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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #60 on: January 13, 2018, 02:10:25 AM »
Quote from: Shifter on January 12, 2018, 10:39:49 PM
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Quote from: Shifter on January 11, 2018, 03:54:44 PM
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Quote from: Shifter on January 11, 2018, 01:31:24 PM
Clearly they are not settled. Perhaps you geniuses could find a way to irrefutably smack down the so called 'nonsense'. Almost 60 years and you cant keep up.

Specifically, what things do you consider not settled?

Landing on the moon is meant to be the pivotal accomplishment of mankind, of our species as a whole. And we did it with computing power that was probably on par with a musical greeting card. Nearly 60 years later and barely a hint that we will ever do it again. I admit, it's a hard task to settle some of questions. We assume a flag would never ripple and wave about like that in a vacuum and low gravity environment, and short of taking someone inside a near perfect vacuum chamber that somehow could replicate low gravity as well, its a tough sell with words alone.

It's not clear what your issue is with the computing power. Do you contend that it would have been inadequate?

And yes, the flag only becomes an 'issue' in the light of incorrect assumptions about how it should behave. Instead of assuming, why not theorise or research?

Quote from: Shifter on January 11, 2018, 03:54:44 PM
So you are always going to have people not buy into it. When was the last time the government actually told you the truth straight up without any bullshit or spin? It's simply not trustworthy or credible. NASA might be a civilian agency but they rely on funding from the government to exist. We know as fallible humans we are motivated by greed and we all 'have our price'

Does the fact that governments don't always tell the truth imply that everything they say is a lie?

Quote from: Shifter on January 11, 2018, 03:54:44 PM
The thing is, in the video above, it's hard to imagine a context they would say these things if we, I dunno already landed on the moon!? If these quotes were taken out of context, I am eager to know what exactly the context was that would get them to say things like that

Which things that were said do you find particularly problematic?

I'm not an expert on the computing power required to get to the moon. If it was enough then, then certainly shouldn't be a problem now. As for the rocket, it's just a matter of building one again. 60 years later I'm sure there would be no problem making one much better and efficient. Just build it

The way the people talk is not something anyone would ever say in this day and age if they believed we conquered going to the moon. Especially if the people suffered no short or long term harm. It is odd.

Even if honest to God we have been to the moon, there is something big they are hiding. That you can be sure of
Who said we don't have the computing power?  As for being sure they were hiding something, I would need to see some evidence.  So far everything, what little there actually is, is, it doesn't look right to me, it doesn't sound right to me, I wouldn't have said it that way, etc.  no actual hard evidence is ever given.
So can I be sure they are hiding something?  No, neither can you, as there is no evidence of it.
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2018, 02:49:36 AM »
Quote from: Shifter on January 12, 2018, 10:39:49 PM
Quote from: Copper Knickers on January 12, 2018, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: Shifter on January 11, 2018, 03:54:44 PM
Quote from: Copper Knickers on January 11, 2018, 03:16:14 PM
Quote from: Shifter on January 11, 2018, 01:31:24 PM
Clearly they are not settled. Perhaps you geniuses could find a way to irrefutably smack down the so called 'nonsense'. Almost 60 years and you cant keep up.

Specifically, what things do you consider not settled?

Landing on the moon is meant to be the pivotal accomplishment of mankind, of our species as a whole. And we did it with computing power that was probably on par with a musical greeting card. Nearly 60 years later and barely a hint that we will ever do it again. I admit, it's a hard task to settle some of questions. We assume a flag would never ripple and wave about like that in a vacuum and low gravity environment, and short of taking someone inside a near perfect vacuum chamber that somehow could replicate low gravity as well, its a tough sell with words alone.

It's not clear what your issue is with the computing power. Do you contend that it would have been inadequate?

And yes, the flag only becomes an 'issue' in the light of incorrect assumptions about how it should behave. Instead of assuming, why not theorise or research?

Quote from: Shifter on January 11, 2018, 03:54:44 PM
So you are always going to have people not buy into it. When was the last time the government actually told you the truth straight up without any bullshit or spin? It's simply not trustworthy or credible. NASA might be a civilian agency but they rely on funding from the government to exist. We know as fallible humans we are motivated by greed and we all 'have our price'

Does the fact that governments don't always tell the truth imply that everything they say is a lie?

Quote from: Shifter on January 11, 2018, 03:54:44 PM
The thing is, in the video above, it's hard to imagine a context they would say these things if we, I dunno already landed on the moon!? If these quotes were taken out of context, I am eager to know what exactly the context was that would get them to say things like that

Which things that were said do you find particularly problematic?

I'm not an expert on the computing power required to get to the moon. If it was enough then, then certainly shouldn't be a problem now. As for the rocket, it's just a matter of building one again. 60 years later I'm sure there would be no problem making one much better and efficient. Just build it

The way the people talk is not something anyone would ever say in this day and age if they believed we conquered going to the moon. Especially if the people suffered no short or long term harm. It is odd.

Even if honest to God we have been to the moon, there is something big they are hiding. That you can be sure of
Have you not been reading my posts? NASA is building a new rocket more powerful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System

There were short term health effects on Apollo astronauts.
Just a few here:

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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2018, 08:08:04 AM »
Quote from: Shifter on January 12, 2018, 10:39:49 PM
I'm not an expert on the computing power required to get to the moon. If it was enough then, then certainly shouldn't be a problem now. As for the rocket, it's just a matter of building one again. 60 years later I'm sure there would be no problem making one much better and efficient. Just build it

The way the people talk is not something anyone would ever say in this day and age if they believed we conquered going to the moon. Especially if the people suffered no short or long term harm. It is odd.

You're right when you suggest that there shouldn't be any technological barriers to going to the moon again. There aren't any. Is anyone claiming that there are?
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2018, 11:55:51 AM »
The people in the video suggest it. Not just for now but since always (in terms of getting people past low earth orbit)

As I said, if these comments were ripped out of context, I'd like to see the full interview. I just can't imagine a context where people would talk like that if we have done something as awesome as land on the moon and come back
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2018, 03:15:05 PM »
Technology was not destroyed. An exception would be the launch tower, launch pad and Saturn-V staged VAB. You kind of need to replace those if you are going to use a different launch vehicle.

The last remains of the launch towers were disposed off in 2004, there were several attempts at preservation but they failed.



But there is loads of Apollo technology at museums, the national archive, the USAF, at NASA and in private hands.
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #65 on: January 13, 2018, 03:18:20 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on January 13, 2018, 11:55:51 AM
The people in the video suggest it. Not just for now but since always (in terms of getting people past low earth orbit)

As I said, if these comments were ripped out of context, I'd like to see the full interview. I just can't imagine a context where people would talk like that if we have done something as awesome as land on the moon and come back
They really don't, that's just how you interpret it. 
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2018, 05:35:27 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on January 13, 2018, 11:55:51 AM
The people in the video suggest it. Not just for now but since always (in terms of getting people past low earth orbit)

As I said, if these comments were ripped out of context, I'd like to see the full interview. I just can't imagine a context where people would talk like that if we have done something as awesome as land on the moon and come back
But where is the real evidence that the Apollo missions were faked?
The thermosphere argument has absolutely no merit - there is virtually nothing in the thermosphere to transfer any heat into a spacecraft.
The Van Allen belt claims fall flat, James Van Allen himself said so and all the objective evidence agrees with that assessment.

All the so-called faked photographic evidence I have seen has been debunked or is an admitted hoax played against the lunar landing deniers. And some still fall for them.

Yes, they could have simulated most of it and they did! They simulated as much as possible on earth as a test-bed and for rehearsal.
Dutchy claims it all went too perfectly to be possible. It went off as well as it did because of all this testing and rehearsal.
Why was the first manned Apollo mission, Apollo 7  on Oct. 11, 1968? It's a long story, but it boiled to there being so many unmanned test flights.
But I doubt that they could have simulated the continuous live broadcast, especially as the signal seen in Sydney, Australia, came mainly from Honey Suckle Creek then from Parkes, and not via the NASA control centre.

So many of the denier's claims fall flat when confronted by the facts.

Subjective claims at this late date from short extracts of what people said don't mean much.
Sure Don Pettit would love to go to the moon and there are radiation hazards in and past the Van Allen Belts to be overcome.
Those hazards were overcome satisfactorily for short duration missions where the trans lunar injection could be arranged to avoid much of the radiation.
But this may not be sufficient for longer missions, especially with modern high performance electronics that is also more susceptible to radiation damage.

Still some people so love their conspiracies that they'll go to any lengths to prop them up - even accusing many thousands of others of lying.
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #67 on: January 13, 2018, 06:49:40 PM »
Technically, there is nothing technology wise that would prevent us from going to the moon (if everything NASA reports is correct, though the radiation belt is a bit interesting).. however, that is relying on reports from NASA, but it makes sense for the most part.

However, you have to look at how people talk about it in NASA..I haven't heard one that speaks with confidence like we have been there before. That is strange to me, very strange. There is also all the anomalies in the video evidence. It is attempted to be explained away, however, many are very shaky attempts at best.

Though, there could be one explanation not touched much...what if we did go there off camera the first time...what if there was actually something there that told us not to come back? Or what if we tried to go multiple times and the people died on the way or something on the moon or a quality about the moon kept killing them?

Maybe we went maybe we didn't, but I can feel confident there is something being hidden or lied about. Too many red flags.
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2018, 07:10:49 PM »
Early Trains Were Thought to Make Women’s uteri Fly Out . . .

http://mentalfloss.com/article/67806/early-trains-were-thought-make-womens-uteruses-fly-out
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2018, 07:41:22 PM »
Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 13, 2018, 07:10:49 PM
Early Trains Were Thought to Make Women’s uteri Fly Out . . .

http://mentalfloss.com/article/67806/early-trains-were-thought-make-womens-uteruses-fly-out

I don't know. The number of hysterectomies has skyrocketed about the time that trains first appeared. Just saying.
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2018, 09:11:37 PM »
Quote from: crutonius on January 13, 2018, 07:41:22 PM
Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 13, 2018, 07:10:49 PM
Early Trains Were Thought to Make Women’s uteri Fly Out . . .

http://mentalfloss.com/article/67806/early-trains-were-thought-make-womens-uteruses-fly-out

I don't know. The number of hysterectomies has skyrocketed about the time that trains first appeared. Just saying.


I don't know. The internet has made some men grow vaginas.  Just sayin'
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #71 on: January 14, 2018, 12:42:41 AM »
Quote from: Babybrain on January 13, 2018, 06:49:40 PM
...but I can feel confident there is something being hidden or lied about. Too many red flags.

That's for sure

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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #72 on: January 14, 2018, 05:00:20 AM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on January 13, 2018, 06:49:40 PM
Technically, there is nothing technology wise that would prevent us from going to the moon (if everything NASA reports is correct, though the radiation belt is a bit interesting).. however, that is relying on reports from NASA, but it makes sense for the most part.

However, you have to look at how people talk about it in NASA..I haven't heard one that speaks with confidence like we have been there before. That is strange to me, very strange. There is also all the anomalies in the video evidence. It is attempted to be explained away, however, many are very shaky attempts at best.

Though, there could be one explanation not touched much...what if we did go there off camera the first time...what if there was actually something there that told us not to come back? Or what if we tried to go multiple times and the people died on the way or something on the moon or a quality about the moon kept killing them?

Maybe we went maybe we didn't, but I can feel confident there is something being hidden or lied about. Too many red flags.
Do explain to me how you could launch a Saturn-V rocket without anyone noticing. Off camera.

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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #73 on: January 14, 2018, 06:30:52 AM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on January 13, 2018, 06:49:40 PM
Technically, there is nothing technology wise that would prevent us from going to the moon (if everything NASA reports is correct, though the radiation belt is a bit interesting).. however, that is relying on reports from NASA, but it makes sense for the most part.

However, you have to look at how people talk about it in NASA..I haven't heard one that speaks with confidence like we have been there before. That is strange to me, very strange. There is also all the anomalies in the video evidence. It is attempted to be explained away, however, many are very shaky attempts at best.

Though, there could be one explanation not touched much...what if we did go there off camera the first time...what if there was actually something there that told us not to come back? Or what if we tried to go multiple times and the people died on the way or something on the moon or a quality about the moon kept killing them?

Maybe we went maybe we didn't, but I can feel confident there is something being hidden or lied about. Too many red flags.
The thing is, there really aren't any red flags.  There is just people who claim that but when asked for evidence everything they present is readily debunked.  Not because of some conspiracy but because there is no actual evidence.
Just think about how many thousands of people would have to be involved in such a conspiracy.  It isn't credible.
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #74 on: January 14, 2018, 09:02:06 AM »
Quote from: rabinoz on January 13, 2018, 05:35:27 PM
The Van Allen belt claims fall flat, James Van Allen himself said so and all the objective evidence agrees with that assessment.

Oh come on Rab, are you seriously suggesting Professor Van Allen knows more about the Van Allen belts than Shifter?!?  You've come out with some crazy stuff before, but this really takes the biscuit.

Has Professor Van Allen even watched a bunch of youtube videos?  If not, I don't see how he could possibly be qualified to comment.
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #75 on: January 14, 2018, 01:23:51 PM »
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on January 14, 2018, 09:02:06 AM
Quote from: rabinoz on January 13, 2018, 05:35:27 PM
The Van Allen belt claims fall flat, James Van Allen himself said so and all the objective evidence agrees with that assessment.

Oh come on Rab, are you seriously suggesting Professor Van Allen knows more about the Van Allen belts than Shifter?!?  You've come out with some crazy stuff before, but this really takes the biscuit.

Has Professor Van Allen even watched a bunch of youtube videos?  If not, I don't see how he could possibly be qualified to comment.

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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2018, 01:40:17 PM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on January 13, 2018, 06:49:40 PM

Though, there could be one explanation not touched much...what if we did go there off camera the first time...what if there was actually something there that told us not to come back? Or what if we tried to go multiple times and the people died on the way or something on the moon or a quality about the moon kept killing them?



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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #77 on: January 16, 2018, 08:28:44 AM »
Quote from: Shifter on January 10, 2018, 02:17:00 PM
This is not a dodgy YouTube nutter...

Yes, he is exactly that... a dodgy YouTube nutter LOL.

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In summary, NASA and astronauts today admit we have not solved the problem of passing the Van Allen radiation belt...

No, NASA has definitely NOT "admitted" this.

Check out this video explaining the science of how NASA coped with the Van Allen belt...



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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #78 on: January 17, 2018, 08:54:10 AM »
Quote from: Boots on January 10, 2018, 06:59:48 PM
Know what I think is funny?

The only reason we know anything about the existence of the Van Allen Belts is because "NASA" told us about them. We're hellbent to believe "NASA" when it suits our agenda, but if what they're saying refutes our agenda they're LIARS.

If "NASA" lies maybe they were lying about the Van Allen Belts to begin with? Problem solved.

"NASA" = All space agencies, rocket scientists, astronomers, astrophysicists etc.
Boots,

Please make sure your posts are honest.

We do not know of the Van Allen Belts because of NASA.
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #79 on: January 17, 2018, 03:46:00 PM »
Quote from: totallackey on January 17, 2018, 08:54:10 AM
Quote from: Boots on January 10, 2018, 06:59:48 PM
Know what I think is funny?

The only reason we know anything about the existence of the Van Allen Belts is because "NASA" told us about them. We're hellbent to believe "NASA" when it suits our agenda, but if what they're saying refutes our agenda they're LIARS.

If "NASA" lies maybe they were lying about the Van Allen Belts to begin with? Problem solved.

"NASA" = All space agencies, rocket scientists, astronomers, astrophysicists etc.
Boots,

Please make sure your posts are honest.

We do not know of the Van Allen Belts because of NASA.

Not so,   we know about about the Van Allen Belts because of various NASA missions.

Explorer 1 which discovered the Van Allen Belts was a NASA Mission with JPL and University of Iowa's Dr Van Allen


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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #80 on: January 17, 2018, 05:44:52 PM »
Quote from: totallackey on January 17, 2018, 08:54:10 AM
Quote from: Boots on January 10, 2018, 06:59:48 PM
Know what I think is funny?

The only reason we know anything about the existence of the Van Allen Belts is because "NASA" told us about them. We're hellbent to believe "NASA" when it suits our agenda, but if what they're saying refutes our agenda they're LIARS.

If "NASA" lies maybe they were lying about the Van Allen Belts to begin with? Problem solved.

"NASA" = All space agencies, rocket scientists, astronomers, astrophysicists etc.
Boots,

Please make sure your posts are honest.

We do not know of the Van Allen Belts because of NASA.

I suggest doing your best to read and comprehend my entire post before making a response. This way you can make informed responses.

Cheers.

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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2018, 12:49:14 AM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on January 13, 2018, 06:49:40 PM
Though, there could be one explanation not touched much...what if we did go there off camera the first time...what if there was actually something there that told us not to come back? Or what if we tried to go multiple times and the people died on the way or something on the moon or a quality about the moon kept killing them?

Maybe we went maybe we didn't, but I can feel confident there is something being hidden or lied about. Too many red flags.

You hit the shill button lol.
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Re: NASA admits we never went to the moon
« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2018, 01:00:31 AM »
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