Something wrong with Blue marble (AS17-148-22727)

Quote from: totallackey on February 18, 2018, 05:45:49 PM

So, the BLUE MARBLE!

Taken from a distance of 22 thousand kilometers or so through the porthole of the Apollo 17 CSM!

An incomplete portion of a totally sunlit half of the Earth, completely surrounded by "outer space!"

Compared to live color footage of Apollo 11 found in the following video (from 32:00-onward):

Please note once the cardboard cutout is removed from the porthole how the entire Earth fills the porthole...

There is no cardboard cutout.  Sibrel lied to you.  He lied about it being classified footage. He lied about it being a circular window (it was trapezoidal shaped).  And then he cut out part of the footage that proves him wrong.

The globe seen shows current for the time weather patterns and rotation.
described here
http://clavius.org/bibfunny7.html
and continued here
http://clavius.org/bibfunny8.html
but I bet you won't look at the video or read the links

Sibrel did not release the footage or control the footage from Apollo 11 footage 32:00 - on...NASA did.

What does Collins remove from the window? Aldrin's ass? His ass? Your ass?

Quote from: rabinoz on February 18, 2018, 06:59:13 PM

Quote from: totallackey on February 18, 2018, 05:45:49 PM

So, the BLUE MARBLE!

Taken from a distance of 22 thousand kilometers or so through the porthole of the Apollo 17 CSM!

An incomplete portion of a totally sunlit half of the Earth, completely surrounded by "outer space!"

Compared to live color footage of Apollo 11 found in the following video (from 32:00-onward):

Please note once the cardboard cutout is removed from the porthole how the entire Earth fills the porthole...

Who says that "the entire Earth fills the porthole"? Bart Sibrel? If he claimed that the sky was blue, I'd immediately race outside and double check!

So, I'd advise you to double-check all that he claims, such as, "once the cardboard cutout is removed from the porthole how the entire Earth fills the porthole".

Quote

Take a 3D Tour Inside the Apollo 11 Command Module
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Yesterday, we celebrated the 47th anniversary of the Apollo 11 mission, the historic initiative that landed astronauts on the moon. The only part of the Apollo 11 spacecraft to make it back to earth was the command module "Columbia," where astronauts Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Buzz Aldrin lived throughout the eight day mission.

Since its landing on July 24th, 1969, the Columbia has been kept sealed in plexiglass at the Smithsonian Institute in Washington, DC. That is, until recently, when the software company Autodesk was allowed a rare opportunity to use their high-tech 3D scanning equipment to create a simulation of the spacecraft that anyone on the internet can explore.

See interior and exterior in, Take a 3D Tour Inside the Apollo 11 Command Module

Quote from: Popular Mechanics, Take a 3D Tour Inside the Apollo 11 Command Module

So, Mr Total Lacking, are you still going to claim that "once the cardboard cutout is removed from the ( squarish ) porthole how the entire ( squarish ) Earth fills the porthole"?

Tou might (not) be interested in these:

"A Funny Thing..." Moon Conspiracy debunked pt 1 of 2, GreaterSapien

A Funny Thing..." Moon Conspiracy debunked pt 2 of 2,  GreaterSapien

Now what was your problem with "Blue marble (AS17-148-22727)" again?

I am sorry...

Was there something in either of these videos that actually debunks the video I posted?

Sibrel had nothing to do with the footage depicted from 32:00 forward. Came straight from NASA.

Sure, "Sibrel had nothing to do with the footage depicted from 32:00 forward", but he had everything to do with the deceptive with the commentary.

And you so kindly spelled out the heart of the issue, with "Please note once the cardboard cutout is removed from the porthole how the entire Earth fills the porthole..."
I'll move the image of the Apollo 11 Command Module so can see how deceitful those words were. Yes, the images of earth were circular, but the windows of the Apollo 11 Command Module are almost square!
So, if "the entire Earth fills the porthole" the  earth must be square  ! There are many other discrepancies, but look at the videos.

So, those videos are not necessary for that bit, but just to show how deceptive Bart Sibrel really is.

Like to comment on your hero, Bart Sibrel?

Quote from: frenat on February 18, 2018, 08:11:53 PM

Quote from: totallackey on February 18, 2018, 05:45:49 PM

So, the BLUE MARBLE!

Taken from a distance of 22 thousand kilometers or so through the porthole of the Apollo 17 CSM!

An incomplete portion of a totally sunlit half of the Earth, completely surrounded by "outer space!"

Compared to live color footage of Apollo 11 found in the following video (from 32:00-onward):

Please note once the cardboard cutout is removed from the porthole how the entire Earth fills the porthole...

There is no cardboard cutout.  Sibrel lied to you.  He lied about it being classified footage. He lied about it being a circular window (it was trapezoidal shaped).  And then he cut out part of the footage that proves him wrong.

The globe seen shows current for the time weather patterns and rotation.
described here
http://clavius.org/bibfunny7.html
and continued here
http://clavius.org/bibfunny8.html
but I bet you won't look at the video or read the links

Why would anyone wants to check out the arguments of enthousiastic amatures when it comes to Apollo footage and the blue marble 'through a window ' ?
While the realworld award winning experts like David Percy and his fantastic aulis site, Massimo Mazzucco and Marcus Allen (also a former professional photographer contrary to the amatures at clavius ) put their award winning names at risk !!!!

So who is your award winning photographer who claimed the Apollo footage is 100% genuine ?
Why are there only enthousiastic amatures like Jay Windley & co defending the footage ?
Ready to give me some real names in defence of the Apollo footage ?
And 'lightguy' will not cut it !

Well, would you look at that, appealing to authority only when is convenient for your argument, and not only that, but the authority of someone that has nothing to do with Earth's shape...You need to up you game dutchy, because this is too lame, even for you

Sure, "Sibrel had nothing to do with the footage depicted from 32:00 forward", but he had everything to do with the deceptive with the commentary.

No he didn't.

Sibrel did not even direct the lady narrating the clips.

And you so kindly spelled out the heart of the issue, with "Please note once the cardboard cutout is removed from the porthole how the entire Earth fills the porthole..."
I'll move the image of the Apollo 11 Command Module so can see how deceitful those words were.

Yes, the images of earth were circular, but the windows of the Apollo 11 Command Module are almost square!
So, if "the entire Earth fills the porthole" the  earth must be square  ! There are many other discrepancies, but look at the videos.

Horse hockey.

You are now shitposting the use of the word "porthole," as if that denotes or implies shape, when it does not.

The entire Earth cannot even be seen from LEO, which is exactly where the images in question were taken.

It fills the entire WINDOW, regardless of shape.

Collins placed some kind of insert into the porthole to give the illusion the Earth was circular. When he remove the cutout, the Earth filled the entire porthole and no discernible shape could be ascertained.

So, those videos are not necessary for that bit, but just to show how deceptive Bart Sibrel really is.

Like to comment on your hero, Bart Sibrel?

Sibrel is not my hero.

Never has been.

I do not idolize humans, as do you.

Quote from: dutchy on February 19, 2018, 12:28:51 AM

Quote from: frenat on February 18, 2018, 08:11:53 PM

Quote from: totallackey on February 18, 2018, 05:45:49 PM

So, the BLUE MARBLE!

Taken from a distance of 22 thousand kilometers or so through the porthole of the Apollo 17 CSM!

An incomplete portion of a totally sunlit half of the Earth, completely surrounded by "outer space!"

Compared to live color footage of Apollo 11 found in the following video (from 32:00-onward):

Please note once the cardboard cutout is removed from the porthole how the entire Earth fills the porthole...

There is no cardboard cutout.  Sibrel lied to you.  He lied about it being classified footage. He lied about it being a circular window (it was trapezoidal shaped).  And then he cut out part of the footage that proves him wrong.

The globe seen shows current for the time weather patterns and rotation.
described here
http://clavius.org/bibfunny7.html
and continued here
http://clavius.org/bibfunny8.html
but I bet you won't look at the video or read the links

Why would anyone wants to check out the arguments of enthousiastic amatures when it comes to Apollo footage and the blue marble 'through a window ' ?
While the realworld award winning experts like David Percy and his fantastic aulis site, Massimo Mazzucco and Marcus Allen (also a former professional photographer contrary to the amatures at clavius ) put their award winning names at risk !!!!

So who is your award winning photographer who claimed the Apollo footage is 100% genuine ?
Why are there only enthousiastic amatures like Jay Windley & co defending the footage ?
Ready to give me some real names in defence of the Apollo footage ?
And 'lightguy' will not cut it !

Well, would you look at that, appealing to authority only when is convenient for your argument, and not only that, but the authority of someone that has nothing to do with Earth's shape...You need to up you game dutchy, because this is too lame, even for you

Our dutchy loves his redicule and his enthousiastic amatures!

But that "lightguy" that dutchy claims "won't cut it" is from NVIDIA and if anyone knows anything about lighting is would be NVIDIA! Taka a look:

Quote from: frenat on February 18, 2018, 08:11:53 PM

Quote from: totallackey on February 18, 2018, 05:45:49 PM

So, the BLUE MARBLE!

Taken from a distance of 22 thousand kilometers or so through the porthole of the Apollo 17 CSM!

An incomplete portion of a totally sunlit half of the Earth, completely surrounded by "outer space!"

Compared to live color footage of Apollo 11 found in the following video (from 32:00-onward):

Please note once the cardboard cutout is removed from the porthole how the entire Earth fills the porthole...

There is no cardboard cutout.  Sibrel lied to you.  He lied about it being classified footage. He lied about it being a circular window (it was trapezoidal shaped).  And then he cut out part of the footage that proves him wrong.

The globe seen shows current for the time weather patterns and rotation.
described here
http://clavius.org/bibfunny7.html
and continued here
http://clavius.org/bibfunny8.html
but I bet you won't look at the video or read the links

Why would anyone wants to check out the arguments of enthousiastic amatures when it comes to Apollo footage and the blue marble 'through a window ' ?

Because they might actually be open minded and want to learn that Sibrel did nothing but lie and his suggestions on how the footage was done don't work.  Everyone knows that doesn't include you so you can go back to sleep.

While the realworld award winning experts like David Percy and his fantastic aulis site, Massimo Mazzucco and Marcus Allen (also a former professional photographer contrary to the amatures at clavius ) put their award winning names at risk !!!!

You think they are experts?  That says a lot.

So who is your award winning photographer who claimed the Apollo footage is 100% genuine ?

Strawman much?  Please show where I claimed anyone said it is all 100% genuine.

Why are there only enthousiastic amatures like Jay Windley & co defending the footage ?
Ready to give me some real names in defence of the Apollo footage ?
And 'lightguy' will not cut it !

Sure.  Let me get right on that.  I'll do a whole bunch of work for you to promptly ignore.  Maybe, if you can show you won't just immediately dismiss everything I might be tempted to bother.  But based on your track record, I doubt it.  In case you didn't notice, I wasn't responding to you in the first place.
But hey, thanks for proving you didn't bother to look at anything posted.

Quote from: frenat on February 18, 2018, 08:11:53 PM

Quote from: totallackey on February 18, 2018, 05:45:49 PM

So, the BLUE MARBLE!

Taken from a distance of 22 thousand kilometers or so through the porthole of the Apollo 17 CSM!

An incomplete portion of a totally sunlit half of the Earth, completely surrounded by "outer space!"

Compared to live color footage of Apollo 11 found in the following video (from 32:00-onward):

Please note once the cardboard cutout is removed from the porthole how the entire Earth fills the porthole...

There is no cardboard cutout.  Sibrel lied to you.  He lied about it being classified footage. He lied about it being a circular window (it was trapezoidal shaped).  And then he cut out part of the footage that proves him wrong.

The globe seen shows current for the time weather patterns and rotation.
described here
http://clavius.org/bibfunny7.html
and continued here
http://clavius.org/bibfunny8.html
but I bet you won't look at the video or read the links

Sibrel did not release the footage or control the footage from Apollo 11 footage 32:00 - on...NASA did.

What does Collins remove from the window? Aldrin's ass? His ass? Your ass?

NASA released all of it.  Most of it was broadcast live at the time.  Sibrel lied about it being classified.
Sibrel cut out the part of the footage that shows them moving back from the window.   Nothing was in the window.  A cardboard cutout would not provide the effect claimed.  Sibrel lied to you and you bought it.

Here you can find EUMETSAT geostationary satellite images for any day since August 1981.
Just set the calendar on the left, and wait for a second or two for the page to refresh.
Early decade images were B/W.

http://pics.eumetsat.int/viewer/index.html

NASA released all of it.  Most of it was broadcast live at the time.  Sibrel lied about it being classified.
Sibrel cut out the part of the footage that shows them moving back from the window.   Nothing was in the window.  A cardboard cutout would not provide the effect claimed.  Sibrel lied to you and you bought it.

frenat, quit behaving like a disingenuous asshat.

It is right there in the video.

The entire module is blacked out.

Collins clearly removes something from the window.

A cutout of any material would provide the effect exactly as stated in the video.

The entire Earth cannot even be seen from LEO, which is exactly where the images in question were taken.

Nope.  Current weather was shown matching the whole globe. Not possible from LEO.

It fills the entire WINDOW, regardless of shape.

It does not.  It moves around in the window.  The claim that an astronaut's arm gets in front of it is when you see the edge of the window.

Collins placed some kind of insert into the porthole to give the illusion the Earth was circular. When he remove the cutout, the Earth filled the entire porthole and no discernible shape could be ascertained.

Nope.  Nothing placed in the window.  Again, the image moves around in the window when the camera is moved.  When the camera is moved back (part that was cut out deceptively by Sibrel) and the iris was opened and the inside lights brought up, there is a glare on the window.

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 06:54:06 AM

NASA released all of it.  Most of it was broadcast live at the time.  Sibrel lied about it being classified.
Sibrel cut out the part of the footage that shows them moving back from the window.   Nothing was in the window.  A cardboard cutout would not provide the effect claimed.  Sibrel lied to you and you bought it.

frenat, quit behaving like a disingenuous asshat.

It is right there in the video.

The entire module is blacked out.

Collins clearly removes something from the window.

A cutout of any material would provide the effect exactly as stated in the video.

the lights are down.  There is nothing in the window.  A cutout would NOT allow a viewing of full globe weather from LEO.  It would not stop the quick rotation that should be seen in LEO.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

The entire Earth cannot even be seen from LEO, which is exactly where the images in question were taken.

Nope.  Current weather was shown matching the whole globe. Not possible from LEO.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

It fills the entire WINDOW, regardless of shape.

It does not.  It moves around in the window.  The claim that an astronaut's arm gets in front of it is when you see the edge of the window.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

Collins placed some kind of insert into the porthole to give the illusion the Earth was circular. When he remove the cutout, the Earth filled the entire porthole and no discernible shape could be ascertained.

Nope.  Nothing placed in the window.  Again, the image moves around in the window when the camera is moved.  When the camera is moved back (part that was cut out deceptively by Sibrel) and the iris was opened and the inside lights brought up, there is a glare on the window.

Every single word of your reply is not true.

In addition, the portion in question was never released for broadcast.

As far as "broadcast live," is concerned, the feed was never released to broadcast stations. If a network wanted to transmit visual coverage, they needed to be in place at Houston, with a camera, pointed at a large monitor.

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 07:13:49 AM

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

The entire Earth cannot even be seen from LEO, which is exactly where the images in question were taken.

Nope.  Current weather was shown matching the whole globe. Not possible from LEO.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

It fills the entire WINDOW, regardless of shape.

It does not.  It moves around in the window.  The claim that an astronaut's arm gets in front of it is when you see the edge of the window.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

Collins placed some kind of insert into the porthole to give the illusion the Earth was circular. When he remove the cutout, the Earth filled the entire porthole and no discernible shape could be ascertained.

Nope.  Nothing placed in the window.  Again, the image moves around in the window when the camera is moved.  When the camera is moved back (part that was cut out deceptively by Sibrel) and the iris was opened and the inside lights brought up, there is a glare on the window.

Every single word of your reply is not true.

In addition, the portion in question was never released for broadcast.

As far as "broadcast live," is concerned, the feed was never released to broadcast stations. If a network wanted to transmit visual coverage, they needed to be in place at Houston, with a camera, pointed at a large monitor.

Nope.  It does show current weather at the time for the whole globe, not just a portion which would be seen if a cutout was used.  It does move around in the window as the camera is moved.  and there is a glare on the window when the lights are brought up.  I have not lied.

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 07:13:49 AM

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

The entire Earth cannot even be seen from LEO, which is exactly where the images in question were taken.

Nope.  Current weather was shown matching the whole globe. Not possible from LEO.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

It fills the entire WINDOW, regardless of shape.

It does not.  It moves around in the window.  The claim that an astronaut's arm gets in front of it is when you see the edge of the window.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

Collins placed some kind of insert into the porthole to give the illusion the Earth was circular. When he remove the cutout, the Earth filled the entire porthole and no discernible shape could be ascertained.

Nope.  Nothing placed in the window.  Again, the image moves around in the window when the camera is moved.  When the camera is moved back (part that was cut out deceptively by Sibrel) and the iris was opened and the inside lights brought up, there is a glare on the window.

Every single word of your reply is not true.

In addition, the portion in question was never released for broadcast.

As far as "broadcast live," is concerned, the feed was never released to broadcast stations. If a network wanted to transmit visual coverage, they needed to be in place at Houston, with a camera, pointed at a large monitor.

Incorrect! the networks did not have to point their camera at a large monitor, they received a clean feed.

Source: https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/index.html At the bottom of page, section: "Busting myths about the Apollo 11 TV"

Nope.  It does show current weather at the time for the whole globe, not just a portion which would be seen if a cutout was used.  It does move around in the window as the camera is moved.  and there is a glare on the window when the lights are brought up.  I have not lied.

frenat, the entire "globe" was not even shown in the video.

The Earth was depicted as being 3/4 phase in the video.

Only after the cutout was removed from the window does the Earth fill the entire window.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 07:21:12 AM

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 07:13:49 AM

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

The entire Earth cannot even be seen from LEO, which is exactly where the images in question were taken.

Nope.  Current weather was shown matching the whole globe. Not possible from LEO.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

It fills the entire WINDOW, regardless of shape.

It does not.  It moves around in the window.  The claim that an astronaut's arm gets in front of it is when you see the edge of the window.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

Collins placed some kind of insert into the porthole to give the illusion the Earth was circular. When he remove the cutout, the Earth filled the entire porthole and no discernible shape could be ascertained.

Nope.  Nothing placed in the window.  Again, the image moves around in the window when the camera is moved.  When the camera is moved back (part that was cut out deceptively by Sibrel) and the iris was opened and the inside lights brought up, there is a glare on the window.

Every single word of your reply is not true.

In addition, the portion in question was never released for broadcast.

As far as "broadcast live," is concerned, the feed was never released to broadcast stations. If a network wanted to transmit visual coverage, they needed to be in place at Houston, with a camera, pointed at a large monitor.

Incorrect! the networks did not have to point their camera at a large monitor, they received a clean feed.

Source: https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/index.html At the bottom of page, section: "Busting myths about the Apollo 11 TV"

Your source can claim whatever it wants.

I can claim anything I want.

Dueling sources.

Choose.

Quote from: Denspressure on February 19, 2018, 08:40:27 AM

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 07:21:12 AM

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 07:13:49 AM

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

The entire Earth cannot even be seen from LEO, which is exactly where the images in question were taken.

Nope.  Current weather was shown matching the whole globe. Not possible from LEO.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

It fills the entire WINDOW, regardless of shape.

It does not.  It moves around in the window.  The claim that an astronaut's arm gets in front of it is when you see the edge of the window.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

Collins placed some kind of insert into the porthole to give the illusion the Earth was circular. When he remove the cutout, the Earth filled the entire porthole and no discernible shape could be ascertained.

Nope.  Nothing placed in the window.  Again, the image moves around in the window when the camera is moved.  When the camera is moved back (part that was cut out deceptively by Sibrel) and the iris was opened and the inside lights brought up, there is a glare on the window.

Every single word of your reply is not true.

In addition, the portion in question was never released for broadcast.

As far as "broadcast live," is concerned, the feed was never released to broadcast stations. If a network wanted to transmit visual coverage, they needed to be in place at Houston, with a camera, pointed at a large monitor.

Incorrect! the networks did not have to point their camera at a large monitor, they received a clean feed.

Source: https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/index.html At the bottom of page, section: "Busting myths about the Apollo 11 TV"

Your source can claim whatever it wants.

I can claim anything I want.

Dueling sources.

Choose.

Can you list your source?

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 08:42:59 AM

Quote from: Denspressure on February 19, 2018, 08:40:27 AM

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 07:21:12 AM

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 07:13:49 AM

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

The entire Earth cannot even be seen from LEO, which is exactly where the images in question were taken.

Nope.  Current weather was shown matching the whole globe. Not possible from LEO.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

It fills the entire WINDOW, regardless of shape.

It does not.  It moves around in the window.  The claim that an astronaut's arm gets in front of it is when you see the edge of the window.

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 04:53:25 AM

Collins placed some kind of insert into the porthole to give the illusion the Earth was circular. When he remove the cutout, the Earth filled the entire porthole and no discernible shape could be ascertained.

Nope.  Nothing placed in the window.  Again, the image moves around in the window when the camera is moved.  When the camera is moved back (part that was cut out deceptively by Sibrel) and the iris was opened and the inside lights brought up, there is a glare on the window.

Every single word of your reply is not true.

In addition, the portion in question was never released for broadcast.

As far as "broadcast live," is concerned, the feed was never released to broadcast stations. If a network wanted to transmit visual coverage, they needed to be in place at Houston, with a camera, pointed at a large monitor.

Incorrect! the networks did not have to point their camera at a large monitor, they received a clean feed.

Source: https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/index.html At the bottom of page, section: "Busting myths about the Apollo 11 TV"

Your source can claim whatever it wants.

I can claim anything I want.

Dueling sources.

Choose.

Can you list your source?

I provided the video so far.

I will search for more.

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 07:50:50 AM

Nope.  It does show current weather at the time for the whole globe, not just a portion which would be seen if a cutout was used.  It does move around in the window as the camera is moved.  and there is a glare on the window when the lights are brought up.  I have not lied.

frenat, the entire "globe" was not even shown in the video.

The Earth was depicted as being 3/4 phase in the video.

semantics.  the weather shown on 3/4 of the globe matched the then current weather.  Wouldn't have happened if viewing a smaller area in LEO

Only after the cutout was removed from the window does the Earth fill the entire window.

There was no cutout.  The part where it is claimed a cutout is being removed is just somebody moving in front of the camera after the camera has been moved back (the part Sibrel doesn't like to show you).  the window is not filled until it shines with glare (due to a coating on the window IIRC) after the lights are brought up.  At the time they claim something is removed, nothing about the image changed. 

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 08:41:23 AM

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 07:50:50 AM

Nope.  It does show current weather at the time for the whole globe, not just a portion which would be seen if a cutout was used.  It does move around in the window as the camera is moved.  and there is a glare on the window when the lights are brought up.  I have not lied.

frenat, the entire "globe" was not even shown in the video.

The Earth was depicted as being 3/4 phase in the video.

semantics.  the weather shown on 3/4 of the globe matched the then current weather.  Wouldn't have happened if viewing a smaller area in LEO

Oh...so now it is "semantics..."

A person is not capable of seeing 3/4 globe from LEO and there is no way for you to personally identify every weather pattern visible in the video.

There was no cutout.  The part where it is claimed a cutout is being removed is just somebody moving in front of the camera after the camera has been moved back (the part Sibrel doesn't like to show you).  the window is not filled until it shines with glare (due to a coating on the window IIRC) after the lights are brought up.  At the time they claim something is removed, nothing about the image changed.

You can keep typing this all you want.

It does not change the fact Collins is shown in the video removing something from the window at which point the Earth ceases to be depicted at 3/4 and fills the entire window.

Only possible from LEO.

Stop behaving like a total jack ass and quit typing blatant lies.

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 09:07:34 AM

Quote from: totallackey on February 19, 2018, 08:41:23 AM

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 07:50:50 AM

Nope.  It does show current weather at the time for the whole globe, not just a portion which would be seen if a cutout was used.  It does move around in the window as the camera is moved.  and there is a glare on the window when the lights are brought up.  I have not lied.

frenat, the entire "globe" was not even shown in the video.

The Earth was depicted as being 3/4 phase in the video.

semantics.  the weather shown on 3/4 of the globe matched the then current weather.  Wouldn't have happened if viewing a smaller area in LEO

Oh...so now it is "semantics..."

A person is not capable of seeing 3/4 globe from LEO and there is no way for you to personally identify every weather pattern visible in the video.

As they weren't in LEO there is no issue.  Had it been LEO then what little was seen would not match anything and would move past very quickly.  That is why some hoaxies later made the claim of a transparency being used.  That doesn't work as it was live, the image moves around in the window and there is some rotation seen (though far less than if in LEO)

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 09:07:34 AM

There was no cutout.  The part where it is claimed a cutout is being removed is just somebody moving in front of the camera after the camera has been moved back (the part Sibrel doesn't like to show you).  the window is not filled until it shines with glare (due to a coating on the window IIRC) after the lights are brought up.  At the time they claim something is removed, nothing about the image changed.

You can keep typing this all you want.

It does not change the fact Collins is shown in the video removing something from the window at which point the Earth ceases to be depicted at 3/4 and fills the entire window.

Only possible from LEO.

Stop behaving like a total jack ass and quit typing blatant lies.

Not a lie.  Nothing is removed from the window.  Sibrel TELLS you there is and you believe it without question.  The fact remains that the image moves around in the window as the camera moves and current weather is shown.

As they weren't in LEO there is no issue.  Had it been LEO then what little was seen would not match anything and would move past very quickly.  That is why some hoaxies later made the claim of a transparency being used.  That doesn't work as it was live, the image moves around in the window and there is some rotation seen (though far less than if in LEO)

People can simply watch the footage on this video from 32:00 minutes forward and come to their own conclusion. They will readily see the insert removed from the window. They will readily hear Armstrong state the camera is placed against the window. They will readily see an arm get in between the camera and the window.

They will readily see you a clearly lying.

Not a lie.  Nothing is removed from the window.  Sibrel TELLS you there is and you believe it without question.  The fact remains that the image moves around in the window as the camera moves and current weather is shown.

32:00 forward to about 40:00.


Anyone can clearly see you are lying.

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 09:30:50 AM

As they weren't in LEO there is no issue.  Had it been LEO then what little was seen would not match anything and would move past very quickly.  That is why some hoaxies later made the claim of a transparency being used.  That doesn't work as it was live, the image moves around in the window and there is some rotation seen (though far less than if in LEO)

People can simply watch the footage on this video from 32:00 minutes forward and come to their own conclusion. They will readily see the insert removed from the window. They will readily hear Armstrong state the camera is placed against the window. They will readily see an arm get in between the camera and the window.

They will see those if they watch and listen to the voiceover telling them what to see.  If they watch it without they will not see an insert as there is none and the image moves around in the window.  They'll see the edge of the window briefly get in the way.  On the footage provided by Sibrel they won't see when the camera is clearly moved back from the window because Sibrel doesn't want you to see that so he deceptively cut it out.

They will readily see you a clearly lying.

Still not lying.

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 09:30:50 AM

Not a lie.  Nothing is removed from the window.  Sibrel TELLS you there is and you believe it without question.  The fact remains that the image moves around in the window as the camera moves and current weather is shown.

32:00 forward to about 40:00.


Anyone can clearly see you are lying.

Still not lying.  But thank you for proving you didn't watch either of the videos posted.

the lights are down.  There is nothing in the window.  A cutout would NOT allow a viewing of full globe weather from LEO.  It would not stop the quick rotation that should be seen in LEO.

LMMFAO!

"Quick rotation..."

What quick rotation?

A quick rotation of what?

WTF are you talking about?

Quote from: frenat on February 19, 2018, 07:16:46 AM

the lights are down.  There is nothing in the window.  A cutout would NOT allow a viewing of full globe weather from LEO.  It would not stop the quick rotation that should be seen in LEO.

LMMFAO!

"Quick rotation..."

What quick rotation?

A quick rotation of what?

WTF are you talking about?

LEO has an orbit time of about 90 minutes.  Anything in the window would move past quickly.