black space. And I don’t want to hear “the government will shot the plane down” that is a solid cop out.
So that’s my question and the gauntlet has been tossed down. It’s simple it’s easy and it would be undeniable proof...
Prove me wrong!

I would personally do this myself. Flat earthers are way to strong in seeing reality from a globe heads point of view and you would all just say I made the video up and I am “in” on it. So it needs to be done by a flat earther.

... the fact that Hawaii is a rough 2000 km from Antarctica (on the flat earth maps I could find)

Which maps are these? There have been several "flat earth" maps presented, none work, but I don't think I've seen any claiming that particular "fact". Maybe some of Brotherhood of the Dome's "maps" do, but who can tell? 

Hello all. I am making this post on behalf of a friend. He is a devoted religious flat earth believer. And I am a globe head. We have debated pretty much all points of topic on the issue. For the most part to a stalemate. Has anyone ever changed anyone’s mind on the internet lol.

I do kind of have him cornered on one issue though. And he truly believes his life would be in danger if he were to try this experiment and prove it correct in favor of flat earth theory. This me joining this site. This is an extremely easy experiment that does not require a lot of money, relative to proving us globe heads wrong, completely and undeniably.

To be clear this is only for the flat earth believers that believe in Antarctica being a ring around the world.

Experiment:
According to most flat earth believers you can see a ship sail away forever as long as you have a big enough telescope. Or at the very least for 1000s of km.
Based on that fact and the fact that Hawaii is a rough 2000 km from Antarctica (on the flat earth maps I could find)

I don't think that you will find any flat earth believers on this site that would claim you can see Hawaii from anything like that distance.

Whatever shape earth you believe, there is a fundamental limit to the visibility through even the cleanest air of roughly 300 km, the Rayleigh scattering limit.
See Wikipedia, Rayleigh scattering. Rayleigh scattering is heavily dependent on wavelength, so the visibility to infra-red can be much greater.

Also under suitable conditions, such as a very bright or contrasty source, the limit can be exceeded.

You might find this interesting, a photograph over 443 km that is readily explainable on the Globe earth:

Quote from: anonimouser on November 06, 2017, 11:57:13 AM

don't know if anyone has seen or post this yet.

https://beyondhorizons.eu/2016/08/03/pic-de-finestrelles-pic-gaspard-ecrins-443-km/

Yes, it came up in August this year.
I gave an answer in My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth « Reply #89 on: August 03, 2017, 10:02:21 AM ».

It has also been discussed, better than I ever could in, Metabunk, Explained: 443 km distance- mountains visible.

Viewing distance as a debating point is fraught with hazards.

 

Well I’m not here to argue viewing distance. In fact I agree with what is said above. This would not change the experiment or the challenge. If a flat earthers do not believe standing on a mountain and using a great telescope would work. Then simply get in a plane, fly out to sea south by south west. At a 45 degree angle. At SOME POINT you should be able to see this Antarctica ring road and document it!

As a globe head I know you won’t find it. I’ve already been on a plane that flew from North America at that heading, and we hit Australia, which was our destination. This also would not be possible according to the flat earth map. You should hit Antarctica then nothing.
Funny how easy this would be, and how undeniable the proof would be. Yet no one does it! because you can’t! Not because it wouldn’t be physically possible to achieve via plane. But Because you won’t find this Antarctica ice wall...

FE is mostly content with YouTube videos. Legwork and/or expenses are frowned upon.

Hello all. I am making this post on behalf of a friend. He is a devoted religious flat earth believer. And I am a globe head. We have debated pretty much all points of topic on the issue. For the most part to a stalemate. Has anyone ever changed anyone’s mind on the internet lol.

I do kind of have him cornered on one issue though. And he truly believes his life would be in danger if he were to try this experiment and prove it correct in favor of flat earth theory. This me joining this site. This is an extremely easy experiment that does not require a lot of money, relative to proving us globe heads wrong, completely and undeniably.

To be clear this is only for the flat earth believers that believe in Antarctica being a ring around the world.

Experiment:
According to most flat earth believers you can see a ship sail away forever as long as you have a big enough telescope. Or at the very least for 1000s of km.
Based on that fact and the fact that Hawaii is a rough 2000 km from Antarctica (on the flat earth maps I could find)
Why not stand on a mountain top and film via telescope the Great Wall that is Antarctica? Why has no one done this? It is undeniable proof seeing as from a globe heads perspective you could never see Antarctica from Hawaii. Live alone a gigantic ice wall.
This experiment could also be done from Vancouver, L.A, Mexico, Singapore, New Zealand to name a few. Just not Australia or Argentina seeing is that is where globe heads believe it is.

Alternatively why not rent a plane and show Pacific Ocean, ice wall, nothing but deep black space. And I don’t want to hear “the government will shot the plane down” that is a solid cop out.
So that’s my question and the gauntlet has been tossed down. It’s simple it’s easy and it would be undeniable proof...
Prove me wrong!

I would personally do this myself. Flat earthers are way to strong in seeing reality from a globe heads point of view and you would all just say I made the video up and I am “in” on it. So it needs to be done by a flat earther.

1- Your experiment does not work. Because your distance of view is limited with your limit of sight distance. So that, you can't see a ship till to infinity. the intervening substances prevent it. Think of it like a mist. the visibility of the dense mist is small. If there is no fog, the view is farther away, but it is never infinite. no matter how clear the weather is, there is always matter and when it is added in succession it turns into a wall prevent you see beyond it.

2- Antarctica's can't seem from Hawai is your theory. None of us tried to do this. Perhaps, it may be possible.

If you make a convincing video, why should us deny it? All flat earth believers here are scientific thinkers and smart ones. We are not as fool as round heads. But you know that, you can't do it except you add it a hoax. So that, you can't do it.

As a last thing; you asked some questions as a round head to flat earth believers but the first replier was a round head like you. Although sounds like this is a so called discussion that you round heads pre agreed on it; I wrote my opinions. So that, I don't want anymore a part of this nonsence discussing. Have fun!

Quote from: Sandwich 101 on February 26, 2018, 04:47:53 PM

Hello all. I am making this post on behalf of a friend. He is a devoted religious flat earth believer. And I am a globe head. We have debated pretty much all points of topic on the issue. For the most part to a stalemate. Has anyone ever changed anyone’s mind on the internet lol.

I do kind of have him cornered on one issue though. And he truly believes his life would be in danger if he were to try this experiment and prove it correct in favor of flat earth theory. This me joining this site. This is an extremely easy experiment that does not require a lot of money, relative to proving us globe heads wrong, completely and undeniably.

To be clear this is only for the flat earth believers that believe in Antarctica being a ring around the world.

Experiment:
According to most flat earth believers you can see a ship sail away forever as long as you have a big enough telescope. Or at the very least for 1000s of km.
Based on that fact and the fact that Hawaii is a rough 2000 km from Antarctica (on the flat earth maps I could find)
Why not stand on a mountain top and film via telescope the Great Wall that is Antarctica? Why has no one done this? It is undeniable proof seeing as from a globe heads perspective you could never see Antarctica from Hawaii. Live alone a gigantic ice wall.
This experiment could also be done from Vancouver, L.A, Mexico, Singapore, New Zealand to name a few. Just not Australia or Argentina seeing is that is where globe heads believe it is.

Alternatively why not rent a plane and show Pacific Ocean, ice wall, nothing but deep black space. And I don’t want to hear “the government will shot the plane down” that is a solid cop out.
So that’s my question and the gauntlet has been tossed down. It’s simple it’s easy and it would be undeniable proof...
Prove me wrong!

I would personally do this myself. Flat earthers are way to strong in seeing reality from a globe heads point of view and you would all just say I made the video up and I am “in” on it. So it needs to be done by a flat earther.

1- Your experiment does not work. Because your distance of view is limited with your limit of sight distance. So that, you can't see a ship till to infinity. the intervening substances prevent it. Think of it like a mist. the visibility of the dense mist is small. If there is no fog, the view is farther away, but it is never infinite. no matter how clear the weather is, there is always matter and when it is added in succession it turns into a wall prevent you see beyond it.

2- Antarctica's can't seem from Hawai is your theory. None of us tried to do this. Perhaps, it may be possible.

If you make a convincing video, why should us deny it? All flat earth believers here are scientific thinkers and smart ones. We are not as fool as round heads. But you know that, you can't do it except you add it a hoax. So that, you can't do it.

As a last thing; you asked some questions as a round head to flat earth believers but the first replier was a round head like you. Although sounds like this is a so called discussion that you round heads pre agreed on it; I wrote my opinions. So that, I don't want anymore a part of this nonsence discussing. Have fun!

You ignored the part about renting an airplane and flying South. I've mentioned in a different thread about doing exactly that. The costs aren't unfeasible for a crowd-funding exercise. Imagine the press interest in the FES organising such an expedition? So the possibility of sponsorship would exist as well. Now in my view Hawaii isn't the best place to fly from but that's just a minor detail at this stage.

Hello all. I am making this post on behalf of a friend. He is a devoted religious flat earth believer. And I am a globe head. We have debated pretty much all points of topic on the issue. For the most part to a stalemate. Has anyone ever changed anyone’s mind on the internet lol.

I do kind of have him cornered on one issue though. And he truly believes his life would be in danger if he were to try this experiment and prove it correct in favor of flat earth theory. This me joining this site. This is an extremely easy experiment that does not require a lot of money, relative to proving us globe heads wrong, completely and undeniably.

To be clear this is only for the flat earth believers that believe in Antarctica being a ring around the world.

Experiment:
According to most flat earth believers you can see a ship sail away forever as long as you have a big enough telescope. Or at the very least for 1000s of km.
Based on that fact and the fact that Hawaii is a rough 2000 km from Antarctica (on the flat earth maps I could find)
Why not stand on a mountain top and film via telescope the Great Wall that is Antarctica? Why has no one done this? It is undeniable proof seeing as from a globe heads perspective you could never see Antarctica from Hawaii. Live alone a gigantic ice wall.
This experiment could also be done from Vancouver, L.A, Mexico, Singapore, New Zealand to name a few. Just not Australia or Argentina seeing is that is where globe heads believe it is.

Alternatively why not rent a plane and show Pacific Ocean, ice wall, nothing but deep black space. And I don’t want to hear “the government will shot the plane down” that is a solid cop out.
So that’s my question and the gauntlet has been tossed down. It’s simple it’s easy and it would be undeniable proof...
Prove me wrong!

I would personally do this myself. Flat earthers are way to strong in seeing reality from a globe heads point of view and you would all just say I made the video up and I am “in” on it. So it needs to be done by a flat earther.

Flat Earthers already developed defense against that.
It is either "light doesn't propagate indefinitely", or "atmospheric conditions won't let you see too far if your line of sight is too close to the ground".

Stars can be clearly seen on the horizon, (on a cloud free night). Stars are further away than any point on earth.

And that’s the way it goes. I have talked to many flat earth believers that do say you can see a ship sail away forever.
If that’s is not the case, which us round earth believers would agree. Then a plane is the only way to document this. As mentioned above very easy to do. And would be undeniable proof. Yet it hasn’t and will never be done. There is not going to be a “refraction of light” or mist or line of sight problems from 20,000 ft..

Flat earthers do not believe anything from round earthers posted to prove it’s round. I could send you a bunch of links to you tube showing the u2 spy plane flying at 72,000 ft with curvature out the ying yang. Buuut it’s “always fake” NASA playing their tricks again.
This is why a flat earther has to do this. And never will...

My proposal would include members of all sides of the debate

Quote from: Sandwich 101 on February 26, 2018, 04:47:53 PM

Hello all. I am making this post on behalf of a friend. He is a devoted religious flat earth believer. And I am a globe head. We have debated pretty much all points of topic on the issue. For the most part to a stalemate. Has anyone ever changed anyone’s mind on the internet lol.

I do kind of have him cornered on one issue though. And he truly believes his life would be in danger if he were to try this experiment and prove it correct in favor of flat earth theory. This me joining this site. This is an extremely easy experiment that does not require a lot of money, relative to proving us globe heads wrong, completely and undeniably.

To be clear this is only for the flat earth believers that believe in Antarctica being a ring around the world.

Experiment:
According to most flat earth believers you can see a ship sail away forever as long as you have a big enough telescope. Or at the very least for 1000s of km.
Based on that fact and the fact that Hawaii is a rough 2000 km from Antarctica (on the flat earth maps I could find)
Why not stand on a mountain top and film via telescope the Great Wall that is Antarctica? Why has no one done this? It is undeniable proof seeing as from a globe heads perspective you could never see Antarctica from Hawaii. Live alone a gigantic ice wall.
This experiment could also be done from Vancouver, L.A, Mexico, Singapore, New Zealand to name a few. Just not Australia or Argentina seeing is that is where globe heads believe it is.

Alternatively why not rent a plane and show Pacific Ocean, ice wall, nothing but deep black space. And I don’t want to hear “the government will shot the plane down” that is a solid cop out.
So that’s my question and the gauntlet has been tossed down. It’s simple it’s easy and it would be undeniable proof...
Prove me wrong!

I would personally do this myself. Flat earthers are way to strong in seeing reality from a globe heads point of view and you would all just say I made the video up and I am “in” on it. So it needs to be done by a flat earther.

Flat Earthers already developed defense against that.
It is either "light doesn't propagate indefinitely", or "atmospheric conditions won't let you see too far if your line of sight is too close to the ground".

Correction: It's "atmoplanic" conditions.

Stars can be clearly seen on the horizon, (on a cloud free night). Stars are further away than any point on earth.

Just a note of historical trivia.
Survivors on the lifeboats involved in the RMS Titanic sinking reported seeing stars rising and setting on the horizon.

Hello all. I am making this post on behalf of a friend. He is a devoted religious flat earth believer. And I am a globe head. We have debated pretty much all points of topic on the issue. For the most part to a stalemate. Has anyone ever changed anyone’s mind on the internet lol.

I do kind of have him cornered on one issue though. And he truly believes his life would be in danger if he were to try this experiment and prove it correct in favor of flat earth theory. This me joining this site. This is an extremely easy experiment that does not require a lot of money, relative to proving us globe heads wrong, completely and undeniably.

To be clear this is only for the flat earth believers that believe in Antarctica being a ring around the world.

Experiment:
According to most flat earth believers you can see a ship sail away forever as long as you have a big enough telescope. Or at the very least for 1000s of km.
Based on that fact and the fact that Hawaii is a rough 2000 km from Antarctica (on the flat earth maps I could find)
Why not stand on a mountain top and film via telescope the Great Wall that is Antarctica? Why has no one done this? It is undeniable proof seeing as from a globe heads perspective you could never see Antarctica from Hawaii. Live alone a gigantic ice wall.
This experiment could also be done from Vancouver, L.A, Mexico, Singapore, New Zealand to name a few. Just not Australia or Argentina seeing is that is where globe heads believe it is.

Alternatively why not rent a plane and show Pacific Ocean, ice wall, nothing but deep black space. And I don’t want to hear “the government will shot the plane down” that is a solid cop out.
So that’s my question and the gauntlet has been tossed down. It’s simple it’s easy and it would be undeniable proof...
Prove me wrong!

I would personally do this myself. Flat earthers are way to strong in seeing reality from a globe heads point of view and you would all just say I made the video up and I am “in” on it. So it needs to be done by a flat earther.

Antarctica has been explored, visited, surveyed, mapped and even photographed from outer space and shown to be a distinct continent.
But all that flat earth has to say about this  is that all of this is "fake" or "photoshopped."

I beieve this is  a liittle about seeing the ship forever with a powerful enough telescope.:
Truth of the mattter is that the earth is the shape of a sphere (or globe),  and has a curvature which limits the distance to the horizon.
Ships disappear as they pass beyond this horizon, with the hull first disapearing first and the last thing to be seen are the tops of the masts of the ship.
FE says the ship just gets so far away it gets so small you can not see it with the naked eye, but can be "restored to full view with a telescope."
This is true IF you watch the ship before it passes over and beyond the horizon.
But there is no way you can "restore" it once it has passed over the horizon.

There is also the question of whether there would even be a horizon lf the earth was flat since there would be no curvature if the earth was flat.

With a radical decision, I have a decision as I'll post only one post topics in this category. Because after my post, numereous globe childs are starting to ask questions like they in a kindergarden. So that, I'll not post more than one in a topic such as this category.

With a radical decision, I have a decision as I'll post only one post topics in this category. Because after my post, numereous globe childs are starting to ask questions like they in a kindergarden. So that, I'll not post more than one in a topic such as this category.

Probably a wise decision since you refuse to answer direct questions that threaten your little bubble of a life

Speaking of life bubbles. The truth really is stranger than fiction. Look into Antarctica, there's a little more than reason to think there's black budget programs running there. Most likely alternative propulsion / energy systems.



Lol fitbit watches.

I should probably avoid the upper flora before I get banned.

See now that stuff is cool! I  am a bit of a conspiracy nut. And love the works of graham Hancock. It is not humans first go at some very strong technology. Maybe even different tech? So I am not aposed to out side the box thinking. But this flat earth stuff has to stop.

Hey flat earth believers, are you mad at that statement? Cool then prove me wrong! Do what I ask of you! Beg of you! Prove me wrong! Show me Antarctica as a wall around the great Pacific Ocean, from Hawaii or from Singapore or from Alaska. As long as you don’t pick east Australia, bottom of  Africa, or Argentina because then you’d just show us actual Antarctica. And be like “See!!” Um yeah that’s just Antarctica, kinda the biggest continent on the planet...

I can keep asking and begging for this footage, heck if I win the lottery I would send an exposition with the top leading flat earth people, and a few celebrities, with just a bunch of people that think flat earth people are silly. And we would set out on a airborne flight to discover the true nature of the plant. Man, i’d even invite Bill Nye and Shaq in two separate u2 spy planes flying at 72,000 feet all videod up with head cams and you tube live feed.

But then I would just be “in” on it right?