"North" has multiple interpretations (according position) = Phew ~

In this random footage (just because it's explained so fast, doesn't mean it's right) America's first sunlight in the morning Comes from *South East*.

Hah? So do you believe in local sun or what?? And who says the boundary between dark and bright places has vertical line? Never. This boundary line is always inclined east due north.

Yes, that's a common reality all year long. So the north is useless, even hoax. The noon sun path is curved in the shape of "reversed U" not "U".

So the lattest score is...

Phew FE : 95346786433567484
Globe : 1

Been waitin' for reply for some time... At this time the globers are suddenly 'quiet' ~

Been waitin' for reply for some time... At this time the globers are suddenly 'quiet' ~

We aren't quiet. Right now we have a crack team of scientists working around the clock to unravel these mysteries of the Universe, for which you have a natural - perhaps supernatural - ability to uncover. But please slow down. We can't even hope to continue fooling the world when you expose all of our lies with such frequency and intellectual vigor.

We're quiet because you first post is just too ridiculous to take seriously.

We're quiet because you first post is just too ridiculous to take seriously.

Don't you see man?! He is beating us! Now shut up and get back to the laboratory where we cook up our evil experiments.

In this random footage (just because it's explained so fast, doesn't mean it's right) America's first sunlight in the morning Comes from *South East*.

Hah? So do you believe in local sun or what?? And who says the boundary between dark and bright places has vertical line? Never. This boundary line is always inclined east due north.

Yes, that's a common reality all year long. So the north is useless, even hoax. The noon sun path is curved in the shape of "reversed U" not "U".

So the lattest score is...

Phew FE : 95346786433567484
Globe : 1

I think it is funny how you actually think you are "winning" something.  Your only accomplishment so far is showing the exact magnitude in which a seemingly functional brain can be completely misused so that any effort put forth creates stupidity instead of intelligence.

I am guessing, being as though your mind is as simple as it is, you are going to be confused and think I am insulting you.  I assure you, it is just an accurate conclusion based on repeated observation.

This boundary line is always inclined east due north.
Yes, that's a common reality all year long. So the north is useless, even hoax. The noon sun path is curved in the shape of "reversed U" not "U".

Nope. Just during the southern summer.
During the northern summer, the sun comes from north east.

Quote from: Danang on February 12, 2018, 11:12:28 AM

Been waitin' for reply for some time... At this time the globers are suddenly 'quiet' ~

We aren't quiet. Right now we have a crack team of scientists working around the clock to unravel these mysteries of the Universe.

Awesome. Sounds independent. Then I wonder for whom you guys work. Government or private? Why not sharing those subjects in this forum?

Jack, why does the RET count earth rotation by 360.986° ??

Phew FE never does such a silly math. ~

Jack, why does the RET count earth rotation by 360.986° ??

It doesn't.
Why can't you honestly respond to RET?
Why do you need to continually lie about it?

Phew FE never does such a silly math. ~

It uses completely different silly math, like completely rejecting pi and having cos(60 degrees) not equal to 0.5.

We're quiet because you first post is just too ridiculous to take seriously.

I also felt this way frequently. The difference is, I came up with new stuff, not questioning a thing repeatedly while the answer has been posted. 

Quote from: Danang on February 12, 2018, 07:23:26 PM

Jack, why does the RET count earth rotation by 360.986° ??

It doesn't.
Why can't you honestly respond to RET?
Why do you need to continually lie about it?

Quote from: Danang on February 12, 2018, 07:23:26 PM

Phew FE never does such a silly math. ~

It uses completely different silly math, like completely rejecting pi and having cos(60 degrees) not equal to 0.5.

Okay, if you didn't know what I meant. If you want free point, okay now the score becomes
Me: 953577533356789755433
You: 1

Rarely people call a spade a spade.

Here is one of the most epic quotes I've ever read:

"We can't even hope to continue fooling the world when you expose all of our lies."

I also felt this way frequently. The difference is, I came up with new stuff, not questioning a thing repeatedly while the answer has been posted. 

No, this is the same old crap we have already been over countless times.
Both poles experience long periods of daylight and long periods of night.
This is incompatible with the vast majority of FE models.
It is entirely consistent with the globe.

Okay, if you didn't know what I meant. If you want free point, okay now the score becomes

I don't need any free points from you. You have repeatedly failed to provide any rational argument to justify your claims.

As for not knowing what you mean, you frequently use values in places they do not belong to try to confuse the issue and pretend you are right.
It seems you are trying to confuse the sidereal and solar days.
In a sidereal day, Earth turns 360 degrees. In an average solar day, Earth turns close to 360.986 days.
There is no problem with this at all.
A sidereal day (just less than 24 hours) is the amount of time it takes for Earth to turn once on its axis.
The solar day (roughly 24 hours) is the amount of time it takes for the sun to reach the same azimuth in the sky (e.g. the time between 2 solar noons).
These are not the same because Earth orbits the sun.

Just what do you think is the issue and how does this relate to your OP?

Quote from: MicroBeta on February 12, 2018, 12:43:02 PM

We're quiet because you first post is just too ridiculous to take seriously.

I also felt this way frequently. The difference is, I came up with new stuff, not questioning a thing repeatedly while the answer has been posted. 

You imagine "new stuff".  You have no basis for your claim.  Millions of people live above the Arctic Circle.  You don’t think they know about the area where they live.  There are flights over the arctic every day.  It’s the preferred route between North America and Asia.  The polar routes save time and fuel.  All of which makes you claims about the north pole just plain silly. 

Mike

@Jack
Your free point is cancelled.
@Mike
What about somewhere outside Arctic circle? There is still polar day?? >> "Because the sun light bends". Thumbs up!

"From Geometry to Novel" ~

<snip>
@Mike
What about somewhere outside Arctic circle? There is still polar day?? >> "Because the sun light bends". Thumbs up!

"From Geometry to Novel" ~

What about outside the Arctic circle?  I don't understand your point.

Mike

I'm disappointed.  From the title, I thought that this thread was going to discuss the differences between true north and magnetic north.

Quote from: Danang on February 13, 2018, 04:19:31 AM

<snip>
@Mike
What about somewhere outside Arctic circle? There is still polar day?? >> "Because the sun light bends". Thumbs up!

"From Geometry to Novel" ~

What about outside the Arctic circle?  I don't understand your point.

Mike

By geometry, Sweden can't possibly undergo 24 hours of sun(light). Yet RET made up the explanation by stating "sunlight bends".

I'm disappointed.  From the title, I thought that this thread was going to discuss the differences between true north and magnetic north.

Magnetic fields looks random shaped lines. The common 'north' has no base except the globe assumption (which is non existence).
The true north are the edges of first sunlight lines. Different places point the north with different azimuths and mostly fail to point the right direction due to the longitude lines have the shape of curve. And all are based on the first sunlight lines
This is actually Phew FE map's property.
No boast, just telling as it is.

Perhaps for the shake of true earth map -which is flat- there should be another definition of "north".
This map has to be pure square grided (Euclidean) to make it easy to point a location, including distances by the accurate scaling. The math will be much simple but accurate.

While for astronomy, time, etc. the non-euclidean map is the best option.

Quote from: MicroBeta on February 13, 2018, 04:42:59 AM

Quote from: Danang on February 13, 2018, 04:19:31 AM

<snip>
@Mike
What about somewhere outside Arctic circle? There is still polar day?? >> "Because the sun light bends". Thumbs up!

"From Geometry to Novel" ~

What about outside the Arctic circle?  I don't understand your point.

Mike

By geometry, Sweden can't possibly undergo 24 hours of sun(light). Yet RET made up the explanation by stating "sunlight bends".

Well there’s just so many things wrong with your post.  First, I’ve never heard a single REer state that Sweden undergoes midnight sun because "sunlight bends".  Anyone who does say that is wrong.

You need to look at the geometry again because it’s a stone-cold fact that Sweden, and many other places have 24 or more hours of sunlight.  AAMOF, Svalbard, Norway is in sunlight for several weeks in the summer time.  Many locations have a tourist industry built around the midnight sun. 

These are places you can visit and see for yourself so this is verifiable fact.

Approximate dates when you can see the midnight sun from a Norway tourism site.

Where	When
The Arctic Circle	12 June - 1 July
Bodø	4 June - 8 July
Svolvær	28 May - 14 July
Harstad	25 May - 18 July
Bardufoss	23 May - 19 July
Andendes	22 May - 21 July
Tromsø	20 May - 22 July
Bossekopp	19 May - 24 July
Vardø	17 May - 26 July
Hammerfest	16 May - 27 July
Berlevåg	15 May - 28 July
The North Cape	14 May - 29 July
Longyearbyen	20 April - 22 August

Link to the page with the above table: https://www.visitnorway.com/things-to-do/nature-attractions/midnight-sun/

Mike

What about somewhere outside Arctic circle? There is still polar day?? >> "Because the sun light bends". Thumbs up!

Outside the arctic circle there is still day, but not at midnight, until you go to the Antarctic circle.

By geometry, Sweden can't possibly undergo 24 hours of sun(light). Yet RET made up the explanation by stating "sunlight bends".

Not all of it undergoes 24 hours of sunlight.
Just the region inside the Arctic circle.

The common 'north' has no base except the globe assumption (which is non existence).

No, it is based upon the stars.
Polaris stays fairly still in the sky, always due north of every observer (that can see it). The point directly underneath is the north pole.
All the stars in the northern celestial hemisphere rotate around this point.

It is just as real as the south pole.
A globe model is merely the best explanation for it and for why there is a north and south pole always 180 degrees apart.

No boast, just telling as it is.

No, you're just making stuff up as usual.

Perhaps for the shake of true earth map -which is flat- there should be another definition of "north".
This map has to be pure square grided (Euclidean) to make it easy to point a location, including distances by the accurate scaling. The math will be much simple but accurate.

While for astronomy, time, etc. the non-euclidean map is the best option.

People have been making maps for thousands of years. They have failed to produce a flat map of Earth without distortion.
However, they did manage to produce a "map" which doesn't have distortion. It is called a globe.

The reason the non-Euclidean map is the best option is because Earth isn't flat.

From Vienna with Phew 

From Vienna with Phew 

What point are you trying to make with this?

A new born baby knows that the sun path is like moon & stars path. It's counter clockwise. Stop lying. 

I meant it looks clockwise from the earth.

A new born baby knows that the sun path is like moon & stars path. It's counter clockwise. Stop lying. 

No. A new born baby knows basically nothing.

However rational adults realise the sun's apparent path changes throughout the year as its apparent position moves between the northern and southern hemispheres.

A new born baby knows that the sun path is like moon & stars path. It's counter clockwise. Stop lying. 

Your still not making sense but as i posted above you're wrong.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74272.msg2025050#msg2025050

So sad ....

Here is another "explanation" about "sunlight bends" that Mike didn't agree. 

https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/midnight-sun.html

In this case your IQ is higher than timeanddate.com's.