They Don't Dare to Prove "North Pole"

If you're already sure about South Pole by real circumnavigating, why not try north pole.

Before Phew FE model born, everybody takes for granted that north pole is a true pole.

What if its circumference is infinite?
Or for the known area (affected by sunlight) it's probably 80,000 km ?

Who dare? Who dare?

Infinite or limited (huge one) or 80,000 km or just pole, why not try to prove it?
Or....

The North Pole is not and has never been thought to be a pole. It cannot be circumnavigated because IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ARCTIC OCEAN even if it is most times covered in ice.

It is in the middle of the Arctic Ocean amid waters that are almost permanently covered with constantly shifting sea ice. This makes it impractical to construct a permanent station at the North Pole (unlike the South Pole)

The North Pole is not and has never been thought to be a pole. It cannot be circumnavigated because IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ARCTIC OCEAN even if it is most times covered in ice.

It is in the middle of the Arctic Ocean amid waters that are almost permanently covered with constantly shifting sea ice. This makes it impractical to construct a permanent station at the North Pole (unlike the South Pole)

Why not by flight?

Been done.  Many many times. 
What are you truly asking?

At what distance from the North axial pole are you wanting this circumnavgation? 

Are you just setting up arguments from incredulity?  Pretty obviously seems so. 

What is your claim Here?

What is your claim Here?

Some guru on yootoob said it's so therefore it must be so.

Also, he can't understand it, so it cannot exist

Been done.  Many many times. 
What are you truly asking?

At what distance from the North axial pole are you wanting this circumnavgation? 

Are you just setting up arguments from incredulity?  Pretty obviously seems so. 

What is your claim Here?

Go along north of Canada, to entire north of Russia, to north of Norway/Finland, to Iceland, to Greenland, and finally get back to Canada.

I bet nobody has done this or if any, they didn't share the report to the public.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are regular commercial flights over the North Pole.

https://www.cntraveler.com/story/why-airplanes-sometimes-fly-over-the-north-pole

Measuring with Google Earth, the flight distance is eight thousand miles and change, which is fine because the flight takes 16 hours, and goes over the Arctic.

Looking at the southern azimuthal projection map, I'd guesstimate the shortest flight distance from Hong Kong to New York to be about double that.  Which means NOPE.

So either Cathay Pacific is doing the impossible, or ... your view of the world is wrong.

And given that they make these flights on a regular basis, I'm gonna go with 'your view is wrong'.  Sorry.

If you're already sure about South Pole by real circumnavigating, why not try north pole.

Before Phew FE model born, everybody takes for granted that north pole is a true pole.

Yes, because a lot of people leave in northern latitudes and can easily observe things like Polaris and take flights which take them quite close to the north pole.
That is why most FE maps are north pole centred.

You live in the south and thus you want a south pole centred one.

In reality, both poles are real and both FE models are wrong.

Quote from: Mikey T. on February 07, 2018, 07:35:06 AM

What is your claim Here?

Some guru on yootoob said it's so therefore it must be so.

Also, he can't understand it, so it cannot exist

Youtube? We call it "Yutup" ~

Phew FE map is still a baby, under construction. You cannot expect it to explain anything. Instead it is cute and can get along with any fundamental human sense coz it has firm logic regardless the details is not available yet. The more you get in touch with reality, the more you'll see its realibility to explain the universe.

@ack1308

That's not circumnavigating the north pole as I mentioned before.

From northern most scandinavian countries, Airplanes goes to north America via German or Paris.

Haa ~

Phew FE map is still a baby, under construction. You cannot expect it to explain anything. Instead it is cute and can get along with any fundamental human sense coz it has firm logic regardless the details is not available yet. The more you get in touch with reality, the more you'll see its realibility to explain the universe.

If it can't explain anything it will be dismissed.

It spits in the face of fundamental human sense and it rejects logic.

The simple fact is that Earth has 2 poles, a north pole and a south pole, and these are always 180 degrees apart.
That is simply impossible on any flat surface where you can move around the poles.

From northern most scandinavian countries, Airplanes goes to north America via German or Paris.

We have already shown this to be a lie.

@ack1308

That's not circumnavigating the north pole as I mentioned before.

It doesn't need to be.  It's flying over the Arctic.  Look at your southern azimuthal map.  Actually look at it.  A plane that flies over the Arctic flies over land, then ice, then land, then ends up where it was going.  Flying from New York to Hong Kong via the Southern Azimuthal map flies over ocean, then more ocean, then more ocean, then crashes because it ran out of fuel.

The globe view (note distance travelled):


Southern Azimuthal Map shortest flight distance:

Presuming the continents are to scale, that flight distance is in the region of 17,000 miles.  This means that a) the plane has to carry more fuel than is physically possible, and b) that even if it gets there, it has to break the sound barrier (17,000 miles in 16 hours, remember). 
Cathay Pacific flies the Boeing 777-200LR, which has a top speed of 587 mph and has a rated range of 8,555 miles (the Guinness World Record for a passenger jet is 13,000 miles, which is still short of the 17,000 miles that you'd need).
And just by the way, it's a non-stop flight.  No landing to refuel.

Phew FE map is still a baby, under construction. You cannot expect it to explain anything. Instead it is cute and can get along with any fundamental human sense coz it has firm logic regardless the details is not available yet. The more you get in touch with reality, the more you'll see its realibility to explain the universe.

So show us.  Actual scientific theories only get stronger by being exposed to critiques.

Critiques are most welcome. Perhaps we then can look new reality so the model can get better presented with new modifications WITHOUT abandoning the original idea of Flat Earth & South Centered Orientation for map, sun path etc.

So far: There is no single verified Phew FE map yet. We wouldn't copy informations from the globe map.
So many suspicious things going on within the globe map. The distance, real positions, scale, assumption of latitude & altitude lines.
You can find the difference if the map grids get changed into curved lines.
In short, there are many obstacles before Phew FE map is ready to use.

For the time being, we only enjoy how firm Phew logics are. If it seemed not logical in some issue, this is what makes me take a another new issue to consider, either in enriching our map & theories, or revealing how faulty the arguments against Phew FE were.

There have been very limited access to see the real whole earth. Only very very few people know the real earth shape n map by real evidence.
But what they give is only CGI, fake 'real time' broadcasting, or such.
This is the current science-geopolitics.

Critiques are most welcome.

Bullshit.
You ignore them or dismiss them.
You have been completely unable to provide any rational defence to your numerous claims, with the exception of showing the NP centred FE map is wrong based upon the southern hemisphere.

Perhaps we then can look new reality so the model can get better presented with new modifications WITHOUT abandoning the original idea of Flat Earth & South Centered Orientation for map, sun path etc.

You would need a new reality for that, as the idea of a flat Earth is incompatible with this reality.
You have 2 poles a finite distance apart which are always 180 degrees apart from any observer on the surface of Earth.
This is physically impossible on a flat surface.

As such, you cannot have a model which matches reality without abandoning the idea of a Flat Earth.

So far: There is no single verified Phew FE map yet.

Yes, as it completely fails in the north due to the absence of a north pole.

We wouldn't copy informations from the globe map.

Yes, as that would just show that Earth is round and you are pretending.

So many suspicious things going on within the globe map.

Yet you have been completely unable to show any problem with it.

In short, there are many obstacles before Phew FE map is ready to use.

As it still completely fails in the north it is not ready to be used for any serious purpose.

For the time being, we only enjoy how firm Phew logics are.

It is not logical in the slightest.

If it seemed not logical in some issue, this is what makes me take a another new issue to consider,

i.e. if there is a massive problem with it, you just try and move on to a different topic and ignore that massive problem?
That isn't logical in the slightest.

There have been very limited access to see the real whole earth. Only very very few people know the real earth shape n map by real evidence.
But what they give is only CGI, fake 'real time' broadcasting, or such.
This is the current science-geopolitics.

Plenty of people know the real shape, based upon real evidence.
Pictures are not the only form of evidence.
The mere existence of the horizon is evidence that Earth is round.

I frequently said that to reach super high speed for an airplane is an easy thing. Just go steady with gas storing. Acceleration will result much much more speed within a short time.
I cannot easily accept official information about anything, including "speed record" for an air plane. I haven't proven it right, at least by logic.

Setting a super high speed on air medium is a piece of cake. If it's limited, the limit is at high rate of speed or... who knows there are false designs in aircrafts. Either deliberately or not. Airplane is not a land vehicle.

Theories should not be taken for granted, more over when we know "who" gave the theories thru schools.
Schools are indoctrination agents. Admit it.

I frequently said that to reach super high speed for an airplane is an easy thing.

Yes, you frequently say lots of bullshit.
But you are unable to prove any of it.

But funny how you try and use flight times in the south to prove the north centred map wrong yet reject the same method for proving your map wrong.

I cannot easily accept official information about anything

Yes, because it would show you to be full of shit.

Schools are indoctrination agents. Admit it.

Why would I admit your paranoid delusions?

I frequently said that to reach super high speed for an airplane is an easy thing. Just go steady with gas storing. Acceleration will result much much more speed within a short time.
I cannot easily accept official information about anything, including "speed record" for an air plane. I haven't proven it right, at least by logic.

Setting a super high speed on air medium is a piece of cake. If it's limited, the limit is at high rate of speed or... who knows there are false designs in aircrafts. Either deliberately or not. Airplane is not a land vehicle.

Theories should not be taken for granted, more over when we know "who" gave the theories thru schools.
Schools are indoctrination agents. Admit it.

Only if you ignore friction.  thank you for proving you have no clue what you're talking about.

thank you

You're welcome

Quote from: frenat on February 08, 2018, 03:12:57 PM

thank you

You're welcome

How sad for you that you have to cherry-pick comments.

The thing is, I believe in the sun. Its speed, I meant.

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