Orbital Mechanics

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Re: Orbital Mechanics
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2018, 03:01:32 PM »
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It doesn't specifically say there is one.
Sorry.
You think these lecture notes.
Meant specifically to teach people about the topic.
Asked "What is the error in this equation?"
And there wasn't one?

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I couldn't find one, which is what I've said all along.
Well, yes, that's the entire point. You know that there is an error in that specific equation, the writer admits it, and you can't see it.
So why do you trust your judgement when it comes to the rest?


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I'm just trying to get a direct answer.
You get it, it's just not the one you want. Instead of assuming I'm evading, ACTUALLY READ WHAT I'M TELLING YOU.
I do read it.  You dance around direct questions.

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Re: Orbital Mechanics
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2018, 03:04:06 PM »
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I do read it.  You dance around direct questions.
No, I just don't give the answers you want.
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Re: Orbital Mechanics
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2018, 03:07:16 PM »
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I do read it.  You dance around direct questions.
No, I just don't give the answers you want.
Ok, perhaps I missed it.  Can you please show where you gave a direct answer?
Where did you point out exactly what was wrong with the equation?  Where did you say specifically what would cause friction on the car?

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Re: Orbital Mechanics
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2018, 03:10:02 PM »
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Ok, perhaps I missed it.  Can you please show where you gave a direct answer?
Where did you point out exactly what was wrong with the equation?  Where did you say specifically what would cause friction on the car?
I proved that there was a problem in the equation, which is all I sought to prove as it demonstrates my point just fine, and that is a discussion for the other thread so stop derailing.

You just want me to be making a different argument. I am not. Complaining I'm making this one instead is plain dishonesty.

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Show us exactly what is wrong with equation (2-13) and then what you think it should be! 
Same goes for you. I don't need to, I've shown that there is an error and you were too blind to actually notice it, which makes the whole discussion moot.
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Re: Orbital Mechanics
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2018, 03:28:37 PM »
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It doesn't specifically say there is one.
Sorry.
You think these lecture notes.
Meant specifically to teach people about the topic.
Asked "What is the error in this equation?"
And there wasn't one?

It doesn't ask "What is the error in this equation?"

It says "Find a mistake in equation (2-13)" not "find the mistake" there is a difference.

What better way to get students to tear into and understand a complicated equation than challenge them to find a mistake in it? The correct response to Problem 2-2 could well be "there isn't one", but you'd be taking your chances saying that without at least some understanding of it.

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I couldn't find one, which is what I've said all along.
Well, yes, that's the entire point. You know that there is an error in that specific equation, the writer admits it, and you can't see it.

No, I don't, and no, he doesn't. You're just jumping to a conclusion, that's all.

He could have said "There is a mistake in equation (2-13). Can you find it?" But he doesn't. Why not?

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So why do you trust your judgement when it comes to the rest?

Because orbital mechanics makes excellent predictions, so it's reasonable to judge that it's based on facts.

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I'm just trying to get a direct answer.
You get it, it's just not the one you want. Instead of assuming I'm evading, ACTUALLY READ WHAT I'M TELLING YOU.

You're telling us you jumped to a conclusion because you interpreted something in a way you wanted it to say, not what it said. This is evident by the way you consistently paraphrase the challenge incorrectly.
 
You still haven't confirmed that there is an error. Do you admit that you haven't found one, so can't know for sure if there is one in there or not?
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Re: Orbital Mechanics
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2018, 03:40:49 PM »
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Ok, perhaps I missed it.  Can you please show where you gave a direct answer?
Where did you point out exactly what was wrong with the equation?  Where did you say specifically what would cause friction on the car?
I proved that there was a problem in the equation

No, you found a suggestion that there might be one.

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which is all I sought to prove as it demonstrates my point just fine

And in the process you demonstrated very clearly that you read statements based on what you want them to say rather than on what they actually say.

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You just want me to be making a different argument. I am not. Complaining I'm making this one instead is plain dishonesty.

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Show us exactly what is wrong with equation (2-13) and then what you think it should be! 
Same goes for you. I don't need to, I've shown that there is an error and you were too blind to actually notice it, which makes the whole discussion moot.

No. You've shown why you assumed there was an error and unequivocally stated there was one.

You can still salvage your position (sort of) by finding an error in there. Hop to it, and may the odds be ever in your favor!
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Re: Orbital Mechanics
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2018, 04:00:19 PM »
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Ok, perhaps I missed it.  Can you please show where you gave a direct answer?
Where did you point out exactly what was wrong with the equation?  Where did you say specifically what would cause friction on the car?
I proved that there was a problem in the equation, which is all I sought to prove as it demonstrates my point just fine, and that is a discussion for the other thread so stop derailing.

You just want me to be making a different argument. I am not. Complaining I'm making this one instead is plain dishonesty.

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Show us exactly what is wrong with equation (2-13) and then what you think it should be! 
Same goes for you. I don't need to, I've shown that there is an error and you were too blind to actually notice it, which makes the whole discussion moot.
No you claimed to have found an error.  We just asked you to show what was wrong.

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Re: Orbital Mechanics
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2018, 04:02:35 PM »
I don't need to, I've shown that there is an error and you were too blind to actually notice it, which makes the whole discussion moot.
But you don't know what the mistake is either, so don't get smug.
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Re: Orbital Mechanics
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2018, 03:36:50 PM »
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Ok, perhaps I missed it.  Can you please show where you gave a direct answer?
Where did you point out exactly what was wrong with the equation?  Where did you say specifically what would cause friction on the car?
I proved that there was a problem in the equation, which is all I sought to prove as it demonstrates my point just fine, and that is a discussion for the other thread so stop derailing.

You just want me to be making a different argument. I am not. Complaining I'm making this one instead is plain dishonesty.

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Show us exactly what is wrong with equation (2-13) and then what you think it should be! 
Same goes for you. I don't need to, I've shown that there is an error and you were too blind to actually notice it, which makes the whole discussion moot.
You proved nothing, you just read it the same as anyone else.
I’m asking you what the mistake is and you avoid answering the question as you know nothing about the subject.
Nothing ever changes...your asked questions...you avoid them!