Is gravity weak force or strong force

Quote from: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 03:16:41 PM

Okay smarty pants, if 'regular' matter only comprises about 5% of our universe, and most of that being hydrogen, where is the rest of the 95%?

According to you in everything we have seen of our solar system and beyond so far, the dark matter/energy only occupies an infinitesimally small fraction of it. So where is it hiding that makes up 95%? Is there some dark corner God swept it all to? NO. It is everywhere, even in what you would think is a 'void'.

Dark matter and energy are still only hypotheses, but assuming they are proven.

Yes, they are everywhere are not hiding or tucked in a corner and are more dense around galaxies, but matter is so sparse in the Universe that the density of dark matter and energy around ordinary matter is exceedingly low.

I can prove it, but I wouldn't necessarily call it 'dark matter/energy', but from your point of view in might be apt because you cant see it.

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That's how most of the universe is made up on it. The 3 dimensions you occupy are a very narrow perspective on the universe. There is so much more to see

Maybe there are more dimensions, but they are not needed to explain the low density of dark matter and energy.

It's not a maybe

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Even you could witness proof of extra dimensions. What you call 'virtual particles' that 'pop' in and out of existence seemingly breaking the laws of physics is actually matter in another dimension or layer of space that we cant physically interact with. Imagine a 2D flat lander and moving a 3D sphere over him. He would see the same thing that we see when we witness 'virtual particles'.

Sure, but that is totally irrelevant to any debate on why dark matter and energy don't affect us within the solar system.

It's perfectly relevant. Its the reason you cant 'see' the dark matter/energy and it is these that play a leading role for what you term 'gravity'

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If you just opened your mind to the possibilities, you too could learn and evolve. But hey, its your life. If you like it in the dark, that's not my problem

I'm not closing my mind, just trying to open yours to some simple explanations.

It looks closed from what I know to be true

The average mass density of the Universe is unbelievably low:

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What is the Universe Made Of?
WMAP determined that the universe is flat, from which it follows that the mean energy density in the universe is equal to the critical density (within a 0.5% margin of error). This is equivalent to a mass density of 9.9 x 10^-30 g/cm³, which is equivalent to only 5.9 protons per cubic meter.

See: What is the Universe Made Of?

You might read: Gravity, Dark Matter in the Solar System: Does it Matter?, which contains:

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In fact the authors note that the aggregate dark matter within Saturn’s orbit should be less than 1/6th of 1 billionth of the Sun’s mass, which is 2 x 10²⁷ metric tons. We’re talking at most 3 x 10¹⁷ metric tons, which is a lot, but not in Solar system terms. The mass of the Moon is 7 x 10¹⁹ metric tons, so this is an amount over 200 times smaller than the Moon’s mass spread out over the volume within Saturn’s orbit.

But you always have to go for the over-complicated extra-dimensional "solutions" that are simply not needed.

It's not being measured correctly. How to you measure something that does not exist in your dimensional space? You can speculate but I'm telling you guys, that you are way off.

It's not being measured correctly. How to you measure something that does not exist in your dimensional space? You can speculate but I'm telling you guys, that you are way off.

Who has a closed mind again? 
You seem to have a totally closed mind when you claim with such certainty things like:
"I can prove it, but I wouldn't necessarily call it 'dark matter/energy' ",
"and it is these that play a leading role for what you term 'gravity' ",
"It looks closed from what I know to be true",
"It's not being measured correctly",
"something that does not exist in your dimensional space" and
"I'm telling you guys, that you are way off."

You are the one that seems so totally sure that you and you alone know all the truth and that to me is a sure sign of a totally closed mind.

My mind is open and is as vast as the universe. Your mind is closed and only the size of your own skull.

My mind is open and is as vast as the universe. Your mind is closed and only the size of your own skull.

Sometimes I think that someone claiming a totally "open mind" has a mind so open that everything of substance has fled leaving only nebulous dross.

So just where is the source of all this vast knowledge that does not seem accessible to us mere mortals?

Quote from: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 08:49:08 PM

My mind is open and is as vast as the universe. Your mind is closed and only the size of your own skull.

Sometimes I think that someone claiming a totally "open mind" has a mind so open that everything of substance has fled leaving only nebulous dross.

So just where is the source of all this vast knowledge that does not seem accessible to us mere mortals?

Knowledge is the source.

Knowledge is the source.

As I said a Smart Aleck! Pretending to know all the secrets of the Universe.

In other words, you are nothing but a bag of hot air, making your own guesses like 3 or 4 others I could name.

Thought so!

At what temperature do you consider air to be hot? On the scale of absolute cold to absolute hot I don't know if I've encountered air that would be anywhere near the absolute hot end of the spectrum

At what temperature do you consider air to be hot?

On the scale of absolute cold to absolute hot I don't know if I've encountered air that would be anywhere near the absolute hot end of the spectrum.

Well, there is no "absolute hot", though I guess you could say that it's no longer air when it reaches the plasma state.
Though plasma temperature depends a lot on pressure, but I would say that at 28,000K air is no longer "air".

So, I'll agree the hot air you are full of is not very hot on an absolute scale,
Just like you idiotic claim, SHIFTER, DEFEATER OF JACKBLACK. Yes, I know someone else has a similar signature and I don't think much better of that.

Capiche, go the message?

Absolute hot is 1.417×10^32 kelvins, or around 142 nonillion kelvins

Can you say unequivocally that the temperature of air coming out of my mouth is noticeably hotter than the temperature of air coming out of your mouth?

Absolute hot is 1.417×10^32 kelvins, or around 142 nonillion kelvins

Can you say unequivocally that the temperature of air coming out of my mouth is noticeably hotter than the temperature of air coming out of your mouth?

It has been said that the eminations from your ass can strip paint, is this the case?

Quote from: Shifter on February 07, 2018, 10:32:35 PM

Absolute hot is 1.417×10^32 kelvins, or around 142 nonillion kelvins

Can you say unequivocally that the temperature of air coming out of my mouth is noticeably hotter than the temperature of air coming out of your mouth?

It has been said that the eminations from your ass can strip paint, is this the case?

On occasion, probably. Haven't measured my emanations or tested its paint stripping abilities. So I cant confirm or deny whether or not its true. Might also depend on what I've had to eat. Regardless, it's certainly not good for the paint though

Absolute hot is 1.417×10^32 kelvins, or around 142 nonillion kelvins

I doubt that your hot air quite reaches that temperature - I'd call that real burny hot and a bit more.

Can you say unequivocally that the temperature of air coming out of my mouth is noticeably hotter than the temperature of air coming out of your mouth?

No, but it is a figure of speech that implies that the density of useful information contained in the person involved is equivalent to the density of air at 1.417×10³² kelvins.
Though I might be exaggerating just a little, and really I don't doubt that you are actually quite smart and knowledgeable.

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Mass A inflicts force on mass B, and mass B inflicts force on mass A.
Those are equal in intensity and opposite in direction

First of all none of masses (A or B) should move if the net force is zero -  What do you think about the following

Before you go any further, please understand this:

Force on A doesn't cancel force on B. To cancel force on B, you need second opposite force on B.
Force on B doesn't cancel force on A. To cancel force on A, you need second opposite force on A.

Masses A and B keep attracting each other.