Five Eyes GCHQ online shilling.

This is a powerpoint presentation that was used to train online shills such as Rayzor and Crutonius. If you ever suspect the person you are debating is a shill it's good to reference their material. If you take the time to study this you'll be able to quickly recognise the shills games and tactics and be in a much better position to counter them.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/233890686/The-Art-of-Deception-GCHQ

There is much more than this online, this was a leak from Snowden and the shills can't deny it's real, only try to ignore it or discredit the poster and not the information. I'd like to focus on this document specifically in this thread. It really shows that these people are paid to deceive, twist manipulate and lie.

The justification is that the good guys are allowed to do bad things. We don't believe that to be fair.

Rayzor you asked what the Intelligence Agencies had done to make themselves our enemy and here it is. A quick skim through will show these people are not operating honestly.

This is just evil. There's no other word for it. Luckily there is a large and increasing number of sociopaths who are willing to lie and decieve their brothers amd sisters for a career.

@Rayzor, can I game this?

Well... It's almost interesting. The problem is that wheres the rest of it? It's like looking at the table of contents. Did I miss something?

It's a power point presentation used as a training aid for online shills. It's not an instruction manual. Most of it is applied psychology, manipulation and mind games. I think the presentation gives a rough outline as how posters such as yourself operate.

Papa has been doing good work exposing the AI bots I thought I would further expose the professional shills.

Credit where it's due. You guys are actually pretty good shills. I've been on forums a long time and seen a fair few.

Well yeah. But it's surface deep. I can sort of guess as to what a few of those slides mean but a lot of them I have no idea.

Is there an actual accompanying textbook or is this just a bunch of paranoid ramblings by some crazy person? 

a bunch of paranoid ramblings by some crazy person? 

This was a power point presentation used as a training aid for online shills leaked by Snowden. It details basic methods of deception, opinion control and shilling.

It was made by GCHQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Communications_Headquarters and given to Five Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

You are glowing in the dark a little.

Okay. Where's the rest of it?

The link provided in the OP is the entirety of the Art of Deception powerpoint presentation.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/233890686/The-Art-of-Deception-GCHQ

There is good information there, there are other documents detailing online shilling but the topic of this thread is the GCHQ powerpoint.

Quote from: crutonius on February 10, 2018, 09:21:05 PM

a bunch of paranoid ramblings by some crazy person? 

This was a power point presentation used as a training aid for online shills leaked by Snowden. It details basic methods of deception, opinion control and shilling.

It was made by GCHQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Communications_Headquarters and given to Five Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

You are glowing in the dark a little.

Interesting stuff.  Not sure how you think it applies to me or viceroy cruton.  Maybe your shill detector is broken?   

Did you follow up on the GCHQ spying allegations?   If not, I'll give you the short version,  it's illegal for NSA to spy on US nationals,  but not for GCHQ,  the rumor is that NSA facilities was used by GCHQ people to spy on Trump.   

If I was Trump,  I'd be worried about what NSA and GCHQ have picked up on their intercepts.  My guess is they already know everything.   

I see that they are narrowing in on that $95 million real estate deal in Florida where Trump laundered money for the Russian mob.  Bout time too.

That's the deal with five eyes. Don't act like you don't know. They use it as a way to legally spy on their own citizens.

It's illegal for ASIO to spy on an Australian but it's legal for GCHQ to spy on an Australian and give ASIO the signals intelligence.

This all came out years ago, do try and keep up.

The link provided in the OP is the entirety of the Art of Deception powerpoint presentation.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/233890686/The-Art-of-Deception-GCHQ

There is good information there, there are other documents detailing online shilling but the topic of this thread is the GCHQ powerpoint.

Well if the rest of it happens to turn up then go ahead and post it here.  It looks like an interesting short read.

Quote from: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 09:42:02 PM

The link provided in the OP is the entirety of the Art of Deception powerpoint presentation.

Well if the rest of it happens to turn up then go ahead and post it here.

Shilling, ladies and gentlemen.

Quote from: crutonius on February 10, 2018, 11:39:16 PM

Quote from: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 09:42:02 PM

The link provided in the OP is the entirety of the Art of Deception powerpoint presentation.

Well if the rest of it happens to turn up then go ahead and post it here.

Shilling, ladies and gentlemen.

Why did you just bold that?

It's a power point presentation used as a training aid for online shills. It's not an instruction manual. Most of it is applied psychology, manipulation and mind games. I think the presentation gives a rough outline as how posters such as yourself operate.

Papa has been doing good work exposing the AI bots I thought I would further expose the professional shills.

Credit where it's due. You guys are actually pretty good shills. I've been on forums a long time and seen a fair few.

Tbh, it looks like it's for training spooks in both online and IRL ops - the sort of thing they'd teach an agent before packing him off to the local mosque for example.

The online side is heading toward complete automation imo.

Quote from: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 11:40:53 PM

Quote from: crutonius on February 10, 2018, 11:39:16 PM

Quote from: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 09:42:02 PM

The link provided in the OP is the entirety of the Art of Deception powerpoint presentation.

Well if the rest of it happens to turn up then go ahead and post it here.

Shilling, ladies and gentlemen.

Why did you just bold that?

Because I stated clearly that that is the entire document more than once and you keep asking for "the rest of it."

Once again. The entire powerpoint presentation is available in the link in the OP.

This is an example of the mind games shills play when they cant attack the information being presented. Crutonius' aim in this thread is to discredit the leaked document by implying that it is incomplete and therefore no conclusions can be drawn. It's an old tactic but an effective one.



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Quote from: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 09:16:22 PM

It's a power point presentation used as a training aid for online shills. It's not an instruction manual. Most of it is applied psychology, manipulation and mind games. I think the presentation gives a rough outline as how posters such as yourself operate.

Papa has been doing good work exposing the AI bots I thought I would further expose the professional shills.

Credit where it's due. You guys are actually pretty good shills. I've been on forums a long time and seen a fair few.

Tbh, it looks like it's for training spooks in both online and IRL ops - the sort of thing they'd teach an agent before packing him off to the local mosque for example.

The online side is heading toward complete automation imo.

That's true, good point. I agree, I've shared that article on AI you've been posting. It's very good information.

AI is the most effective form of online opinion control because it can easily make it seem like a minority viewpoint is held by the vast majority.

I think they are still using human shills currently because their best AI only fools idiots at the moment.

Quote from: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 11:40:53 PM

Quote from: crutonius on February 10, 2018, 11:39:16 PM

Quote from: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 09:42:02 PM

The link provided in the OP is the entirety of the Art of Deception powerpoint presentation.

Well if the rest of it happens to turn up then go ahead and post it here.

Shilling, ladies and gentlemen.

Why did you just bold that?

Because he's the shill hunter, and he's determined to find as many as he can before he turns into a pumpkin. 

Don't tell him that real shills would be on here pretending to be flat earthers or his friend and not at all obvious.   I wonder who fits that description?

Quote from: crutonius on February 10, 2018, 11:55:50 PM

Quote from: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 11:40:53 PM

Quote from: crutonius on February 10, 2018, 11:39:16 PM

Quote from: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 09:42:02 PM

The link provided in the OP is the entirety of the Art of Deception powerpoint presentation.

Well if the rest of it happens to turn up then go ahead and post it here.

Shilling, ladies and gentlemen.

Why did you just bold that?

Because he's the shill hunter, and he's determined to find as many as he can before he turns into a pumpkin. 

Don't tell him that real shills would be on here pretending to be flat earthers or his friend and not at all obvious.   I wonder who fits that description?

I've called out the mods as shills multiple times I will do it again.
They are CoIntelPro and they are indeed the hardest to spot.

You are psychological operations.

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 11, 2018, 12:30:08 AM

Quote from: disputeone on February 10, 2018, 09:16:22 PM

It's a power point presentation used as a training aid for online shills. It's not an instruction manual. Most of it is applied psychology, manipulation and mind games. I think the presentation gives a rough outline as how posters such as yourself operate.

Papa has been doing good work exposing the AI bots I thought I would further expose the professional shills.

Credit where it's due. You guys are actually pretty good shills. I've been on forums a long time and seen a fair few.

Tbh, it looks like it's for training spooks in both online and IRL ops - the sort of thing they'd teach an agent before packing him off to the local mosque for example.

The online side is heading toward complete automation imo.

That's true, good point. I agree, I've shared that article on AI you've been posting. It's very good information.

AI is the most effective form of online opinion control because it can easily make it seem like a minority viewpoint is held by the vast majority.

I think they are still using human shills currently because their best AI only fools idiots at the moment.

Cyborging is commonest at the moment, where one human operator controls a net of bots and can step in when the bot is unable to handle the situation.

That's what persona management software is really for:

http://www.wikispooks.org/blog/archives/255

But the deep learning AI algorithms are very convincing, and there's more and more of them around.

I suspect they may well be using Bitcoin Mining and the block chain for creating them, as everyone knows DARPA created Bitcoin.

Interesting video on the subject of block chain and AI:

Thanks good research, I'll look through it.

Don't tell him that real shills would be on here pretending to be his friend and not at all obvious.   I wonder who fits that description?

Divide and conquer shilling ladies and gentlemen.

Quote from: Rayzor on February 11, 2018, 12:35:42 AM

Don't tell him that real shills would be on here pretending to be friend and not at all obvious.   I wonder who fits that description?

Divide and conquer shilling ladies and gentlemen.

The truth is,  you can't tell if I'm a shill or not,  If I was would I be trying to convince you that I was a shill, so that you'd think I wasn't,  or would I be trying to convince you that I'm not a shill.

Logic tells me that a real shill wouldn't care what you thought.

Quote from: disputeone on February 11, 2018, 01:06:03 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on February 11, 2018, 12:35:42 AM

Don't tell him that real shills would be on here pretending to be friend and not at all obvious.   I wonder who fits that description?

Divide and conquer shilling ladies and gentlemen.

The truth is,  you can't tell if I'm a shill or not,  If I was would I be trying to convince you that I was a shill, so that you'd think I wasn't,  or would I be trying to convince you that I'm not a shill.

Logic tells me that a real shill wouldn't care what you thought.

Desperation, ladies and gentlemen.

You sure do know a lot about shilling Rayzor.

You sure do know a lot about shilling Rayzor.

More than you do about detecting them it seems.   LOL