Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #300 on: February 20, 2018, 10:17:53 AM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #301 on: February 20, 2018, 10:31:42 AM »
So you can get your massless springs and other pseudo-scientific crap and shove off.

The notion of a massless spring somehow providing a force comes from the link YOU provided to support YOUR claims, botty boy.

Look:

https://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfadd/1350/09Mom/Rock.html

So you admit your link is Pseudoscientific crap: Fact.

Can I say lol?

Yes, I think I can.
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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #302 on: February 20, 2018, 10:34:06 AM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

Hello, can anyone see me?

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #303 on: February 20, 2018, 10:43:32 AM »
So you can get your massless springs and other pseudo-scientific crap and shove off.

The notion of a massless spring somehow providing a force comes from the link YOU provided to support YOUR claims, botty boy.
Yes, but I have no trouble accepting said laws of physics. It is for you they seem like some form of witchcraft.

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #304 on: February 20, 2018, 10:49:36 AM »
So you can get your massless springs and other pseudo-scientific crap and shove off.
The notion of a massless spring somehow providing a force comes from the link YOU provided to support YOUR claims, botty boy.
Yes, but I have no trouble accepting said laws of physics.

So you have no trouble accepting the laws of physics you just described as Pseudoscientific crap?

Okay, I think it's proven beyond doubt you are a mad lying time wasting AI algorithm.
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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #305 on: February 20, 2018, 10:59:52 AM »
Yes, poor wording on my part. Enjoy your triumph over me.

But tell again which one of us has trouble understanding and accepting space flight, and satellites?

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #306 on: February 20, 2018, 11:02:46 AM »
Back to this:

Let's not forget that this entire fairy tale requires a complete rewriting of the laws of physics...

Here it is, plain as day:

A rocket would operate on the following momentum equation:

m1v1 = m2v2 + m3v3

1 = rocket and fuel
2 = rocket less fuel
3 = fuel

Correct definition of conservation of momentum:

https://physics.info/momentum-conservation/summary.shtml

Ergo, silly fake space rockets operate on a false definition of conservation of momentum.

Which every educated person already knows btw...

Not really a secret that it's all nonsense aimed at plebs.
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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #307 on: February 20, 2018, 11:06:16 AM »
So you just disregarded this:
https://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfadd/1350/09Mom/Rock.html

it does not fit your model?

Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by ignorance or stupidity.

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #309 on: February 20, 2018, 11:29:53 AM »
http://wwxw.physicsclassroom.com/class/momentum/Lesson-2/Momentum-Conservation-in-Explosions

Providing links that disagree with you is pretty dumb.

Seems it's a habit you can't break though.

All the plebs who believe in shpayze rokkitz may fall for your cringeworthy con trick, but educated people will not.
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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #310 on: February 20, 2018, 12:04:46 PM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

Hello, can anyone see me?

Yes, but you're getting drowned out by PL.

To answer your question...

wait for it...

if you can distinguish an airplane from a satellite, it's likely a satellite!
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #311 on: February 20, 2018, 12:09:10 PM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

Hello, can anyone see me?

Yes, but you're getting drowned out by PL.

To answer your question...

wait for it...

if you can distinguish an airplane from a satellite, it's likely a satellite!

There are many apps that predict satellite sightings and having used them, I see a steady white light at the predicted position, moving steadily across the night sky. The  motion is distinctly different to that of an aircraft and even with binoculars it isn't possible to see any other lights. Is there any other explanation than it is a satellite?

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #312 on: February 20, 2018, 12:18:51 PM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

That's another thing educated people already know.

But you admit to being the opposite, so meh...

Plebs will be plebs.
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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #313 on: February 20, 2018, 12:42:26 PM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

That's another thing educated people already know.

But you admit to being the opposite, so meh...

Plebs will be plebs.

And I seek knowledge, so I may become educated.

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #314 on: February 20, 2018, 12:55:14 PM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

That's another thing educated people already know.

But you admit to being the opposite, so meh...

Plebs will be plebs.

And I seek knowledge, so I may become educated.

Incorrect.

You let a completely fallacious definition of conservation of momentum pass straight over your head without any comment...

Thus you are an ineducable pleb and can wallow in your plebeian ignorance forever as far as I am concerned.

Plebs gonna pleb, man!
I got Trolled & Shilled at the CIA Troll/Shill Society and now I feel EPIC!!!

Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #315 on: February 20, 2018, 12:55:31 PM »
Back to this:

Let's not forget that this entire fairy tale requires a complete rewriting of the laws of physics...

Here it is, plain as day:

A rocket would operate on the following momentum equation:

m1v1 = m2v2 + m3v3

1 = rocket and fuel
2 = rocket less fuel
3 = fuel

Correct definition of conservation of momentum:

https://physics.info/momentum-conservation/summary.shtml

Ergo, silly fake space rockets operate on a false definition of conservation of momentum.

Which every educated person already knows btw...

Not really a secret that it's all nonsense aimed at plebs.

You've been proven wrong already.

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Cahaya

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #316 on: February 20, 2018, 01:02:52 PM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

That's another thing educated people already know.

But you admit to being the opposite, so meh...

Plebs will be plebs.

And I seek knowledge, so I may become educated.

Incorrect.

You let a completely fallacious definition of conservation of momentum pass straight over your head without any comment...

Thus you are an ineducable pleb and can wallow in your plebeian ignorance forever as far as I am concerned.

Plebs gonna pleb, man!

Not really, I wasn't interested in that as it seemed it was an insult competition.

So I take it you don't have an answer to the satellite question. No problem, we are all ignorant about something. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than either of us will help

Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #317 on: February 20, 2018, 01:10:03 PM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

Hello, can anyone see me?

Yes, but you're getting drowned out by PL.

To answer your question...

wait for it...

if you can distinguish an airplane from a satellite, it's likely a satellite!

There are many apps that predict satellite sightings and having used them, I see a steady white light at the predicted position, moving steadily across the night sky. The  motion is distinctly different to that of an aircraft and even with binoculars it isn't possible to see any other lights. Is there any other explanation than it is a satellite?

Nope. Those are satellites.

Those things put the folks who deny they exist in a bind. The best they can do is declare that they're fake and refuse to check for themselves because they know what they'd find.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #318 on: February 20, 2018, 01:15:46 PM »
Has anyone noticed the rustling of puppet strings disturbing the peace again? I wonder who's pulling them now?
It is far better to ignore background noises like that. They can be hidden from sight too by adding them to an "Ignore trolls list".

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #319 on: February 20, 2018, 01:20:20 PM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

That's another thing educated people already know.

But you admit to being the opposite, so meh...

Plebs will be plebs.

And I seek knowledge, so I may become educated.

Incorrect.

You let a completely fallacious definition of conservation of momentum pass straight over your head without any comment...

Thus you are an ineducable pleb and can wallow in your plebeian ignorance forever as far as I am concerned.

Plebs gonna pleb, man!
I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than either of us will help

Nah, educated people want you plebs to stay thick.

That's the whole point...

Keeping your dumb pleb selves in line, like.

So you'll never know, will you?

And nobody educated will ever care that you don't.
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Cahaya

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #320 on: February 20, 2018, 01:22:17 PM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

That's another thing educated people already know.

But you admit to being the opposite, so meh...

Plebs will be plebs.

And I seek knowledge, so I may become educated.

Incorrect.

You let a completely fallacious definition of conservation of momentum pass straight over your head without any comment...

Thus you are an ineducable pleb and can wallow in your plebeian ignorance forever as far as I am concerned.

Plebs gonna pleb, man!
I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than either of us will help

Nah, educated people want you plebs to stay thick.

That's the whole point...

Keeping your dumb pleb selves in line, like.

So you'll never know, will you?

And nobody educated will ever care that you don't.

I tell you what, if I do find out I'll make sure to let you know. Then we'll both be more educated

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #321 on: February 20, 2018, 01:27:48 PM »
So called " amateur astronomers", in other say, NASA officers.
If you're not on the side of wise, so you're probably on the wrong side.


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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #322 on: February 20, 2018, 01:28:39 PM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

That's another thing educated people already know.

But you admit to being the opposite, so meh...

Plebs will be plebs.

And I seek knowledge, so I may become educated.

Incorrect.

You let a completely fallacious definition of conservation of momentum pass straight over your head without any comment...

Thus you are an ineducable pleb and can wallow in your plebeian ignorance forever as far as I am concerned.

Plebs gonna pleb, man!
I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than either of us will help

Nah, educated people want you plebs to stay thick.

That's the whole point...

Keeping your dumb pleb selves in line, like.

So you'll never know, will you?

And nobody educated will ever care that you don't.

I tell you what, if I do find out I'll make sure to let you know. Then we'll both be more educated

Ah look, the answer was on this board all along:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74000.0

Too much of a dumb pleb to even look though, weren't you?

Damn, no wonder educated people despise you...

Poor little pleb.
I got Trolled & Shilled at the CIA Troll/Shill Society and now I feel EPIC!!!

Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #323 on: February 20, 2018, 01:57:33 PM »
Let's not forget that this entire fairy tale requires a complete rewriting of the laws of physics...
Yes, your fairy tale does, so we reject it.

Correct definition of conservation of momentum:
https://physics.info/momentum-conservation/summary.shtml
That is a summary, not a definition.
There are various definitions which can be used.
But yes, that one does sum it up fine.
Notice a key part:
sum of momentum at start=sum of momentum at end.

And hey, look at what one of them is:
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Two objects collide and stick together
p1 + p2 = p1+2
m1v1 + m2v2 = (m1 + m2)v′
Sure seems quite similar to what others have said, just the other way around.
So it seems like what we have been saying is correct, that real space rockets operate on the correct definition of conservation of momentum.
Meanwhile, your continued dismissal of it is fantasy, and quite silly, based upon false ideas of conservation of momentum.

When you go to the problem section, you see some far more akin to a rocket:
https://physics.info/momentum-conservation/problems.shtml
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A ten year old boy (26 kg) sits on a wheeled office chair (16 kg) holding a fire extinguisher (18 kg when empty). He points the discharge horn to the right and ejects 9 kg of carbon dioxide at 20 m/s. What is his speed and direction after the fire extinguisher is emptied (assuming friction is negligible)?
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A nucleus of uranium 238 (3.95292599 ◊ 10−25 kg) ejects an alpha particle (6.64465675 ◊ 10−27 kg) transmuting into a nucleus of thorium 234 (3.88638509 ◊ 10−25 kg). If the alpha particle is ejected to the right at 1.421 ◊ 107 m/s, determine the speed and direction of the recoiling nucleus.

As I just proved btw.
All you have proven is your own dishonesty.
You linked to a page and then spouted a bunch of crap which the page does not support at all.

The notion of a massless spring somehow providing a force  has no place in educated scientific discourse..
No it isn't.
If the mass of the spring is negligible compared to the 2 objects the spring is between, its mass and momentum can be ignored.
It also works to construct an analogy, where the spring is used to represent somethign else which doesn't have mass.

What with force being MASS times acceleration and all.
Which every educated person knows btw, hence space rockets being nonsense aimed at uneducated plebs.
No. There is no "hence" here.
That is a massive, unjustified logical leap.
In what way does a massless spring relate to a rocket?

Providing links that disagree with you is pretty dumb.
Then why did you do it?

Ah look, the answer was on this board all along:
You mean more baseless unsubstantiated claims with you getting your ass handed to you there as well.

Grow up.

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #324 on: February 20, 2018, 02:01:41 PM »
Let's not forget that this entire fairy tale requires a complete rewriting of the laws of physics...
Yes, your fairy tale does, so we reject it.

Correct definition of conservation of momentum:
https://physics.info/momentum-conservation/summary.shtml
That is a summary, not a definition.
There are various definitions which can be used.
But yes, that one does sum it up fine.
Notice a key part:
sum of momentum at start=sum of momentum at end.

And hey, look at what one of them is:
Quote
Two objects collide and stick together
p1 + p2 = p1+2
m1v1 + m2v2 = (m1 + m2)v′
Sure seems quite similar to what others have said, just the other way around.
So it seems like what we have been saying is correct, that real space rockets operate on the correct definition of conservation of momentum.
Meanwhile, your continued dismissal of it is fantasy, and quite silly, based upon false ideas of conservation of momentum.

When you go to the problem section, you see some far more akin to a rocket:
https://physics.info/momentum-conservation/problems.shtml
Quote
A ten year old boy (26 kg) sits on a wheeled office chair (16 kg) holding a fire extinguisher (18 kg when empty). He points the discharge horn to the right and ejects 9 kg of carbon dioxide at 20 m/s. What is his speed and direction after the fire extinguisher is emptied (assuming friction is negligible)?
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A nucleus of uranium 238 (3.95292599 ◊ 10−25 kg) ejects an alpha particle (6.64465675 ◊ 10−27 kg) transmuting into a nucleus of thorium 234 (3.88638509 ◊ 10−25 kg). If the alpha particle is ejected to the right at 1.421 ◊ 107 m/s, determine the speed and direction of the recoiling nucleus.

As I just proved btw.
All you have proven is your own dishonesty.
You linked to a page and then spouted a bunch of crap which the page does not support at all.

The notion of a massless spring somehow providing a force  has no place in educated scientific discourse..
No it isn't.
If the mass of the spring is negligible compared to the 2 objects the spring is between, its mass and momentum can be ignored.
It also works to construct an analogy, where the spring is used to represent somethign else which doesn't have mass.

What with force being MASS times acceleration and all.
Which every educated person knows btw, hence space rockets being nonsense aimed at uneducated plebs.
No. There is no "hence" here.
That is a massive, unjustified logical leap.
In what way does a massless spring relate to a rocket?

Providing links that disagree with you is pretty dumb.
Then why did you do it?

Ah look, the answer was on this board all along:
You mean more baseless unsubstantiated claims with you getting your ass handed to you there as well.

Grow up.

Everything above is a lie, written by a mad AI algorithm.
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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #325 on: February 20, 2018, 02:05:03 PM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

Have a look at this

https://www.universetoday.com/94392/getting-a-handle-on-how-much-cosmic-dust-hits-earth/

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Estimates vary of how much cosmic dust and meteorites enter Earthís atmosphere each day, but range anywhere from 5 to 300 metric tons, with estimates made from satellite data and extrapolations of meteorite falls. Thing is, no one really knows for sure and so far there hasnít been any real coordinated efforts to find out. But a new project proposal called Cosmic Dust in the Terrestrial Atmosphere (CODITA) would provide more accurate estimates of how much material hits Earth, as well as how it might affect the atmosphere.

It's plausible that what you see occasionally is some of this material falling to earth.


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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #326 on: February 20, 2018, 02:25:59 PM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

That's another thing educated people already know.

But you admit to being the opposite, so meh...

Plebs will be plebs.

And I seek knowledge, so I may become educated.

Incorrect.

You let a completely fallacious definition of conservation of momentum pass straight over your head without any comment...

Thus you are an ineducable pleb and can wallow in your plebeian ignorance forever as far as I am concerned.

Plebs gonna pleb, man!
I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than either of us will help

Nah, educated people want you plebs to stay thick.

That's the whole point...

Keeping your dumb pleb selves in line, like.

So you'll never know, will you?

And nobody educated will ever care that you don't.

I tell you what, if I do find out I'll make sure to let you know. Then we'll both be more educated

Ah look, the answer was on this board all along:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74000.0

Too much of a dumb pleb to even look though, weren't you?

Damn, no wonder educated people despise you...

Poor little pleb.

Well there you go, how good of you. See I told the other kids you could play nice

Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #327 on: February 20, 2018, 02:31:04 PM »
Everything above is a lie, written by a mad AI algorithm.
If it was all a lie, why did you need to just dismiss it like that rather than explain what was wrong with it?

Are you sure you aren't the one lying, claiming others are lying to pretend they haven't shown you to be completely wrong?

Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #328 on: February 20, 2018, 02:32:41 PM »
It's plausible that what you see occasionally is some of this material falling to earth.
That wouldn't produce observed flashes as some satellites do, nor would it magically match all the satellites which have been observed.

Typically when meteorites hit the atmosphere they cause trails.

It sure seems far more rational to accept they are satellites.

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Re: Astronomers have spotted the Tesla with their telescopes.
« Reply #329 on: February 20, 2018, 02:32:49 PM »
At the risk of being called a bot, what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

I freely admit to being uneducated

Please help educate me by telling me what am I seeing when I think I see a satellite in the sky?

That's another thing educated people already know.

But you admit to being the opposite, so meh...

Plebs will be plebs.

And I seek knowledge, so I may become educated.

Incorrect.

You let a completely fallacious definition of conservation of momentum pass straight over your head without any comment...

Thus you are an ineducable pleb and can wallow in your plebeian ignorance forever as far as I am concerned.

Plebs gonna pleb, man!
I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than either of us will help

Nah, educated people want you plebs to stay thick.

That's the whole point...

Keeping your dumb pleb selves in line, like.

So you'll never know, will you?

And nobody educated will ever care that you don't.

I tell you what, if I do find out I'll make sure to let you know. Then we'll both be more educated

Ah look, the answer was on this board all along:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74000.0

Too much of a dumb pleb to even look though, weren't you?

Damn, no wonder educated people despise you...

Poor little pleb.

Well there you go, how good of you. See I told the other kids you could play nice

I had a look through the forum you pointed out but couldn't see how a NEO could be predicted and repetitive. So no further on I'm afraid. You and I will just have to remain ignorant on that subject