Controlled opposition

So as many of you may know, to the likes of ODD and Flat Earth Asshole this forum is considered to be controlled opposition.

I'm my opinion this is complete crap as I have seen far more coherent arguments come out of these chat rooms than ODD's live streams.

I was hoping to get your guys opinions on why this is considered to be controlled opposition.

Round Earth mods and admin running a flat earth society??? Seems legit

Round Earth mods and admin running a flat earth society??? Seems legit

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So as many of you may know, to the likes of ODD and Flat Earth Asshole this forum is considered to be controlled opposition.

I'm my opinion this is complete crap as I have seen far more coherent arguments come out of these chat rooms than ODD's live streams.

I was hoping to get your guys opinions on why this is considered to be controlled opposition.

Likely because it is a place where REers continually refute the FEers without having their posts all magically disappear.
As such, they need some excuse to dismiss it all.

So as many of you may know, to the likes of ODD and Flat Earth Asshole this forum is considered to be controlled opposition.

I'm my opinion this is complete crap as I have seen far more coherent arguments come out of these chat rooms than ODD's live streams.

I was hoping to get your guys opinions on why this is considered to be controlled opposition.

Managements are so, but members are not. Others are considering only management, so they are true. But there is real debate here, and there is even it is compatibled with trending and directional side of the world's general flat movements. although they accused this society although seeing that discussings in society and the prepared videos outside are generally in sync.

Whatever they say, nobody change the facts.

So as many of you may know, to the likes of ODD and Flat Earth Asshole this forum is considered to be controlled opposition.

I'm my opinion this is complete crap as I have seen far more coherent arguments come out of these chat rooms than ODD's live streams.

I was hoping to get your guys opinions on why this is considered to be controlled opposition.

Does it really surprise you that people who are so paranoid as to believe that every scientist, astronaut, astronomer, pilot, surveyor, space agency, etc is conspiring to hide the true shape of the earth would be paranoid this website?

JackBlack summed  it up well, this site allows things counter to their beliefs therefore must be part of the conspiracy necessary for those delusional beliefs.

Quote from: JackSchitt on February 12, 2018, 06:07:57 PM

So as many of you may know, to the likes of ODD and Flat Earth Asshole this forum is considered to be controlled opposition.

I'm my opinion this is complete crap as I have seen far more coherent arguments come out of these chat rooms than ODD's live streams.

I was hoping to get your guys opinions on why this is considered to be controlled opposition.

Does it really surprise you that people who are so paranoid as to believe that every scientist, astronaut, astronomer, pilot, surveyor, space agency, etc is conspiring to hide the true shape of the earth would be paranoid this website?

JackBlack summed  it up well, this site allows things counter to their beliefs therefore must be part of the conspiracy necessary for those delusional beliefs.

For the definition of controlled opposition, in the case of running a flat earth society, the people running would simply need to have counter beliefs. This has been well established. They are not running this society to further its goals. They are running it to make it look like a joke and undermine its values from within

Whether or not you believe it is a joke anyway is beside the point.

For the definition of controlled opposition, in the case of running a flat earth society, the people running would simply need to have counter beliefs. This has been well established. They are not running this society to further its goals. They are running it to make it look like a joke and undermine its values from within

Got any evidence of that?
And I do have evidence!

It would take God himself to tell me how it is. But since I am the next closest thing, good luck with that 

All hail the self-proclaimed authority on everything, Shifter.

Quote from: Shifter on February 13, 2018, 12:25:49 PM

For the definition of controlled opposition, in the case of running a flat earth society, the people running would simply need to have counter beliefs. This has been well established. They are not running this society to further its goals. They are running it to make it look like a joke and undermine its values from within

Got any evidence of that?

Or are we expected to simply accept the word of one who claims to be just below God and presumably above the ArchAngels in importance?

And I do have evidence!

Quote from: Shifter on February 12, 2018, 05:22:40 PM

It would take God himself to tell me how it is. But since I am the next closest thing, good luck with that 

All hail the self-proclaimed authority on everything, Shifter.

SCG and jroa have no belief in the flat earth theory despite their pathetic excuses. Take my word for it  Going through jroas post history shows he was a staunch round earth supporter when he joined. The extent of his flat earth belief is 'look out your window'.

John Davis is also an unbeliever at heart. This society is used as a platform to whore himself to obscure media and radio talkshows no one has really heard of.

If not for the few believers on this site, this place would accomplish its mission at being a parody, nothing more.

I'm on ODD. It is an okay place, better than my discord imo.

This place is good too, but I wish more serious FE believers came here. There are some really capable and intelligent round earthers to discuss with.

For the definition of controlled opposition, in the case of running a flat earth society, the people running would simply need to have counter beliefs.

Nope. It would need to be run by some controlling entity within RET, which doesn't exist.
Furthermore, it would need to be run for the sole purpose of maintaining control, which would be along the lines of wiping out all FE arguments.

This has been well established. They are not running this society to further its goals. They are running it to make it look like a joke and undermine its values from within

No. This hasn't been well established.

SCG and jroa have no belief in the flat earth theory

They are mods, not those controlling the site. There is also no evidence they are trying to undermine the position of a FE.
They aren't wiping out all the posts by FEers, and so on.

Take my word for it

No.

John Davis is also an unbeliever at heart.

Says you. Why should we believe it?

If not for the few believers on this site, this place would accomplish its mission at being a parody, nothing more.

No, those "believers" are the ones which do the most at making a mockery of FE.

The problem is, no one on this site actually believe in a flat earth, they just pretend to do so for the sake of argument. It's more a devil's advocate thing if you will.

There isn't anyone who actually believes flights in the southern hemisphere are faked not do they really believe every single aspect of space technology is a conspiracy.

So I guess in a way the OP is correct.

Quote from: Shifter on February 13, 2018, 12:25:49 PM

For the definition of controlled opposition, in the case of running a flat earth society, the people running would simply need to have counter beliefs.

Nope. It would need to be run by some controlling entity within RET, which doesn't exist.
Furthermore, it would need to be run for the sole purpose of maintaining control, which would be along the lines of wiping out all FE arguments.

Wrong

Quote from: Shifter on February 13, 2018, 12:25:49 PM

This has been well established. They are not running this society to further its goals. They are running it to make it look like a joke and undermine its values from within

No. This hasn't been well established.

Wrong again

Quote from: Shifter on February 13, 2018, 02:08:46 PM

SCG and jroa have no belief in the flat earth theory

They are mods, not those controlling the site. There is also no evidence they are trying to undermine the position of a FE.
They aren't wiping out all the posts by FEers, and so on.

They let you post on here

Quote from: Shifter on February 13, 2018, 02:08:46 PM

Take my word for it

No.

You should

Quote from: Shifter on February 13, 2018, 02:08:46 PM

John Davis is also an unbeliever at heart.

Says you. Why should we believe it?

Because its the truth. Unless you don't believe in truth

Quote from: Shifter on February 13, 2018, 02:08:46 PM

If not for the few believers on this site, this place would accomplish its mission at being a parody, nothing more.

No, those "believers" are the ones which do the most at making a mockery of FE.

FE is what it is. If you do not believe in a FE, then you are guests here, so start behaving like one. Are you this much of a discourteous arsehole in real life? When people let you in their home do you trash their beliefs and call them every name under the sun?

Quote from: rabinoz on February 13, 2018, 02:02:21 PM

Quote from: Shifter on February 13, 2018, 12:25:49 PM

For the definition of controlled opposition, in the case of running a flat earth society, the people running would simply need to have counter beliefs. This has been well established. They are not running this society to further its goals. They are running it to make it look like a joke and undermine its values from within

Got any evidence of that?

Or are we expected to simply accept the word of one who claims to be just below God and presumably above the ArchAngels in importance?

And I do have evidence!

Quote from: Shifter on February 12, 2018, 05:22:40 PM

It would take God himself to tell me how it is. But since I am the next closest thing, good luck with that 

All hail the self-proclaimed authority on everything, Shifter.

SCG and jroa have no belief in the flat earth theory despite their pathetic excuses. Take my word for it  Going through jroas post history shows he was a staunch round earth supporter when he joined. The extent of his flat earth belief is 'look out your window'.

John Davis is also an unbeliever at heart. This society is used as a platform to whore himself to obscure media and radio talkshows no one has really heard of.

If not for the few believers on this site, this place would accomplish its mission at being a parody, nothing more.

It's still just the opinion of one who one who claims to be just below God and presumably above the ArchAngels in importance.

Quote from: Shifter on February 13, 2018, 02:08:46 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on February 13, 2018, 02:02:21 PM

Quote from: Shifter on February 13, 2018, 12:25:49 PM

For the definition of controlled opposition, in the case of running a flat earth society, the people running would simply need to have counter beliefs. This has been well established. They are not running this society to further its goals. They are running it to make it look like a joke and undermine its values from within

Got any evidence of that?

Or are we expected to simply accept the word of one who claims to be just below God and presumably above the ArchAngels in importance?

And I do have evidence!

Quote from: Shifter on February 12, 2018, 05:22:40 PM

It would take God himself to tell me how it is. But since I am the next closest thing, good luck with that 

All hail the self-proclaimed authority on everything, Shifter.

SCG and jroa have no belief in the flat earth theory despite their pathetic excuses. Take my word for it  Going through jroas post history shows he was a staunch round earth supporter when he joined. The extent of his flat earth belief is 'look out your window'.

John Davis is also an unbeliever at heart. This society is used as a platform to whore himself to obscure media and radio talkshows no one has really heard of.

If not for the few believers on this site, this place would accomplish its mission at being a parody, nothing more.

It's still just the opinion of one who one who claims to be just below God and presumably above the ArchAngels in importance.

--------------------------------------In this case I happen to agree, but don't let that happen too often.---------------------------------

Well, not being God, I am open to the infinitesimal chance of possibly of being imperfect.

So all you can do is say I am wrong, when asking you to back up your claims, tell me to just believe you and claiming that me being allowed to post means it is controlled opposition?
Permitting debate doesn't make it controlled opposition.
Until you provide evidence for your claims, I have no reason to believe them.
Until you show they are truth, I have no reason to accept them as truth.

FE is what it is. If you do not believe in a FE, then you are guests here, so start behaving like one. Are you this much of a discourteous arsehole in real life? When people let you in their home do you trash their beliefs and call them every name under the sun?

I am no more a guest here than any other non-mod or non-admin member.
The same questions can be asked of you?
But no, typically when people let me into their homes they don't spout pure nonsense and ignore everything I say in response to it.

This guy nailed it :



A real nigga, isn't he?

This guy nailed it :



A real nigga, isn't he?

No, and he certainly isn't the Neil deGrasse Tyson either and you attach your name to it!

But on the  Big G hoax trash , what about these?

. . . typically when people let me into their homes they don't spout pure nonsense and ignore everything I say in response to it.

I can just imagine the end of the evening, when you finally get the hint it's time for you to go home, muttering under your breath 'I'm not ever coming back here' and then spending months wondering why you haven't been invited back.

Quote from: Shifter on February 13, 2018, 12:25:49 PM

For the definition of controlled opposition, in the case of running a flat earth society, the people running would simply need to have counter beliefs. This has been well established. They are not running this society to further its goals. They are running it to make it look like a joke and undermine its values from within

Got any evidence of that?
 

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=1060513

Would anyone interested furthering the goals of flat earth allow this moron to monopolize their website?

They are running it to make it look like a joke 

Mission accomplished

It's the roundies. they do whatever they can to force us from the forum, all the spamming and lies and provocation, I wouldn't be surprised if the 'controlled opposition' line came from them in the first place, it's the kind of straw man I'd expect given the other moronic arguments they make against the conspiracy.
A couple of years back the staff were non-existent and the site fell into the pits then with no one to supervise, and it still hasn't gotten out. I've seen enough to convince me that this site was originally made with genuine flat earth believers in mind, but once the trolls took root it's been hard to get rid of them.

The roundies don't want us to have anywhere. They'd rather shut us up, prevent us from talking to each other, prevent anyone from making up their own minds, prevent an honest view of an alternative to their dogma from being accessible. It's fear. They'll do everything they can to make you give in: don't give them that.

This site does focus more on the scientific aspects than the conspiracy, which I expect is why a lot of the accusations surface, but the science is no less important. If anything the science is how the truth can be revealed.

Me

The roundies don't want us to have anywhere. They'd rather shut us up, prevent us from talking to each other, prevent anyone from making up their own minds, prevent an honest view of an alternative to their dogma from being accessible. It's fear. They'll do everything they can to make you give in: don't give them that.

Yet you want us silenced.
What we (or at least myself) want is for FEers to back up their claims and rationally and honestly debate rather than continually asserting crap.

If you find your opinions being challenged to be unbearable and provoking, then a debate forum is not the place for you.
I recommend starting a church where you can preach to heart's content.

If anything the science is how the truth can be revealed.

I agree, and it quite conclusively revealed that Earth is round.

It is not the REers which make this place to appear to be controlled opposition, it is the FEers, continually making such poor arguments either for the FE or in general.
REers making bad arguments would make this place appear to be a "controlled opposition" against FE, i.e. controlled by FEers with the REers as the opposition.

The whole idea of a controlled opposition is you have 2 sides, A and B.
A controls B.
"B" then presents arguments in favour of their position, but these arguments are fundamentally flawed and easy to refute, making "B"'s position look very weak and pathetic, leading people to reject "B"'s position and instead take A's position.

Yet you want us silenced

Wrong way round. I enjoy debate. You and your kind enjoy making it as intolerable as possible.
You want us gone. You do everything you can to force us off the site. You lie to our faces. I've seen your tactics, I know them.
Just because I won't worship the ground you walk on and agree with every word you say doesn't mean I want you silenced. i jsut want you to be honest.

Wrong way round. I enjoy debate. You and your kind enjoy making it as intolerable as possible.
You want us gone. You do everything you can to force us off the site. You lie to our faces. I've seen your tactics, I know them.
Just because I won't worship the ground you walk on and agree with every word you say doesn't mean I want you silenced. i jsut want you to be honest.

Nope, I was the right way around.
I don't want you (as in FEers in general) gone, I want you to debate, to defend your claims, honestly and rationally, without ignoring what people say.
It isn't necessarily me specifically you want silenced, but you want the ability to be able to ignore people and not have them be allowed to respond, i.e. silenced.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 15, 2018, 04:57:32 PM

Wrong way round. I enjoy debate. You and your kind enjoy making it as intolerable as possible.
You want us gone. You do everything you can to force us off the site. You lie to our faces. I've seen your tactics, I know them.
Just because I won't worship the ground you walk on and agree with every word you say doesn't mean I want you silenced. i jsut want you to be honest.

Nope, I was the right way around.
I don't want you (as in FEers in general) gone, I want you to debate, to defend your claims, honestly and rationally, without ignoring what people say.
It isn't necessarily me specifically you want silenced, but you want the ability to be able to ignore people and not have them be allowed to respond, i.e. silenced.

I want the ability to shut up trolls, so that I can have an actual discussion. You want the ability to make the site unbearable not because of any logic, but because of trolls. You want us gone or to be suffering. I just want to be able to talk.
Look at you. You are saying I mean the exact opposite of what I am saying. Fuck you. Completely. Just fuck you. You are incapable of the slightest bit of honesty.

Who are the RE trolls?

FE has "Papa Legba" dominating the scoreboard, and there is hoppy, and totallackey. One can argue brotherhood of the dome is one, unless you believe the missing flights as being a real thing. Sandokhan is an unknown quantity. With dutchy one can have a conversation, at least I have managed. So he is cool, in my books.

John Davis has long left the building, it seems. And he was the luminary here, right?

I want the ability to shut up trolls, so that I can have an actual discussion.

You mean those you deem to be trolls, rather than the actual trolls, so you can avoid discussions you don't like.

You want the ability to make the site unbearable not because of any logic, but because of trolls. You want us gone or to be suffering.

Yes, I do want the trolls to be done or suffering.
I want this site to be unbearable for those making baseless claims who refuse to debate and defend their claims.

Look at you. You are saying I mean the exact opposite of what I am saying. Fuck you. Completely. Just fuck you. You are incapable of the slightest bit of honesty.

And there you go projecting again.
You came here and completely lied about me and those like me, not caring what we say; yet you have the nerve to say I'm not accepting what you say and aren't capable of honesty?

Look in the mirror.

Or why not deal with the OP?
The simple fact you and other FEers are allowed to post here presenting "arguments" in favour of a FE shows this site is not a controlled opposition (where the opposition would be against RE, for FE), unless you are part of that controlled opposition.

It's the roundies. they do whatever they can to force us from the forum, all the spamming and lies and provocation, I wouldn't be surprised if the 'controlled opposition' line came from them in the first place, it's the kind of straw man I'd expect given the other moronic arguments they make against the conspiracy.
A couple of years back the staff were non-existent and the site fell into the pits then with no one to supervise, and it still hasn't gotten out. I've seen enough to convince me that this site was originally made with genuine flat earth believers in mind, but once the trolls took root it's been hard to get rid of them.

The roundies don't want us to have anywhere. They'd rather shut us up, prevent us from talking to each other, prevent anyone from making up their own minds, prevent an honest view of an alternative to their dogma from being accessible. It's fear. They'll do everything they can to make you give in: don't give them that.

This site does focus more on the scientific aspects than the conspiracy, which I expect is why a lot of the accusations surface, but the science is no less important. If anything the science is how the truth can be revealed.

Your use of the word "us" is interesting. Every other FE believer disagrees with your DET just as they disagree with RET.

Quote from: rabinoz on February 13, 2018, 02:02:21 PM

Quote from: Shifter on February 13, 2018, 12:25:49 PM

For the definition of controlled opposition, in the case of running a flat earth society, the people running would simply need to have counter beliefs. This has been well established. They are not running this society to further its goals. They are running it to make it look like a joke and undermine its values from within

Got any evidence of that?

Or are we expected to simply accept the word of one who claims to be just below God and presumably above the ArchAngels in importance?

And I do have evidence!

Quote from: Shifter on February 12, 2018, 05:22:40 PM

It would take God himself to tell me how it is. But since I am the next closest thing, good luck with that 

All hail the self-proclaimed authority on everything, Shifter.

SCG and jroa have no belief in the flat earth theory despite their pathetic excuses. Take my word for it  Going through jroas post history shows he was a staunch round earth supporter when he joined. The extent of his flat earth belief is 'look out your window'.

John Davis is also an unbeliever at heart. This society is used as a platform to whore himself to obscure media and radio talkshows no one has really heard of.

If not for the few believers on this site, this place would accomplish its mission at being a parody, nothing more.

If I was trying to deceive people, would I not have deleted my early posts from back before I saw the light?  The fact that I have studied flat Earth theory and came to the conclusion that the Earth is, in fact, flat, after giving up my roundy indoctrination should, in and of itself, be a sign of my ingenuous nature.